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International Travel 2019

We have updated our main International Travel section. It features:

  1. List of Schengen Nations (allowing entry to registrants);
  2. Resources (including a CA DOJ Travel Notification Form); and
  3. User Submitted Travel Reports.

This post is linked from the Main Menu at the top of the site.

1. The 26 Schengen Nations (which allow registrants to visit)

As an agreement, Schengen was signed among the five out of ten countries of the European Union members back then, on the 14th June 1985. Under the Schengen agreement, travelling from one Schengen country to another is done without any passport and immigration controls or any other formalities previously required.

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Note: US Citizens are visa exempt when visiting the Schengen area for up to 90 days in a 180 day period (List of Countries, Section B or map).  The European Commission is proposing creating a European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) for such travelers, beginning in 2021 – which may or may not take criminal convictions into account. ETIAS Fact Sheet April 2018July 2018

2. Resources

3. NEW: User Submitted Travel Reports

If you have traveled internationally post-IML we invite you to share your travel experience on the form below. Submissions will be published as a separate post with opportunity for targeted / country specific discussion.

If you have already filled out our previous (unpublished) travel form, please do so again here for publication.

Report your Travel Experience:

International Travel

Personal Info

for follow-up info or answers in comments. Your regular user name or other.
for possible follow-up - not published

Registration Info

Currently Registered *
Listed on Public Website

Travel Info

Entry was *


Visa Required *
Visa Granted

Advance Notice

Adv. Notice Provided *
Req. by State Law *
how, when, where, etc

Offense Info

Offense Level *
Conv. expunged *
Offense inv Minor *
Passport Identifier *

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  1. Harry

    This MIL thing should of not got this far. This needs to go back court and put a stop to it.

    • Ron s

      Even more shocking is that a president who prides himself as a Comstituional expert signed it into law with zero hesitation.

    • 🇺🇸 Nicholas Maietta 🇺🇸

      You mean like to a Federal court like the one in Oakland in 2016 where a Judge said that anyone who travels to Thailand is traveling for child sex tourism? Yeah, I actually witnessed a federal judge say this. The collective gasp of disbelief from the people in the courtroom was audible.

      That Judge didn’t care about the facts. It was very clear she was fixated on a certain outcome. And there in lies one of the major problems with the courts. It is political suicide to support the rights of all Americans if those Americans include those previously convicted of a sex offense.

    • Brian

      Unfortunately since the genie is out of the bottle it’s going to be VERY hard to put back in. IMHO the whole IML is being strong-armed into place by our insane government, and even IF it can be backtracked, it’s part of treaties which then would have to be renegotiated.

  2. C

    Thank you for sharing this valuable information. It’s too bad that I might never see the motherlands of my ancestor’s, but glad that I can visit those nations I’m most interested in seeing. According to the post, however, I’d better do it quickly!

    “The European Commission is proposing creating a European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) for such travelers, beginning in 2021 – which may or may not take criminal convictions into account.”

  3. Anonymous

    Rename IML to “Operation Karma”

  4. Ali

    I am planning to travel international while im on the registry and probation in Texas… If get a round trip ticket to Europe which allows entry, then get a separate plane ticket to a country that has a risk of turning people away like Thailand. Do I still have to report SORNA all my travel details?

    I want to know if I am breaking “SORNA” rules if I am already in a foreign country (21 day in advanced) and I decided to travel to different countries in between.

    What would be really helpful is listing all the Notifications systems that the agency uses such as Interpol that is accessible to UK, Europe, Africa unions.

    Once you are in the system, then they already know and can turn you away because of SORNA/DHS/ICE…

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Ali, “If get a round trip ticket to Europe which allows entry, then get a separate plane ticket to a country that has a risk of turning people away like Thailand. ” Sorry, that won’t do at all. You will be failing to report your travels to Thailand to the U.S. Also, you should count on Thailand turning you away into the bargain. The “Angel Watch” notices are not the whole of it and Thailand will probably be able to see that you have a criminal record as a result of scanning your passport. Even if you were to get into Thailand you would then have a stamp on your passport for a Thailand entry which could then get you into hot water on your return.

      • NY won’t let go

        Thailand doesn’t have access to the US criminal database. The only ones that have that are Japan and the UK I believe through an agreement with the US. So unless Interpol/angel watch put out a notice, or you have a criminal record in Thailand nothing will come up except your biometric data when you scan your passport.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          And you know that how? INTERPOL has made criminal sex offenses part of their ambit. If immigration in any country that is part of their network (and that includes Thailand) checks that database, then they will have records of such convictions.

        • Relief

          @Notorious DIK: Yes, INTERPOL does seem quite Zealous on sex offenses, however, it still seems they are more a multinational repository on Notices rather then investigative (for Intl travelers). Intl travel is not specifically flagged for all sex offenses against minors, but rather those offenders still currently required to register per USMS, CBP, Angel Watch, etc. whose current status may not be in a ‘criminal database’. (This may be why an active notice needs to be sent, except five eyes?)
          However, the Green Notices do stay ‘active’ within INTERPOL for 5 years and are attached to Name and Passport number, so it is curious, for persons like “NY won’t let go” who had at one point a “Green Notice” but has subsequently traveled to an Asian country known for turning away those with these alerts but was allowed to enter?
          Wonder why that Green Notice did not pop up at Immigration of the traveled country?
          Any ideas?

        • David

          @ Relief and @ Notorious DIK: Last September, I was met by the French police when my plane landed in Paris. I wrote to Interpol to request any documentation they had about me that might explain why this occurred. In my letter to Interpol, I specifically noted the information about me may have been sent as a “green notice” from Angel Watch, U.S.Dept. of Homeland Security or U.S. Dept. of State. Interpol wrote me back stating that I did not appear in any of their records or documentation. They suggested I contact French National Police.

          If you think Interpol has something to do with any travel-related thing that happens to you, I suggest that you contact Interpol and ask.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Relief, “Wonder why that Green Notice did not pop up at Immigration of the traveled country? Any ideas?” Yes, simple ineptitude. Their system will still be imperfect and individual immigration officials will sometimes slip up or simply not give a shit. That’s government. We cannot take those instances to the bank with any reasonable expectation of slipping through their nets. INTERPOL is also an investigative organization that spends a disproportionate amount of resources on “sex crimes,” by the way. Each member country has its own INTERPOL unit which works in collaboration with other countries’ INTERPOL units to actively investigate all “sex crimes” and “human trafficking” movement.

