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CA: City sues over election partly decided by sex offenders at state hospital

Coalinga City Council is suing Fresno County to overturn an election decided partly by the sex offenders in a state hospital.

Voters rejected a penny sales tax increase by just 37 votes in November. 127 of those ‘no’ votes came from inside the walls of Coalinga State Hospital, where some of the state’s sex offenders are actually legal voters. Full Article

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Coalinga State Hospital Report I spoke with Mike St. Martin, a CSH “Hosprisoner” locked-in California’s sex offender treatment program, and for more than a decade AFTER serving his prison term, this evening. He told me that the City of Coalinga is suing Fresno County for allowing Detainees to register to vote as Coalinga residents. It seems that Coalinga had a measure on the November election ballot to raise sales taxes by one percent to help pay for police, etc. but that the measure lost by thirty-seven votes. The problem? There were well over one hundred votes cast against the measure… Read more »

Have you ever heard “give them enough rope they will hang themselves”? Slowly but surely they will add enough consequences and violate our rights enough that eventually they will paint themselves into a corner. They will have no choice but to admit that SOR is retribution and ongoing punishment. When that happens the courts will have no choice other than side with us. Public opinion will not matter. Judges are legally mandated to decide on the side of what is legal. I’m getting the popcorn…

Don’t forget the drinks. This is going to be an interesting year in 2018.
Now, as the residents at Coalinga go, do they not get their mail there? I am sure that it would be sufficient proof of residency.

Oh what a tangled web they weave…..
So the city annexed the hospital for tax revenues then it bites the police state benefactors in the hand.
Locked up is locked up, hospital or jail same same. Just do not go claiming it is NOT. Retributive punishing. The deception is fading quickly. BTW I saw Justice Souter on a PBS broadcasts state he made the wrong choice in Kansas v Hendricks. He now recognized civil commitment as punishment.

Tim, thanks for mentioning that it was the city of Coalinga that annexed the hospital grounds in the first place in order to collect taxes, including sales taxes on items which the Hosprisoners pay in the first place. I had forgotten to include that point. Also, that David Souter quote is gold. I had not heard that. Thanks!

I have no doubt that ACSOL will take a very close look at any attempt to suppress the rights of the involuntarily restrained citizens, as such a move will undoubtedly reflect elsewhere in the country.

Eric, I hope you’re right. They need all of the support they can get. This is a very big issue for us, I would say. It communicates volumes about the intent of these “regulatory” civil commitment laws and how we are supposed to be regarded (in society’s estimation) when we are off-paper. They simply cannot distinguish between the two conditions.

This statement is in response to Coalinga City Mayor Nathan Vosberg’s public comments regarding several issues related to the defeat of the City of Coalinga’s efforts for a tax increase, and the roll that the Patients of Coalinga State Hospital played in that defeat. I will be addressing several issues in response to Mayor Vosberg’s ignorant and uniformed statements that he made to the public via the press on December 27, 2017 and the Councils frivolous lawsuit regarding that election defeat. The first thing I would like to address is Mr. Vosberg’s public medical diagnosis, without a medical license of… Read more »

By the way. An addendum to my comment above. If anyone wishes to contact me regarding this issue or any other issue, please feel free to contact me at (559) 934-1228. I am starting my 22nd year under this criminal law, so I might have some opinions (lol) or insight. Thanks for caring.

When Mike St. Martin tried to register to vote in San Diego County, the county of his commitment, he was told that he would not be able to do so because he didn’t actually live there. To me, when combined with the fact that CSH internees retain their voting rights, that is all that is needed to know that the Coalinga City lawsuit is completely invalid. As for fire services at CSH, it seems that the only service they provide to “hosprisoners” is to constantly harass them through the constant invocation of “fire codes” in order to seize their few… Read more »

David, everything St. Martin told you is true. To expound on my comment, when patients arrive at CSH, part of the admitting process is that each person must sign the Sex Offender Registration form that CSH fills out for purposes of registering each person’s residence as Fresno County and/or the City of Coalinga. The lawsuit will not prevail. There is a hearing on the lawsuit on April 16, 2018. I am in the process of finding a lawyer to represent us at this hearing, as I already know that CSH will not voluntarily transport any patient to the hearing. If… Read more »

I am curious if these so-called sex offenders are required to register as sex offenders because they are locked up inside a facility. Officials do not want to call this a prison but that is exactly what it is. And the sad thing about it is whether they are registered as sex offenders or not there are not any prison so why are they being blocked or having their votes not counted? So here’s the deal: if State officials keep calling a hospital but they treat it like a prison eventually it will become legally declared a prison because of… Read more »

Nicholas, the hosprisoners are all registered as sex offenders in the city of Coalinga in Fresno County. This suggests not only that they “live” in Coalinga but that they are distinct from those in prison who are not registered in the county of their imprisonment.

