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CA: Democrats incur LGBTQ wrath over sex offender registry bill SB 145

[losangelesblade.com – 9/6/19]

During a week of flurry before Labor Day, the California Assembly and Senate Appropriations Committees determined which final legislation to pass to the floor for votes and which to suspend for this session. At the end of the day on Friday, Aug. 30, one bill superseded the usual drama to create a pall over California Democratic unity as LGBTQ legislators and advocates expressed outrage that purported supporters used anti-LGBTQ messaging to woo electoral votes in 2020.

However, in a move that infuriated LGBTQ advocates and law enforcement allies, Assembly Appropriation Chair Lorena Gonzalez suspended Wiener’s SB 145 that would fix the current discriminatory sex offender registry law written before homosexuality was decriminalized.

Equality California was among the fairness and equality advocates angry that Gonzalez seemed to substitute her own judgement over that of law enforcement and LGBTQ and allied civil rights groups and placed SB 145 on suspension to now become a two-year bill, eligible for consideration in 2020.

The move was cheered by anti-LGBTQ Christians. “A California bill that could have prevented homosexuals from having to register as sex offenders for having sex with consenting minors has been blocked,” Christian Action Network reported Sept. 3.

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If it’s one thing people within the LGBT community need to understand, its that agreeing with registries Is still agreeing with them being singled out for abuse. After all, the topic of homosexuality is still taboo just like sex offenders. Yes, you may have some PC people who say nice things in public, but being closed doors they consider them and sex offenders one of the same……

Christians huh? While that is some people’s view, not all. What a bs posting. Kind of like how we do not want to be under the same umbrella, do not people their religious beliefs in a post like this.

Perhaps I should have been more circumspect and precise. Evangelicals are asshole hypocrites. The right-wing bible thumpers are the worst. They condemn people, label them, make excuses for gun-ownership, capital punishment, walls at borders, racism, etc. Evangelicals are a science-denying bunch of blind sheeple who will stare at evidence-based treatment, empirical facts, such as low recidivism rates and still ignore the truth. Now many of you who went to the chapel in prison found solace and perhaps some comfort during your darkest days, but let me tell you, right-wing christians are the main obstacle to registered sex offenders ever being… Read more »

@P

Piss off, preferably into the wind. I identify most closely with the non-denominational evangelicals you demean here while understanding the science and don’t relate to things you list.

So, you may want to slice your pie again now with more researched information before you run your mouth again under the First Amendment rights many of us fought for you are using here.

Here is what you should TS. You should walk to the front of your church when it is filled with congregants on Sunday, address the throng, and say in your loudest voice “I am a registered sex offender!”. Briefly explain to the congregation what you specifically did to land yourself in prison. Then just stop and scan the room. Don’t say a word. Just wait for their response. Go do that next Sunday and get back to us on how that went. Better yet, have someone videotape the whole thing so that we non-believers can “witness” your revelation. I look… Read more »

@Silly P

I don’t have to do that because those I currently worship with already know, accept me, and move on with me without judgement. Thanks for the reply though.

Here is the latest evidence of the hypocrite evangelical liers. Jerry Falwell caught lying and self-dealing. What a shit show:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/10/jerry-falwell-nightclub-photos-miami-228054
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/09/jerry-falwell-liberty-university-loans-227914

Lying hypocrite christian!

“That’s why I’m supporting Mani Grewal for Senate. He will continue to protect our children.”

Once again, the invoking of “our children” as an intentional fear mongering mechanism to garner cheap votes from the fleeced sheep. Such toxic and arrogant virtue-signaling. When you have nothing substantial to run on, you have to resort to attack ads using the “children in peril” card. Their ignorant base falls for it every time.

Critical thinking and religion goes together like water and oil.

Agreed. Self-righteous assholes pandering for votes from low IQ christian schmucks. It’s a toxic problem

P, now, now, we godless wouldn’t want to be thought churlish, would we? Let’s get our points across without aggression which is – from experience – not terribly persuasive anyway.

Christians are a real pain in the ass. Hypocrite assholes.

Thank you for attacking me, I am a Christian.

Well, the bad 90% give the rest of you a bad name. It’s unfortunate but it does seem to me that Christians (just the 90%) are some of the most awful people around. Just like most law enforcement.

Harry,
No need IMO to fret P as P knows in his heart the story of JC instructed the disciples in washing the feet of prostitutes and the unclean is truth. JC ate routinely with sinners and tax collectors and they were rarely pegans, they were Jews. Malcontents like myself & P grumble for social war ( mass FTR) and won’t be waiting on the Pharisees cause we think like Apostles fomenting for Roman blood.