          Each country gets to decide which, of their own citizens, is placed on INTERPOL’s international databases. Washington INTERPOL has no problem placing any of us on INTERPOL’s network. They also have choices of which member countries get to see this information but we do not know whether, or if, the U.S. has limited dissemination of this damning information. There are still unknowns. What is not unknown is that they have a very grand plan to halt the movement of “sex offenders” worldwide. Where they are at any particular time in realizing this ambition is not completely known but they are certainly very far along. It is not dependent upon IML, either. They can do all of this without IML’s blessing.

        • MDJJKK


          That is exactly right about Interpol.

          If you are an RSO the chances are nearly 100% that you are in the Interpol Database.

          I did the same thing by traveling by land from the US to a country in Central America. Then I hopped on a plane from the vague country in Central America to the vague country in South America.

          I had a connection in yet another country in Central America, prior to arriving to the vague country in South America, where sure enough, I was stopped and questioned by Interpol Agents.

          They allowed me to proceed to South America, and everything worked out.

          That being said:
          Interpol doesn’t need Angel Watch and they can and will stop you somewhere along the way.

        • NY won’t let go

          I was just in Thailand like 6 months ago, had no issue in customs when they scanned my passport. But I also didn’t come from the US since I don’t live there anymore, but I still show up on NY state registry but not the fed registry so I’m not sure how that works.

        • Relief

          @NY wont let go- You went to Thailand 6 months ago, have you traveled there more than once? Have you traveled to any other countries since leaving the USA?
          You still use/travel on your USA passport right?

          Thanks for the info/posting.

        • NY won’t let go

          I’ve traveled quite a bit since moving out of the US only issue I had was SIngapore because they said I don’t look much like my passport picture, but still was let in.

          I’m still on a US passport. Have to renew it soon due to lack of pages left.

          Btw I don’t get the hype about Thailand. It’s expensive to travel in the country. Like my plane ticket there cost less than taking a shuttle to my hotel. It’s pretty boring there too since I don’t drink and not looking for anything illegal. Lotta UFC and muy Thai fights going on but they wanted too much for tickets.

          The mango sticky rice was good though.

        • Relief

          @NY wont let go- That’s helpful information and interesting. Glad to hear at least some of the issues are behind you.
          I follow your postings and also can’t believe NY still has you listed… You said are not listed on the fed “NSOR” registry, right?

          Oh, and did you move to your new country after the IML passed ~Jan 2016? Do you know if you had a “Notice” (Angel watch or Green) sent when you first traveled from the USA to your new country?

          This can be helpful for people who want to know if they become permanently “marked” within the Interpol databases once they no longer need to register by moving, etc.

          Thanks! for the info here and good luck some day getting off NY’s list.

        • NY won’t let go

          On the NSOR it has my name but no other information and no picture besides “outside of country”

          But that’s because the NY Registry still having my name on there.

          This is post IML

          As for notices if they did send one my current country didn’t seem to care, but they aren’t currently on friendly terms with the US.

          I didn’t move to get off the registry, I moved to be with my wife. Hopefully one day I’ll be off of it, but that would just be a bonus as my life here is pretty good even if the pay is a fraction of what can be made working at McDonald’s in the US.

        • John Smith

          @NY won’t let go

          I renewed my passport outside the US due to not having anymore pages left. That was when I got the identifier. Have not lived in the states for years. Have been coming and going from the states for years. The next time I came to the states after renewing my passport, I received a letter from DOS revoking my new passport. I have not been able to get back to my home since.

          I would strongly encourage you to marry someone in your home country and work on getting your residency or nationalization there. Do not wait, do not procrastinate. I did and I would hate to see anyone go through what I am going through. As I’m sure you are aware, your life can change in a instant. Dont let them take away your freedom.

        • NY won’t let go

          @John Smith

          I have a visa where I am at. I have no plans moving back to the US or even visiting as I Have no ties except the NY Registry and a couple of family members who would rather visit me here.

          That is concerning that you received your revocation letter while living outside of the US.

          There was an article on here a few months ago where that happened to another person and they gave him a new unmarked passport after he brought it to court I thought.

          It sucks that you can’t go home. I can’t even imagine going back to the US, just to be homeless, jobless, and die alone because I wouldn’t have anywhere to go and my wife wouldn’t be able to come and live with me because AWA. Pretty sure she could get a green card on her own though through work, but she dislikes the US more than I do 😅

        • Relief

          @John Smith @NY wont let go

          Thanks for the info John Smith –and sorry for these ruthless issues. It seems DOJ, State Dept and Interpol act randomly from the various postings on here. And you can’t even find out the information in advanced to help prepare (or even not travel / return…)

          John, are you currently listed on the federal NSOR? Do you register now or have your info still posted somewhere like ‘NY wont let go’? When you would be “coming and going” to the USA did you re-register? You say you “have not lived in the US for years” so did you completely de-register and move permanently or did you still have some type of US address?

          Have you ever registered in another US State other then conviction state?

          Wish I could offer some help/info, but your case seems surprising and unlike the few others I’ve seen here. Maybe Paul from RTag might have an idea, you could email him.

          NY wont let go, thanks for your info/posting. I think it’s helpful, even encouraging. Glad it’s OK for you so far.
          I hope you have many years left on your passport before renewal just in case.

        • Relief

          @NY wont let go

          Yes, there was a posting a few months ago where a person no longer living in the US was visiting a 3rd country and had his passport revoked leaving him stranded in this 3rd country as he tried to return to his new adopted country. He contested the revocation and it was determined that ~”if you no longer register in the USA” the state dept can not revoke for the identifier/RSO status and he got his (new) passport.

          But notice that John Smith said his passport was revoked AFTER returning to the USA… I am curious to John’s “registration” status at the time he received this letter.

          Maybe the State Dept revoked incorrectly and John could get it back (?)

          This really is like the primitive punishment of lifetime “Banishment” if you can even get out!

        • NY won’t let go

          I’ve got another 5 years left in it but running short on pages and my visa takes 2 of them at a time.

