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VA: Who lives, works near you, and what it takes to keep track of Virginia’s 13K sex offenders

The process of moving when buying or renting a home can be a lengthy process, from researching neighborhoods, area schools and the cost of living.

For some, another part of finding a new home can involve checking crime rates — or the sex offender registry. Full Article

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  1. Facts should matter

    “We’re dealing with a segment of the population that most people don’t like…”

    The same can be said about LEOs.

    “We spend almost half a million dollars every year on postage,” Puckett said.

    No. The tax payers are paying for this safety fantasy lie they were sold by the scare mongering politicians. What do they get in return? A false sense of relief and quasi-reassurance. Suckers.

    • Tim in WI

      Facts,
      A solid definition \ description of a “protection racquet.” Only this racquet involves gov use of database for surveillance and data collection of a subset ( at first) of the domestic population.

  2. AJ

    “If that person is not found after three physical check-ins, and a trooper cannot locate the person after a fourth visit, the state police will open an investigation into the person’s whereabouts. If they still cannot be found, the trooper will get arrest warrants and file them in the “wanted” system in case they are found during a traffic stop or other situation.”
    —–
    So just because the Thin Blue Liars cannot find me, I’m subject to arrest? Wanting the Government to leave me alone is probable cause? I can be arrested, booked, and jailed simply because I’m better at hide-and-seek than they are? How is that a crime? Wow, talk about heavy-handed police tactics.

    • Will Allen

      I agree. But these types of articles are extremely rarely 100% accurate so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was just flat wrong. Further, even law enforcement criminals (LECs) like A.J. Puckett often just say things that make them feel good but actually have no connection to reality or law. We all know they are rarely capable of operating within the law.

      I don’t see how they could possibly get away with the crime of arresting you UNLESS it is the law that a Registered Person (RP) allow LECs to visit them at home and physically see them there. Could that be a law? I would certainly think the criminal regime would try to create that law. The article says, “Virginia Code requires state police civilian compliance officers physically check in to ensure that person is working or living where they say they are.” It says it requires the LECs to do something, it does not say that an RP has to do anything.

      But again of course, any actual law could be something completely different than what the article says. I could look but I’m not going to mess with it for now. But RPs in Virginia certainly ought to know. Unless they just think they should help the LECs and be good, compliant offenders forever.

      I also found it interesting that the article said this regarding certified letters that are sent to RPs, “After receipt, they must sign and put their fingerprints on the letter and send it back to state police.” I wonder if they have some special way to put their fingerprints on it and then mail it back. That would certainly be interesting. I’m pretty sure I could not refrain from doing everything required on it and writing “Fuck law enforcement criminals. Hopefully you’ll be shot today.” underneath my signature. Or something equally nice.

      I don’t know but it’s certainly a war. Too bad for everyone. It is pretty amazing how much money these criminal regimes are wasting on this stupidity. But that is what big government does. They’ll burn every dollar they can put their hands on. If I were the criminal regime, I’d certainly try to steal all of the needed money from RPs. They are immoral, might as well go all out.

      • TS

        They could do a fingerprint test to see if they get any off the envelope and whose they are after running the test since I’m sure USPS does not carry fingerprint ink with them.

        As for the physical check, makes one wonder what they leave to notify the person being sought, e.g. bright yellow door knob tag say they were here looking for you. A warrant seems extreme and don’t think would pass legal muster in court. They cannot confirm, then they cannot confirm, but they tried by law.

        • Happy, Joyous and Free

          Physical check-they leave a business card. Says “call me”. That’s pretty simple.

        • Will Allen

          That is simple. And completely unacceptable.

          If I were not forced by “law” to respond to physical checks, I would throw their card away in 1 second and never call them back. I do that where I live because it is not forced.

        • AJ

          @Happy, Joyous and Free:
          “Physical check-they leave a business card. Says “call me”. That’s pretty simple.”
          —–
          I’m trying to figure out if you’re a troll or a sheep. I don’t care how simply it is, I’m not doing anything willingly. Huh, the card must’ve blown away or gotten stolen..or placed in a public restroom.

          Why not offer up a cavity search for good measure?

        • Happy, Joyous and Free

          Okay,I rarely post here. Not a troll. Been to NARSOL in Dallas in 2014 and Texas Voices in 2016. Been a female RC for more than a decade. Personally spoke to Janice and others. Virginia law requires two checks per year at your home /and or work twice a year whether you are off paper or not. I’d rather have a plain clothes state trooper stop by my house than at work. If I’m not home, they leave a card. I call them and say that nothing has changed, call is over. Period.

          As to re-registering, current law mandates yearly or quarterly, they don’t want a huge line of RC’s at a state police barracks. Many local police in the southern part of the state make it super difficult for RC’s, and using the state police guarantees the paperwork is done. I’d rather mail a letter than have to take a day off of work to re-register. I’d rather re-register than get a felony FTR. Virginia has a process that works and is a heck of a lot easier than most states in the country.