I would add that if they list only CSH for SOR purposes, it means one of two things. Either it’s their correct, current, and *sole* address; or they are all in violation for FTR their “other” addresses. Does the City really want to admit they are actively aiding and abetting a massive FTR scheme? 🙂

I still maintain that what’s lost in this whole argument is the mass of voters who simply didn’t care. To go after the responsible voters at CSH fails to address the problem: low voter turnout.

Our Constitution does say, “Only the pure, undefiled, and self-righteous shall be allowed to vote,” Right?

That would mean that NO ONE can vote as every person has sinned.

Also, it’s pretty obvious from the results were getting that there is no minimum I.Q. requirement, either.

Yeah, now they want Oprah for president?

I’ve never been in one of these so called “hospitals” (and never plan to be). But I’m going to guess that Coalinga is as much a “hospital” as Sharper Future is “treatment.” The amount of doublespeak in the “sex offender” industry is troubling, but at the same time also somewhat amusing.

You’re absolutely correct. I could go on for hours about “sex offender civil commitment” (and I have, over the years) and would encourage everyone to look into it further. They are, in most cases, no different from us but even more unlucky. That they are damned with the term “sexually violent predator,” even when there is no hint of violence in their past, is an enormous injustice.

I’ve always said these laws need to be fought for Campaigning and Election reasons.

Hey Tim, do you happen to have a link to the following?
BTW I saw Justice Souter on a PBS broadcasts state he made the wrong choice in Kansas v Hendricks. He now recognized civil commitment as punishment.
Yeah I can’t seem to find it….

This should be simple. Go to the Megan’s website and see if the residents there use that as a (Temporarily or Permanent) address. I’m sure you’ll find it to be Permanent. Case settled!

This story made my day! Too, too funny. The city chose to annex the facility, but only wants the benefits of doing so. Given SCOTUS has decided civil commitment is still freedom (riiight…ok, Mr. Justice, you give a go for a week and let me know if you still feel that way!), and given they are not on parole, and further given they have but one residence in the State of California (validated by IDs and/or bills, I’m sure), where exactly will the City argue they should vote other than “not here”? I see the City losing on this, maybe… Read more »

@ AJ ,,,,, ,, your right its funny as hell , they seem to be trying to have there cake , hahaha! love it , and they don’t know that other people did not vote against a rise in sales tax , I mean real people that have to stand at a check out counter in CA , and feel the wallet pain would be like hell no LE you need to spread your hustle fool ! hahaha ! and to get it from the very people that they jam up out on the street is just wrong ! how… Read more »

Somehow I suspect voter turnout at the Coalinga facility is going to spike. 🙂 What better way to exercise what few true freedoms they have than through the ballot box?

Can we say “Another WIN for RC?”

I get that if the inmates (patients) voted for the tax, there would be no issue.

Hahahahahaha!!!! , of course they will snivel over there stupid ass LE , hahaha ! well all I can say about this is Vote your ass’s off , everything against LE and anything they are trying to do , good pay back for all their lying , and hell yes I would love to see Janice and team get in the middle of this as well , if any of these people are getting mail , and have no home , Guess what ? IT IS THERE HOME ! hahaha ! but vote ! vote ! vote ! stupid ass… Read more »

If they can vote they should start a law suit to be able to run for office.

Listen to this talk radio segment on CSH and their voting rights and get mad all over again. Mike St. Martin is one of the callers into the show.

http://www.kmjnow.com/podcasts/

Wow, so many elements of their arguments to shred….sometimes they made some sense, other times they were so far off it was maddening. Some observations: 1. The DJs claim CSH is its own precinct. If so, then the city has validated it as a voting bloc. But then it makes me wonder, who is representing that precinct on the City Council? 2. For their lives, they couldn’t stop calling them “prisoners”…hmm, isn’t that strange how the public sees it for what it is? Kind of like ML. 3. What if CSH were instead a college? Would the City still claim… Read more »

Here’s the link to Coalinga Zoning Map.
http://www.coalinga.com/uploads/1480463159_Official_Zoning_Map.pdf

I would also point out that legislators who keep writing more and more SO laws for the sake of getting votes will eventually be bitten by the very voters they covet as their proposals get more and more draconian and more and more friends and family members of registrants are affected by them. Perhaps if the friends and family members gather in opposition to those proposals and protest them at city hall or the state capital, maybe some of those idiots will rethink their positions. Probably not, but worth a try. If nothing else, those legislators will learn the extent… Read more »

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