          Was planning to renew my passport next month since I have a lot of stuff coming up and would rather not have to worry about pages

        • John Smith

          @NY won’t let go @Relief

          I had visas as well. I had no more available pages for my new visa. I renewed my passport at a embassy and was given the identifier. Then renewed and received my new visa in the new passport. After that I did not think I was going to have any problems. A few days after I came here I received my notice that my new passport was revoked. I’m guessing someone made a mistake, but who knows. They immediately replaced it for free.

          When i went back I was refused entry and sent back. One of the first things they asked when I looked into it was are you married to a ** citizen or do you have a child by a ** citizen. We procrastinated getting officially married.

          I also was making a fraction of what I was making in the states, but I was happy and had friends, had a life.

          When I originally left I called up the registry and told them I was moving out of the country. They said please put it in writing and good luck. I have only registered in 1 state. My name was still on it but it said I lived in the country that I had told them I lived in. Never checked the fed site. I was not actively registering anywhere. The 2nd criteria in the definition of covered offender for the IML is “currently required to register under the sex offender registration program of any jurisdiction” The angel watch people have a strange view of what that means. They seem to take that as, if you moved back here would you have to register.

          NY won’t let go, do everything you can to become a resident/citizen of your new country. Do not let what has happened to me happen to you. I wish someone had given me that piece of advice 6 months ago. I was totally clueless about all of this. My biggest problem was fighting off mosquitoes…

          Call in for the conference call. The announcement says they will be discussing the IML.

        • NY won’t let go

          @john smith, this is quite concerning. If you don’t mind me asking, what state were you registered in? And how did you receive the revocation letter? Like do you have a US address or something or was it to your foreign address?

          I know one country I can get citizenship in quite fast but I would need about $6000 for the lawyer to do the paperwork. The suit to file to get off of the registry is cheaper, which I will do once I have saved up enough. As for getting citizenship here it can take a lifetime, even if you’re married. I’m on a spouse visa now. Can apply for residency in another few years.

          Again no plans of going to or even visiting the US. He odd thing is on the NY registry it has me and my information there but under jurisdiction it’s empty. So I’m not even sure what I would be considered as technically I don’t have to register in any jurisdiction but NY doesn’t want to take me off their list and still wants me to update them 🤷‍♂️. Somehow they have more power than the Feds I guess

        • Relief

          @John Smith @NY wont let go

          John, here is an ACSOL Posting from Oct 17, 2018 which seems like your situation (3rd paragraph) and may help:


          A registrant who has lived overseas for more than two years recently won a battle with the Angel Watch Center after the Center falsely notified the State Department that he was currently required to register as a sex offender. As a result of that notification, the registrant’s U.S. passport was revoked because it lacked a “unique identifier”.

          The registrant, who was traveling on business, learned that his passport had been revoked after a letter was sent to the home of a relative where he had previously resided prior to departing the U.S. Because his passport was revoked, the registrant could not return home from the country where he was conducting business.

          The Angel Watch Center’s determination was based upon an incorrect interpretation of a state’s registration laws. In order to correct that determination, a letter was obtained from the state police which clarified that the registrant is not required to register in that state because he had properly notified the state of his move overseas and that he is not a current resident of that state.

          After receipt of the state police letter, the Angel Watch Center notified the State Department of its error and the State Department eventually issued the registrant a new passport without the “unique identifier” at no cost. This process took about six weeks and resulted in the registrant’s inability to return to his family as well as significant hotel and other related costs. The registrant is now reviewing his legal options due to harm caused by the Angel Watch Center’s errors.

        • John Smith

          The angel watch people have a strange idea of what “currently required to register” means.

          @NY wont let go
          Get on that conference call and ask about it. If you were able to get off NY registry I think you would have a much better chance. I used a family member’s address as my US mailing address. Maybe that was my mistake?? I never saw this coming.

        • NY won’t let go

          the address thing could be a possibility, I don’t have any address in the US so they wouldn’t have anywhere to send a letter 😅

        • PK

          I also think this would be helpful information:

          How did you receive the revocation letter?
          Do you have a US address or was it mailed to your foreign address?

          “I renewed my passport at a embassy and was given the identifier”
          You received a new USA Passport in which Country or Embassy?

          “Then I renewed and received my new visa in the new passport”
          Was this new Visa from your new Home Country?

          “A few days after I came here I received my notice that my new passport was revoked”
          You returned to the USA? How did you receive a notice if you don’t actually live in the USA?

          “They immediately replaced it for free”
          You’re saying that the State Department realized that you had already received a new Passport at the Embassy in your new Home Country?
          And they replaced this newly issued Passport, with another Passport with the Identifier for free?

          “I received a letter from DOS revoking my new passport. I have not been able to get back to my home since.”
          What type of Visa do you have from your new Home Country?
          Hopefully a Marriage Visa?

          I would think the fact that you have supposedly lived in your new Home Country for years with a visa, you would have more of an immigration case within that specific country, as opposed to some other poor RSO who just stumbled into that country for a vacation, and got denied entry.

    • AJ

      This is a question many have posed but, to my knowledge, nobody has found an answer. What is the process for someone who truly (versus wink-wink) decides to alter travel while abroad and go to an unlisted destination. For that matter, suppose you lengthen your stay in one of the submitted places and shorten or cancel the other. From the way IML is done, *any* change off the submitted itinerary is a violation. How is that freedom of travel?

      • David

        @ AJ: Because I submit the 21-day notice via email, I have simply emailed information about changes directly to the registering person at the police department. Most recently, I had to do this because I missed my outgoing flight and had to take a later one. I simply emailed the new flight information and received confirmation that it had been received. (In fact, as I recall, the response I received was “That’s fine. No problem.”) Also, just FYI, I respond as broadly to the notification questions as possible. For example, when the form asks for address where I’ll be staying, I simply write “Private residence, Lille, France” or “private apartment, Paris, France”.

        • Hmm

          Were you allowed to remain in France or were you sent back?