          Mary DeVoy (VA RSOL- such a shame) has documented that USPS loses mail, there were cases of police departments in other parts of Virginia refusing to register people, saying it was the job of the state police.

          So, hopefully I have answered the troll part. If that isn’t enough, check your own inventory and go to a meeting.

        • Will Allen

          @Happy, Joyous and Free:

          Very interesting. Sorry that you are listed on the hit list. I hope you believe that people who support it are your enemies.

          It does sound like Virginia commits their Registration crimes in a way that is easier for you to deal with. I agree that it is certainly a lot easier to call and mail than it is to actually to have to visit one of their locations. Personally, I would try to do whatever is morally correct but would also likely try to do whatever was easiest for me. So I might call them if that was the way. And for me, even just a risk of being arrested for a FTR is not an acceptable option so that would not be part of whatever I was doing. Because not only would I very, very severely retaliate if I were arrested, I already retaliate if there is even a threat of it. It’s just unacceptable and someone has to pay for it.

          As far as if a law enforcement criminal (LEC) shows up at your home or work in a uniform, I think ALL of us need to get WAY over that. We all need to stop hiding and stop being shamed. Most of us should feel shame if we harmed someone else. But it is not okay for just random douche bags like LECs or “neighbors” to judge us or even stick their noses into something that had nothing to do with them and is simply none of their business. I don’t let people shame me. And they certainly can’t judge me unless I can judge them also, and in order to do that I’d need a full background check, would need to interview a bunch of people who’ve known them for decades, find out about their current lifestyle, etc. That’s all none of my business, I don’t care, and I’m not going to waste my time doing it. So judging is not going to work out.

          So let’s all stop hiding. For me personally, if a uninformed LEC showed up where I work, I would make fun of them until they were gone. I would very loudly point out what a bunch of idiots they all are and how they are wasting so many public resources when they could be out instead trying to prevent or solve some crimes. Take advantage of it. Every time.

          Another simple example is that I was recently on a sheriff’s Facecrook page and arguing with about 50 people there. They were posting photos of Registered People there, along with all the other sheriff news, etc. At one point they had a teenager go missing and haven’t been able to find her. I told all of them that they haven’t been able to find her because they were all too busy jacking off with their Registries to do actual police work. And they had recently been bragging about visiting the homes of all of their local Registered People. We should be merciless with these people.

          Lastly, I am very interested to what extent the criminal regimes can force people to allow their LECs to “verify” their home addresses (or work for that matter). Can they force you to receive certified mail? Force you to fingerprint yourself? Force you to respond to “business cards” left at your home? Does the Virginia law actually say? If you wouldn’t mind (and maybe even want to review it?!), would you please post the exact, specific sections of Virginia law which you think requires any of that? Just curious how it reads. If you aren’t up for it, don’t worry about it and maybe I’ll check it out some day. I do know exactly how the law reads where I live.

        • TS

          @Happy, etc

          Why the shame for VA RSOL? Please explain if you have a moment.

          A business card is better than the bright colored door knob hanging notification with large texte seen in other states.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          TS, I think she (Free) is saying that it is a shame that Mary has thrown in the towel, not that she should be “ashamed.” Personally, I think her record is a mixed bag. No doubt she did some good, solid things in Virginia. I have a problem, however, with advocates who advocate for civil commitment of people like Galen Baughman who are NOT violent and have already served their time in prison. I don’t think that that is a bitchy, ungrateful position to take.

      • AJ

        @TS & @Will Allen:
        The article says the fingerprints are put on the *letter*, not the envelope. I suspect there’s probably a handy-dandy fingerprint kit of some sort inside (including a wet-wipe to clean up!). All I would do were I a VA RC is refuse all certified letters unless explicitly expecting one.

        • Hopeful, Joyous and Free

          The letter has two sections for thumbprints. Buy an ink pad at Staples. Take your own prints. Sign the form, date it and send it back certified return receipt. Oh, and make a copy before sending. It’s that simple.

        • TS

          Letter, envelope, my bad…

          Providing my own prints, I hope I don’t smudge them

        • AJ

          @Hopeful, Joyous and Free:
          No thanks. I certainly am not going to spend my time and money to support their intrusion into my life. It’s their pet project, so let them actually do some work and jump through some hoops of their own by having to try to find me. I’d decline the letters.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Or possibly a hybrid, a “trollosheep,” as it were. I think they’re proliferating.

      • Happy,Joyous and Free

        TS: i said “shame” about VA RSOL because they did a lot of good, but too many VA RCs did nothing. The VA legislature pushed Mary to quit. It was the right decision for Mary, but sad it happened. Virginia is a quizzical place to live, and too many RCs keep their heads down to avoid notice.

    • Tim in WI

      At least it’s the state’s police that do the investigation in WI it’s the state’s DOC that hunt for you. That difference in agency choice for SOR admin evidences differing intents. Some states opted for the AG itself to administrator SOR.