Tim, This is what I know in my heart. Jesus Christ as the son of god is a myth. He did not perform miracles and there is no heaven as you know it. Religion is a vast hoax with zero evidence of its existence. Religion is the refuge of people who are afraid to simply die and cease to exist, like every other animal and plant on earth. The idea that a “god” somehow favors humans – embuing humans some special status – over other animal or plant life is just a bizarre fantasy. some ego-inflated human being thought this… Read more »

Perhaps you’d prefer to live in a predominantly Muslim country, say, Iran. Go be gay there and let us know how much less hypocritical they are toward gays. Indeed I’ll bet you find much less hypocrisy. When they say they’re going to publicly hang you for being gay, they’re actually going to hang you for being gay. I’m sure you’d prefer that over having to tolerate a bunch of a-hole Christians who could you so oppressed.

I have no idea what your point is. I will stipulate Iran is worse the the US. I will also point out that the majority of European countries are far more forgiving and tolerant of “sex offenders”. No public registries for one thing. Note: fewer people identify as christians in Europe than in US. There is another data point to consider for all the Christian apologists.

G. B., In a Muslim world where traditional women are covered ( with good intent as men are visually instinctive) we’d all be put to death.I’m Guilty of not. P seems to forget his beliefs are his and not of others. He has right to FTR same as all of us AND THAT made our founders geniuses. It matters not if America believes we’ve engaged in religious war that counts or matters; rather it is the belief of the adversarial party that counts, because they alone believe. Romans rarely attributed their wars to religion. They were capitalist warriors who prayed… Read more »

Well actually true Christians will forgive and pray with you and for you
Real Christians that is. The definition of Christian is ” to be Christ-like”. So if they claim to be Christians and dont forgive,love,pray,help, ect… All people then they are not Real Christians or i should say “Followers of Christ”. One thing i almost forgot to mention is why would the lgbtq need a law to not get punished for having consensual sex with a underage minor, that’s already illegal no matter how you look at.

I forgot to mention, that article said the bill would make it to where the lgbtq won’t get in trouble for having consensual sex with underage minor, that is illegal already no matter how how you look at it, if thats the case and it does pass, “ooh ooh i forgot to tell you judge im gay and belong to LGBTQ community” even though i am actually innocent for real and i found out there’s alot of innocent people and even people who’s crime have nothing to do with sex of ant nature on the registry. Like I’ve said ”… Read more »

I KNEW AS SOON AS I SAW that bitch Gonzalez listed there in Appro Comm that she would shit on us. Not only does she personally vendetta 290s she doesnt trust LGBTQI’s and when I noted she was Chair. I knew that she would squash or WHATever she could do to stop or dissapear Sen Wiener’s Bill she would. Had a GUT FEELING of illness today when we prep for Oak’s Pride Day, that there was an update here. Sure enough, and being the 1st to reply, found it to be true. Powered she does NOT deserve nor Earn to… Read more »

I’m sorry, I know that Janice, Chase, Senator Wiener and many people supported SB145….yes, current laws are discriminatory. But how about doing something really important….like a real concerted effort to throw Lorena Gonzalez out of office. I mean strategy sessions on the best means, I mean contributing some funds to whoever opposed this ( witch–insert very bad word here). I will further apologize but we don’t need SB145…we need a complete repeal of the entire rickety monstrosity that is the Registering of Human beings…after sentencing….for anything. What Wiener needs to submit is a bill that rips out the RSO laws… Read more »

@James – It was and continues to be important that ACSOL support SB 145 for several reasons. First, the author of SB 145 was also the author of the Tiered Registry Bill. He saved the Tiered Registry from doom after its first author dumped the bill so that he could run for state wide office. Second, many of the people on the registry are members of the LGBTQ community and we want to show our support for them. Third, we want to prevent people from being convicted of a sex offense that requires registration. Fourth, it’s the right thing to… Read more »

Except that straight couples ARE facing harsh penalties. I’m heterosexual, and what I was convicted of does NOT require registration but I was still forced to register under 290.006. It’s already an expunged misdemeanor yet I’m STILL forced to register. Like James, I, too, am not weeping for this bill.

@Janice Bellucci
doesn’t the scam 99 do the same to LGBTQ where it puts you in a higher bracket? maybe also attack the scam 99 also

Sorry, but while it helps some, I still maintain that the tiered registry is almost worthless. I have no victim, yet I was one of many who were moved from Tier 1 to Tier 3 at the last minute before it was passed. I don’t consider Wiener to be even close to being on our side when he did that. I can only hope that I’m able to get a CoR before this crapstorm that is the tiered registry kicks in.