  5. America's Most Hated

    No one here has any business trying to subvert the reporting requirements for travel by routing through other countries. This is not the 1970s; everyone knows everything. Even Jetblue and American Airlines know I am on the List. Interpol keeps their own records and they know who we are. Maybe you’ll get away with it and enter and have a super time. But CBP is going to have some awfully serious questions about that Thai entry and exit stamp in your passport. Then they are going to call ICE investigators to come down and they will be the ones to take you down to see the US magistrate to book you into US Marshals custody. I’m not saying this to be mean. I just don’t want the Nazis to get their claws into any of us again. Do everything in good faith and even if they try to hang you on some trivial paperwork disagreement, the US Attorney’s Office is not going to want to try to convince a federal judge that you were trying to do anything malicious when you obviously reported everything in good faith. The government is chomping at the bit to screw us all over again and again, so don’t give them the ammo to do it.

    • RegistrantNotAnOffender

      Yeah not worth it, they will assume you are in thailand for trafficking purposes

  6. David

    @ Relief, @ Notorious DIK and @ America’s Most Hated: Last September, I was met by the French police when my plane landed in Paris. I wrote to Interpol to request any documentation they had about me that might explain why this occurred. In my letter to Interpol, I specifically noted the information about me may have been sent as a “green notice” from Angel Watch, U.S.Dept. of Homeland Security or U.S. Dept. of State. Interpol wrote me back stating that I did not appear in any of their records or documentation. They suggested I contact French National Police.

    If you think Interpol has something to do with any travel-related thing that happens to you, I suggest that you contact Interpol and ask.

    • James

      Hi David. I plan on going to France next year or thereabouts. What happened when you were met by the French police? Did they deny you entry? I’m assuming you did the 21-day advance travel notice to your local PD, correct? Much appreciated.

      • David

        @ James: I was only briefly detained by the French police – probably 15 or 20 minutes at most. (It was informal and no handcuffs were involved.) During this time, they initially seemed confused regarding why they been requested to greet me at the airplane. They settled on asking me standard Customs questions after which I was allowed to continue my vacation unhindered in any way. In fact, they had an officer expedite me through Customs, get my passport stamped, and take me directly to the baggage claim area. (I was a bit chagrined that he didn’t buy me a coffee and flag me down a taxi.)
        I travel to Europe every year and this was the first time I had ever been delayed or questioned. However, the next time I go to Europe, I may encounter a different greeting as I will then be carrying a newly minted “marked” passport. My previous passport was revoked a couple months after returning from my last trip. Nonetheless, I do not anticipate any problems with continuing to visit France and I am preparing for Europe’s forthcoming ETIAS “not-a-visa” visitor’s pass that will be going into effect in 2021.
        🇫🇷 Vive La France! 🇫🇷

        • TS


          Croissants everywhere are offended you did not want one of them with your flagged down taxi and fresh French coffee purchased by the French people in blue. 🙂

    • America's Most Hated

      Interpol keeps data on all of us which is searchable by all member nations, including at ports of entry by customs inspectors. From the Interpol website: “National police can search our databases in real time as part of their investigations. This can be done via their INTERPOL National Central Bureau, or directly at the frontline, for instance by specialized crime units and border officials.”

      In 2017 I entered Ecuador relatively easily. I was sent to secondary and interviewed as to my purpose of visit and let go after about 15 minutes. Very early the next morning, thrée Interpol agents came to my hotel and interviewed me in the lobby for about 30 minutes more. They were Ecuadorean national police assigned to Interpol. They were discreet and polite and did not discuss my past. But they wanted to know who I planned to meet and where I planned to stay. I had to email the head guy every time I changed hotels. They had Interpol badges and his email was an Interpol address. Interpol shares all of our data, which is already public anyhow and not hard for them to collect.

      In other words, every one is now interconnected. If you have a warrant or unpaid child support or owe taxes or are a person of interest (that’s us) then Interpol likely has a file on you unless the investigating agency is in Podunck Hicksville and doesn’t know any better.

      Also, one time my state did not notify the feds about my travel and CBP pulled me off the plane. I had registered so all I got in punishment from their incompetence was losing a few thousand dollars in tickets, last minute rebookings back home from Miami, lost money from hotel reservations, and renewed thoughts of suicide. But that is another record check we all undergo when we leave the US. Everyone on the plane is crosschecked in the customs TECS database for warrants and reasons we can’t leave the country. Sounds more and more like Nazi Germany doesn’t it? Can’t leave the country…

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      David, “If you think Interpol has something to do with any travel-related thing that happens to you, I suggest that you contact Interpol and ask.”

      We already DO know that INTERPOL has something to do with “sex offender” travel-related issues. That’s not even in question and we don’t need to ask them that. Why they didn’t have (or why they didn’t ADMIT to having) a record of you does not mean that they are not instrumental in this scheme in preventing registrants from traveling. They have already stated that they do and are doing so. This is a MAJOR policy initiative that they undertook years ago.

      I’ve noticed that, from the very beginning of this IML regime, which started happening well before the IML, itself, was enacted but while many of its elements were already in place, that people here took the language of our government regarding the registrant-to-government notification scheme as being the sole means by which foreign countries could learn of our past. This was never the case as there are at least several more ways for this information to be disseminated as I have again-and-again noted on these pages. One of those ways is for our records to live on indefinitely in INTERPOL’s database having been put there by the U.S. government. The same way that CBP knows all about us when we return from our foreign adventures simply by scanning our passports so that they can scrutinize us and our bags can also be plugged-into INTERPOL to make every country checking their database aware when we show up at their border. I’m not sure why this is so difficult to grasp but many here seem still to be struggling with this concept, especially when both the U.S. government and INTERPOL trumpeted these interlinked capabilities years ago. If INTERPOL or individual countries like Thailand should miss one or more of us while we cross borders has more to do with the ineptitude of governments than it does with policies and practices. Also, this is a system being expanded and implemented piecemeal which means that experiences last year may not be the same as this year. That doesn’t mean that they’re not being implemented, it means that this system takes shape over time and towards an inevitably very bad end for us.

  7. Worried In Wisconsin

    My reading of the SORNA guidelines call for us to provide 21 day’s notice including “expected itinerary.”

    That doesn’t read like they’re asking for a detailed itinerary or that it be followed 100%, just that it is the “expected itinerary.” When I have provided the notification in Wisconsin, I was told that only a basic outline of where I’m going and how I’m getting there was required, not a day-by-day accounting.

    The IML says that we are to provide an itinerary and other information as detailed by the Attorney General, but I have no idea where to find any procedure published by the AG which detailed the rules for complying with IML.