  3. SR

    “Puckett added he estimated there may be about 200 sex offenders arrested annually in Virginia for “disappearing,” or not checking in as required.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    So they’re spending $500,000 on stamps, thousands upon thousands of expensive man-hours, dedicating nearly 100 law enforcement people to do paperwork, all so that they can arrest 1.5% of registered people for actually not breaking any laws were it not for the registry limiting their basic freedoms? THANK GOD THEY’RE WATCHING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY!!

  4. TS

    No children going to the door on Halloween is one of the things they check for. Um, but if there is no decor or lighting, how can you arrest the occupant for children going to the door on their own despite the less than inviting atmosphere? That is stupid. I will suggest they get @Will Allen to provide them a sign to hang on Halloween to ensure they are not welcome and hopefully don’t enter the premises if they can read in the dark without the lighting.

    • Will Allen

      So funny they talk about the Halloween stupidity. What a bunch of morons! So, so pathetic that I almost feel sorry for the idiots. It is hilarious that they think they are doing anything positive for public safety or protecting anyone. If they were capable of comprehending reality, they might be sad.

      I would be very surprised if they could arrest anyone for children going to the house or even children being at the house. In fact, if a person is not on probation or parole, I’d be surprised if the criminal regime could even keep the person from having a party at his/her home and inviting any number of families over. I suppose it could not be a “Halloween party” or have any Halloween decorations. Or can a criminal regime tell me that I cannot have friends over to my home on certain days of the year? Which days? Just days they designate? Seems like criminal behavior.

      But these Registered People should simply do what I do every Halloween – leave their homes and go do whatever they want to do, wherever they want, and with the law enforcement criminals (LECs) having no clue about it. That is trivial to do. I would never, ever consider letting LECs see me on Halloween anywhere. Just because that is the proper, moral, American response to LECs.

      Lastly, all of these people who supposedly cannot decorate their own homes as they wish should build a big gallows in their front yards. They should create effigies of any key terrorists/legislators/pigs who support the Registries and hang them. That is nothing but a political expression that is surely covered by free speech. I think I need to do that myself just for fun. I’m already affecting the ability of my neighbors to sell their homes, that should help more.

    • JM of Wi.

      @ts
      The following is a snip it from my city’s legislation.

      “Holiday Events and Public Gatherings:
      (1) It is unlawful for a sex offender to actively take part in any public holiday event
      involving children under 18 years of age where the distributing of candy or other
      items to children takes place, including but not limited to holiday parades or

      similar gatherings, Halloween trick or treating, wearing a Santa Claus costume in
      a public place in relationship to Christmas, wearing an Easto Bunny costume in a
      public place in relationship to Easter, or wearing any other costume reasonably
      expected to attract children in a public place, or other similar activities that may,
      under the circumstances then present, tend to entice a child to have contact with a
      sex offender.
      (2) Exception. This section does not apply to any event in which the sex offender is
      the parent or guardian of the child(ren) involved, and the sex offender’s child(ren)
      are the only child(ren) present.”

      I can have my own festival, and invite (only) my own kids.

      • TS

        Yes, @JM of WI, that is the exception to the rule, but at that point, they could be inside already and the other children who are willingly going to the door with no lighting and decor outside are the questionable actions that could lead to the occupant to get into trouble as it is written. Why stop at offspring and not include cousins and nieces/nephews or grandchildren to be allowed?

        Is Mr/Miss LEO going to sit outside the house of the person who is to not be participating in Halloween and check all children going to the door to see if they live there or not? Is that not a waste of LEO resources who should be doing seat belt checks and DUI checks instead since they are a greater threat to the community on this night of horrors?

        As for @Will Allen suggestion, I am going to hold a party and call it the “Day of the Dead” party with gallows outside and welcome all who have children since it is not a Halloween celebration with Thriller on repeat to outside speakers for the neighbors to hear. A little PsyOps never hurt anyone, did it?

      • Joe

        The Virginia lawmakers must have taken their lessons from 1939 Germany , guess who’s the Nazis and who’s the Jews. Just sickening!

        • Just me

          Show your ID to the postal employee and sign for the letter? I’m glad this doesn’t happen where I live because I’m at work when mail is delivered to my house. What would I have to do? Quit my job and stay home watching for mail?

      • AJ

        @JM of Wi.:
        “I can have my own festival, and invite (only) my own kids.”
        —–
        Based on the Ordinance you posted, you should be able to do more than that. I say this because they apparently forgot the importance of a hyphen. Without a hyphen, the adjectives each and both modify the noun. Only through the proper use of a hyphen can the word modifications be made crystal clear. “Public-holiday event” would mean an event involving a public holiday. However “public holiday event” means an event that is public event AND a holiday event. Hosting a party in your home, especially if invites are used, would be a “private holiday event” or even a “private public-holiday event.” 🙂

        I so love the hyphen and the Oxford comma.

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