    Go figure??? They pass a law requiring us to do something, and then they don’t make the details available regarding when/where/how to do so.

    • TS

      @Worried in WI

      Expected falls in line with “shall” and “will” by USG contracting language as stated by SCOTUS (see FAA case on the two words) which @AJ and me discussed last month. Expected is just that, expected, but not a hard and fast boundary, e.g. you could return early if needed and still be within the law, you could change lodging for whatever reason overseas, or change airlines, etc.

      There was someone here that possibly wanted to cross the border from one Schengen country to another for the day and maybe for the night once they got over there but was not sure if they were going to do it. The concern was do they put it on the submitted itinerary or not. There is a certain amount of latitude with “expected” within reason I would imagine and is left up to the USG alphabet soup to determine if it is an issue on return through US airports.

      However, to go from Europe to Thailand (as @Ali asked) may be a stretch to visit on a whim and could appear it was intended the entire time without being noted on the submitted itinerary while using Europe as a ruse. Of course, if @Ali wants to try it and report here their findings and experiences, I’m sure many would read it with interest. Heck, they may be successful. “But, your honor, I was only expecting to be in Europe and in line with my SORNA notification, but got a wild hair and wanted to see the Thai coast and beach, so I went. It was very much unexpected and spur of the moment.”

    • e

      The purpose of these laws(in my opinion) is not to prevent, monitor, or inform. They are spontaneous ideas that have no basis in reality, therefore have no guidelines to follow. Vague as they are, as soon as they even perceive that a RSO has veered away from them, they will then implement more laws to supercede already rediculous ones. We are left to interpret and hopefully follow what can only be seen as the most arduous of life’s roadblocks.

      • Tuna

        This is a good point, and one that I think is ripe for a challenge. The so-called travel requirements could be attacked as being constitutionally vague. While ACSOL has been somewhat timid in challenging IML, this is one area that could be attacked.

    • Bo

      Excellent. I’ll file a foia request with the ag asking what the policy is. This may take months for an answer but I’ll update along the way.

  8. Illinois Contact

    Has anyone actually been arrested and prosecuted and convicted for violating the IML in one of these insignificant ways — making a side trip to a country not included on the submitted itinerary, for example?

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      “Has anyone actually been arrested and prosecuted and convicted for violating the IML in one of these insignificant ways — making a side trip to a country not included on the submitted itinerary, for example?” Not that we’ve heard of on this forum but that doesn’t mean much. This is the closest thing to being a repository of travel experiences, along with RTAG, that there is and, as such, it is incomplete relying, as it does, on the voluntary reporting of individual experiences. In this, we can rely on neither our government or the media to provide us with what amounts to government policies.

    • NY won’t let go

      Wasn’t there a guy who moved to the Philippines without saying anything and got arrested but ended up winning his case?

  9. e

    I see our main hurdle in getting to where we want to be is that we are attempting to do it legally. I would offer the following:
    going to the dark web, purchasing a passport, and cross the country of choice at a less patrolled border area.
    Millions do this every year without any I.D. and live out their lives comfortably. There are people out there willing to help us, for not that much money. I would post some of my results, but that could compromise my goals. Trust me when I say that there is a path. I only recommend this for those out there that have nothing to lose and no attatchments. Prepare yourself. Learn the language of your chosen location, learn customs. Learn a more low profile trade that will benefit local employers. If my neighbor can rent a home, have a business, and raise a family without ever having legal status, I think it can be done in other countries that, once you’re in, could care less.

    • Eric Knight

      In a word: NO! More specifically, HECK NO! (Change the first two letters starting with “F” or last two letters to “L” for my preferred invective).

      Let’s be clear: It is ONE thing to challenge laws in creative ways, such as traveling to areas not listed on an “expected” itinerary. But it is QUITE ANOTHER to suggest breaking existing laws like forging passports. Remember, one’s DNA and other biometrics are most likely stored, its information globally accessed by LE, and getting caught with a bad passport as an RSO is likely to entail serious hard time, as well as a possible permanent ban on obtaining a legal passport in the future, let alone leaving the country.

      I understand the sentiments and the overwhelmingly unfair and vindictive laws that the government puts out on us, but advocating breaking the law in this manner is not acceptable and will only hurt our efforts.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      e, there is considerable legal jeopardy in pursuing this. I’m not going to make the argument that it hurts our collective cause since I see that as being an appeal, ultimately, to never take risks or to engage in acts of civil disobedience. What it does do is to take terrible risks with your own liberty, or what is left of it. False passports and using them in travel are punished heavily. We are also not going to know, in real time, of the methods put into place to detect such false documents and the likelihood of being caught. This is a rapidly expanding capability which we will only know of when it is witnessed by someone sharing that information here or in the media. In other words, this is a very dangerous move which you should only take when you are fully cognizant of the risks and willing to take them on board. I would urge anyone not to take this step.

  10. Joe123

    These laws CAN and WILL be challenged in court. It is only a matter of time. It was a ruled that the 2012 changes to the laws made the whole scheme Punitive. Also, a recent ruling stated that someone on the registry is in custody.

    So how can the government impede travel with their Punitive law without, at Minimum, Due Process given to each person??

    You CANNOT force people to register travel unless you can PROVE that doing so would be in the best interest of the public to SUCH an extent that it tramples the person’s civil rights.

    Seems like a straight-forward argument and there is enough precedent to take on the challenge.

    RTAG has collected dozens of reports of “free citizens” who have suffered damages due to laws that keep them in custody.

    This is just like the fights of other groups in this country in the last 100 years. The ‘Great’ country of the USA has a long history of hatred against just about any group of people that can be segregated. I can assure you many foreigners would never have moved here if they knew the level of corruption going on in this country. The atrocities are happening in plain sight under the mask of “legality”.

  11. Harry

    What is the difference between IML and probation/parole reporting requirements? Parole and probation is considered punishment.

    • Bend Over - Florida Owns Your Ass For Life!

      There is NO difference.

      BOTH limit your freedom of movement and require contact with law enforcement. The are BOTH the same with different names and they are BOTH PUNISHMENT.

      • Harry

        I wonder how long will it take for the legal teams, that supposedly be on our side, to push this fact in court? IML been running for 2-3 years with out even a bump.

        • steve

          I just brought up the same thing. IML reporting is no different then reporting to a probation officer which when you are doing so is considered part of your punishment.

      • anonymouse

        IML is MUCH worse.

        Not informing / getting permission from your Probation / Parole Officer is a parole / probation violation. Not giving the required 21 day notice is a brand new felony with a max punishment of 10 years in prison. Even if the qualifying offense is a misdemeanor.

        The Probation / Parole Officer generates no notice to the destination country. IML does.

        Planning a trip commencing in less than 21 days would involve a conversation with your Parole / Probation Officer. Under IML a trip commencing in less than 21 days is impossible legally.

        Just off the top of my head.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          anonymouse, “Under IML a trip commencing in less than 21 days is impossible legally.” No, they say that they can do it in less than 21 days in the event of unanticipated travel. You have to tell them that.

        • anonymouse

          @Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly – where does it say that? And who says it? And who do you tell? Thanks.

        • TS


          To add to what @NDIK said, you may read here how one may submit notification under 21 days for international travel, where it specifically says “While notice of international travel will generally be required as described above, it is recognized that requiring 21 days advance notice may occasionally be unnecessary or inappropriate. For example, a sex offender may need to travel abroad unexpectedly because of a family or work emergency. Or separate advance notice of intended international trips may be unworkable and pointlessly burdensome for a sex offender who lives in a northern border state and commutes to Canada for work on a daily basis. Jurisdictions that wish to accommodate such situations should include information about their policies or practices in this area in their submissions to the SMART Office and the SMART Office will determine whether they adequately serve SORNA’s international tracking objectives.”

        • Will Allen

          Have to say that each comment that I read makes me want to murder 1 more person who thinks IML is acceptable. Will I do it? Certainly perhaps one day.

          Will it hurt “the cause”? I don’t think so. People aren’t concerned about murders. They are concerned about $EX.

          I think people who support the Registries need to well understand that some people are done with their BS and people must be forced to pay.

  12. Kari


    Ok, to the guy anonymouse, so tell me this. I do not register at I currently live in the Midwest. The state where I currently lived once, has put me back on the registry. They did that within in the last 4 years. I have not had to register in 13 years. Now the big question Do I give a 21-day advance notice? Well the state where I live said we do not follow the federal SORNA. So, therefore, we do not require that and do not notify the U.S. Marshal’s office. Now I spoke to Janice and Paul R. about this issue and they explained, in that case, you would not have to tell anyone. Now one comment was made to fill out the California 21 day advance and tweak it maybe with your state information on it. However, I have not left at all due to this very issue. No one can really give me a better answer and in addition, I contacted the CBP since I live on the border of Canada. I actually went up to there office told them my story and. There answered was well we would still pull in secondary, but more likely would let you go after the interview (interrogation) nothing we could do. I have a letter from my current state says you do not have to register. Maybe that is good enough. Who Knows!

    • texasex

      @Kari . I am in the exact same situation as you, leaving Texas. Have you crossed to Canada? Did they stop you?

  13. texasex

    @Kari . I am in the exact same situation as you, leaving Texas. Have you crossed to Canada? Did they stop you?

  14. David

    @ Will Allen: That’s because “sex!!!” is so titalating 🤩, but murder is rather drab and passé. 😩😵

    • Will Allen

      Exactly right. Which is why I always spell it “$EX”. That combines the money involved in the “$EX offender” witch hunt, along with the freak-out about $EX in general. People living in the U.S. are obsessed with $EX and lose their little minds about it most of the time. Perhaps I ought to start spelling it “$EX!!!”. That is even more of a freak-out. That spelling does get people’s attention.

      There is truly no legitimate or sensible reason to have $EX Offender Registries ($ORs), therapy, or any of that other BS, and not do the same thing for hundreds of other types of crimes. There just isn’t. So given that fact, we know that governments that have $ORs aren’t legitimate. They are criminal regimes committing crimes. They need to be ended.

      Getting off on a tangent, but f*ck all people who support the $ORs. They need to die. If they are so pathetic that they need $ORs, let them have them. I truly don’t give the first f*ck as long as I don’t have to do anything with the $ORs or for them. These probation/parole requirements for people who are not on probation/parole are not acceptable. I’m going to make sure people suffer because of it.

  15. kari

    Hi texasex,

    No I went in to Canada several times before Texas put me back on the registry I left Texas in 2005 Texas transferred me to the Midwest. I was off the registry from 2005 to 2014. During that time yes, I traveled in to Canada several times until Texas. Texas put me back on in 2015. However, I do not have an obligation to register or send Texas any updated information at all.

  16. Warren

    I’m taking a trip to Europe next month for a month with my wife and sent in my 21 day notice for International travel to my reporting agency. Officer calls me and says I need to come in and de-register couple days before travel. When I return, make sure to register again. Is this legit? I travel international maybe 2 times a year and this never came up before. I live in Orange County in California.

    • TS


      It is related to your duration out of the state, not the country, but it is legit and valid. Ask them what the CA law is (or look it up above on top of this page under legal in the matrix) for the duration one can be out of the state before they have to deregister.

    • Anon

      Janice has the standard operating procedures from the orange county sherriff. Nothing in there states to de-register, especially if you are maintaining a residence (domicile) in orange county, although nothing specifically states the sop for the form.

    • ocguy

      De-registering is regulated by PC 290.013:

      290.013. (a) Any person who was last registered at a residence
      address pursuant to the Act who changes his or her residence address,
      whether within the jurisdiction in which he or she is currently
      registered or to a new jurisdiction inside or outside the state,
      shall, in person, within five working days of the move, inform the
      law enforcement agency or agencies with which he or she last
      registered of the move, the new address or transient location, if
      known, and any plans he or she has to return to California.

      Going on vacation, you are NOT changing your residence address. You will have no new address or transient location. You are going on vacation. Even for a month.

      PC 290’s definition of residence is extremely vague (on purpose?). It is one of those “we’ll know it when we see it”. The first real clarification about “your case” you will get is at your trial for failure to register.

      A “residence” is a place / structure where you sleep most nights, collect your mail, use for banking purposes, keep your personal belongings, expect to return to, etc.

      Remember, you are even required to register as a secondary “residence” a place where you “regularly” sleep (and keep some stuff) regardless of the actual days spent there.

      If you de-register from your current residence for a finite vacation (even for a month) but you do NOT move all your stuff out of the house, sell the place / break the lease, have your mail stopped permanently, have no intention of NOT returning etc, – it is my humble and amateur opinion that you are failing to register as required by PC 290! Because it is still your residence, even if you are physically absent for a while.

      In other words the cops are directing you to commit a crime / a felony. That is an outrage and should be documented. Get this in writing and contact Janice.

      My take on this. Bon voyage!

      • Ano

        Yea, it’s worse than that.

        In McCleod, supra, 55 Cal. App. 4th 1205, the court stated that the term “residence,” as used in section 290, was a commonly understood term, without technical meaning, that did not have to be defined by the court. The McCleod court concluded the term was easily understood by persons of common intelligence as connoting “`more than a passing through or presence for a limited visit.’” (55 Cal.App.4th at p. 1218.)”

        In Gonzales, he was convicted for spending days at someone elses house “working”. So, yea. Maybe that’s changed. Idk.

    • AJ

      You could always be smart with the guy and ask if you’re also required to transfer your Driver’s License for the duration of the trip. Perhaps that will wake up the hamster on the wheel in his head and he’ll get that you’re not changing your primary and permanent residence.

      • Muriel

        If you are registered in FL yes you must go in person to the DMV to register a temporary address. Temporary being more that 3 days-whether in state or out. This is in addition to registering, in person, with the Sheriff of your county for 48 hours or longer.
        No exceptions even for emergency/hospital stays.

        • Will Allen

          Unacceptable. Make them pay every day.

        • AJ

          “If you are registered in FL yes you must go in person to the DMV to register a temporary address.”
          I don’t get what point you’re trying to make. In @Warren’s case, that temporary address would be wherever in Europe. The issue @Warren is having is the CA dope wants him to de-register completely from CA–from his PERMANENT address. Your example doesn’t fit that.

  17. USA

    De register? As the law notes, you give them 21 day notice. That’s it. Unless your moving, no! Telll whomever your talking to that they are retarded! It takes me (I live in the OC) 30 – 40 mins (depending upon traffic) to get to the location where you register. Then, it takes 1-1.5 hours to register? In summary, it’s at least a 2.5-3 hour ordeal each time? In LB, your in and out in 30 mins or less? The people in OC are techs. So, I suggest they get with the program

  18. America's Most Hated

    Does anyone have the contact info for a civil rights attorney? My state is not letting me travel. I have already bought my plane tickets and my hotels and I am about to lose thousands of dollars yet again to these tyrants and I am done. I am suing the state and the US if anyone will take the case. The lawyers on this site won’t help. Anyone know any civil rights lawyers?

    • TS

      @Most hated

      What state do you need one? You could ask the national office too for recommendations.

    • AJ

      @America’s Most Hated:
      ” My state is not letting me travel.”
      Are you off paper? If so, they have zero say in the matter, as you well know. In truth, this could play into your hand, as it will show active supervision/custody/control due to ML and not your conviction.

      Your State of residence will play a big part in availability of who may help. If in a smaller or rural state, give attorneys in a larger city along the border a try. Heck, maybe even give Avvo a try (though I find that site rather useless and had to school a Maryland lawyer a few months back). If nothing else, do a search for “First Amendment lawyers” and try a few of the results. Also try this PDF:

      Were I you, I would secure legal counsel, *mail* in my registration information, travel, and let the chips fall where they may. If they arrest you, have you attorney at the ready. Again, their active denial of your First Amendment right to travel is a boon in the long run.

    • E @ Most Hated

      Your statement requires clarification. If you are off paper your state cannot permit or deny you travel. You are required to let them know, but that’s not the same as getting permission. So please explain the statement, “My state is not letting me travel.” What State? What are they telling you? And are you off paper? Thanks.

  19. John Smith

    I would encourage everyone having a interest in this topic be on the conference call being held Saturday, April 20 at 10 am Pacific Time. It will include information about the domestic and overseas travel.

  20. Manuel

    this is just an up date on my travel to mexico after I deregister from my state (tx) and no longer on the web site I travel 3 weeks ago to Mexico and there were no problems I was once sent back from mexico back in 2015 also between 2015 and 2019 I was able to get a Mexican passport do to the fact that I was born in Mexico and the way I leave the country is by showing my USA passaport and to enter mexico i show my Mexican passport coming back to the state I leave mexico with my Mexican passport and enter USA with us passport this is most easy and hassle free trip ever some of you might want to know why I use my mexican Passport only reason it has more (benefits) **** this is just information**

    • Ali

      Manuel, were you able to petition to de-register after probation? or do I have to wait 10 years on the registry due to federal rules?

  21. America's Most Hated

    I am in Spain! They didn’t even scan my passport. He said “Hola”, took his stamper thing and banged me right in. I haven’t even left the airport and I already love this place!

    • steve

      Congrats! Isn’t that ridiculous we are congratulating someone on being able to travel…Have a good time.

      • TS


        Good point. Yes, it is ironically sad, but good, we congratulate a fellow forum member who travels overseas given the potential issues that may happen throughout. If one can do it successfully, then I say pats on the back all around. We should not have to do this but it reminds me of the three who successfully got away out of the 76 that initially executed the great escape from Stalaf Luft III. It provided hope for those left behind just as travel overseas without issue is lauded here. Let’s just hope @AMH can fully enjoy the time and return sans issue other than what was known prior to, e.g. secondary.

  22. Manuel

    I did 6 year probation and then 10 more years registering (thank God I finish )

    • Ali

      thats crazy, so you served full 6 years probation? did you follow everything that was required, therapy, polygraph etc….? did you attempt to get off probation early?

      I am just trying to find some answers like everyone else in Texas.

  23. DAK

    Romania is not on the Shenzen list above, but they are a Shenzen country and on the travel matrix with all “NO’s”

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      It’s “Schengen.” Shenzen is a city in China. By “all no’s” you mean that we are not barred from entering Romania.

      Also, I’d like to see where it is in Schengen’s rulebook that registrants are not barred from entering. I say that it is largely a coincidence that none of the member states do bar us and not because of a top-down policy decision of Schengen. In other words, it’s more of a function of being European than of being a member of Schengen.

  24. Mike G

    We just returned from 10 days in Europe with no significant issues.

    We flew into Munich, Germany. When we got to the customs person, I handed him both our passports. He scanned my passport, and then stared at the screen for what seemed to be a long time. Then he sat my passport aside. I’m thinking, “oh boy – here we go”. He scanned my wife’s passport, then immediately turned it to a blank page and stamped it. Then he turned to another agent and spoke to him for a few moments. After that, he reached over and picked up my passport, opened it to a blank page, and stamped it. He handed me back both passports and said “have a good visit”. He did not look in the back of my passport for my “branded” page.

    We then boarded a plane and flew to Naples, Italy. We subsequently visited Sicily, Malta, Spain, and France by ship. Our passports were never asked for nor looked at by any government person after we left Munich, until we were about to fly out of Munich back to LAX. Of course, our passports were looked at (but not scanned) when we stayed in hotels in Naples & Munich, and when we boarded the ship. I did have my “branded” page tucked into the passport cover, but no one ever tried to look for it.

    My conclusion: There must be something to see on the computer when one of our passports are scanned, but the special “branded” page is not an issue in Europe, at least for now.

    Returning to LAX was the usual hassle, but there was a little different twist this time. When I presented our passports with the slips of paper from the automated kiosk (mine with the X across it) to the person at the customs desk, she scanned my passport, and set it aside. Then she scanned my wife’s, and told her she could leave. After my wife walked a little ways away, the clerk said “Do you have your registration paperwork?”. I thought she meant my copy of my 21-day notice, which we had unfortunately forgotten to bring. So I said, “no, I left everything at home.” So she said, “that is too bad; if you had your card with you, I could clear you right here”. So I said “card? what card is that?”. She said “the card they give you when you register”, and she held her hands up to indicate about a 3″ x 5″ card. I said, “where I register, they don’t give me any kind of card”. So she said, “well, you’ll have to stand over there and wait for an officer to take you to Secondary”. Now, when I first registered about 25 years ago, they would give us this little wallet sized card that they said we were legally required to have with us at all times, and to show it to any law enforcement person we should encounter, but I think that went away over 20 years ago, so I have no idea what this agent was talking about.

    Observation: I was still never asked anything about the 21-day notice required by IML. Also, the customs agent never checked the back of my passport for the “branded mark”.

    Re: Recent discussions about last minute itinerary changes: Based on a copy of our airline flight itinerary (which turned out not to be the most recent one), I booked a hotel for our long layover (16 hours) in Munich. When I printed our boarding passes the night before we left, I was surprised to notice that our layover was actually 1 hour and 45 minutes, which also meant that we arrived in Naples a day early. It was too late to get a refund for our Munich hotel, but I had to book a hotel in Naples for that night. Of course, my 21-day itinerary listed the name and address of the hotel in Munich and obviously had no info on the Naples hotel. If someone were really monitoring the 21-day notices, I suppose they could have given me a hard time, but it was not intentional.

    • TS

      @Mike G

      Welcome home. Nice to hear you had a good trip and enjoyed your time and all went well. Thank you for the detailed review of your travels. Very helpful.

      As for your change in hotels from Germany to Italy, the law says “intended” travel. You intended to stay in Germany upon your arrival due to a long layover, but that was superseded by a shorter one and thus required a night stay in Italy instead. You did not intend the change, it just happened. That is how it is suppose to work as detailed in the 2011 SORNA supplemental guidelines when things change or is less than 21 days notice. The USG even calls that out in the language. You would be in the clear on it. You probably just missed a welcoming party with beverages and yodeling at the hotel.

      • anonymouse

        For the love of god – how many times are you going to do this?

        You are citing a 2011 Guideline for States, Territories and Tribes on how to modify State / Territory and Tribal laws in order to become fully SORNA compliant to excuse non-compliance with a 2016 federal law for individual registrants.

        There is no language in IML allowing for any lesser notice or subsequent changes, that I am aware of. If there is, someone please cite it for my personal edification – because that 2011 Guideline isn’t it.

        Please, everyone do your own research and do not follow this advice above. Up to 10 years in the slammer is a pretty steep price to pay here.

        • TS


          For all things mice, why don’t you look at the 2011 guideline online,, and find your way, like a mouse trying to find the cheese at the other end of the maze, to the international travel section
          (II. Interjurisdictional Tracking and Information Sharing
          A. International Travel, para 4) which shows the language to leaving it open to less than 21 days notification exceptions using examples provided by the United States Government (as written by the DoJ and was blessed by the AG and referred back to in 2016 law as AG direction). Also, it is intended travel as stated in travel notification requirements throughout the doc, which could be subjected to change at any time prior to travel and after notification or even during travel. Both of these directions are NOT superseded or amended in the 2016 law; therefore, making them still legal for application to the traveler. In fact, the 2016 law doesn’t supersede 2011 Guidelines or the 2006 AWA but codifies and amends as directed in places.

          Please read Sec 6 here in the 2016 law and tell us where it says no less than 21 days:

          What? You’re right, it doesn’t. 21 days is the rule with exceptions, both established earlier.

          However, if you would like to merely refer only to the 2016 law (that says intended travel BTW, which could be subjected to change less than 21 days before travel or even during AND nothing on 21 days at all) and ignore the 2011 federal guidelines and the 2006 law, you are more than welcome to do so.

          I do highly encourage the other fine folks to take all those three laws together as they are meant to be used that way.

          So, for the love of ignorance, learn some civics. Please.

          I yield my time to the others here.

    • NotEasilyOffended

      Thank you for such a detailed update. Congratulations on your trip and so glad to hear a success story. How long were you detained in secondary inspection? Also, where I register I am still given a small slip of paper to keep in my wallet. I request they do not laminate it so that I can fold it up and hide it in a wallet fold.

  25. someone who cares

    Mike G ~ Thanks for the update, even though, it would have been nice if you could just walk through customs back in your “home” country without having to go through any secondary, just like any other “free” American. As for the travel itinerary, how can that ever be enforced? Plans change all the time, and there just isn’t time to notify anyone 21 days prior. You get to your destination and may have planned to stay in a certain hotel to do a hike the next day. Then, the weather changed, and the hike is out of the question, so you go to Plan B that has not been “cleared” with the authorities. What a bunch of nonsense. Anybody who is off paper should be able to travel freely, any time and anywhere. Welcome “home”.

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