“almost worthless”?? A tiered or un-tiered Registry is worthless. Is either less worthless than the other? What is your definition of “worthless” in your comment? If Registry A lists N people and Registry B lists .9N, seems you are saying Registry B “is almost worthless”. I don’t see how that definition would be affected by whether or not you personally are listed on it (or the circumstances around that). But very good luck to you getting off of the nonsense Registries ASAP, by any means. Not one person should be listed. Regarding anyone “being on our side”, I feel we… Read more »

James, “What Wiener needs to submit is a bill that rips out the RSO laws root and branch.” Why not do both, James? I don’t see it as an “either-or” choice. This is an issue where homosexual relations are clearly disadvantaged relative to heterosexual ones. That should be enough for us to identify the law as being discriminatory and unjust in that area, alone. There is an argument, frustrating as it is for those of us on this registry b.s. to accept, that the only way to attack the registry is gradually, trimming it back a little at a time.… Read more »

Why the gay community would hitch their sled to the Democratic Socialists in the first place is beyond me. The gay communities plight here is an example of how fast those folks would throw gays ( or any group) under the bus. The D’s are organized unions and lobby and their corporate accountants and lawyers. The reason IMHO D’s are bailing on you is the issue of ” marriage. That is identified by the general population as a bridge to far. The SCOTUS ruling on the issue has fomented a reaction not merely from the far right evangelical but also… Read more »

LGBT people are 3-5 times more likely to be prosecuted for sex offenses than their heterosexual peers for the same behavior. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/DAJ17_03Woods.pdf https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/8/05/injustice-how-sex-offender-registry-destroys-lgbtq-rights In March of 2019 I submitted a Public Records Request to the State of California, asking for information regarding the sexual orientation of registrants on Megan’s Law. Although they do not keep records of registrant sexual orientation per se, they do maintain records regarding gender. The state wrote: “As of March 27, 2019, of the 27,902 sex offender registration records with victim information in the registry’s database, the following offender-victim totals were identified: 24,346 offenses involved opposite… Read more »

@ P: Everyone is certainly entitled to their own beliefs, opinions, etc. My opinion is that you might want to do a little more historical research before suggesting that religion and any beliefs that go along with it are bullshit. Hundreds upon hundreds of ancient discoveries by scientists, archaeologists (many with no religious leanings, including atheists) that support, rather than negate, the existence of people, places, events, etc written about in the bible. Their evidence validates, over, and over, and over again, the historical accuracy of what is found in the bible. There have been numerous atheist scientists that have… Read more »

Religion is absolute nonsense. For every “scientist” that “does a 180”, there are dozens or hundreds more that see no credibility with religious indoctrination. Philosophically, it is great so keep going to church by all means! I mean who doesn’t like a good story with a happy ending, even it’s all make believe?! MY POINT IN ALL OF THESE RANTS is that so-called christians are not in-fact following the “good book” and “words of jesus” or whatever. The christians in political power in this country – the one’s subjecting “sex offenders” to extreme levels of despair – play their constituents… Read more »

I’ll bet Christmas sucks at your house. Or perhaps you celebrate Festivus as an alternative. Regardless, it takes a lot of faith to be an atheist.

@P: “For every “scientist” that “does a 180”, there are dozens or hundreds more that see no credibility with religious indoctrination.” —– So the number of people on one side or the other are what drive something being right or wrong, fact or fiction? If so, I don’t get why you have any problem with “[t]he christians in political power in this country”–because if they’re the greatest number, they surely must be right. If “everyone knows” RCs have a frightening and high recidivism rate, why bother challenging it? For how long did “everyone know” the sun revolved around the earth?… Read more »

At the risk of fawning, and I’ve told you before how much I appreciate you, this may be the best post yet. Since you won’t come to an ACSOL conference :), at least now I know I will meet you at some point. There will one day be a day of rejoicing!

@P: “Hypocrite christian assholes” —– Agreed. And? That some abuse and hide behind Christianity means Christianity is wrong or false?? Would atheists get your same disdain if they were doing this? Would they be hypocrites, too? Or do atheists get a pass on morals and kindness to other humans? Would you support them if it were the Church of Satan being charged? I would think you should, since they would be living as their “god” wants. They certainly couldn’t be hypocrites, could they? I’ve long pointed out that man has been killing man in the name of god/God for millennia.… Read more »

The database machines infrastructure is already here sir. There will be no going back. See MI. Discrimination is occurring yes but that is hardly unusual in any culture. Being gay does not impart a pension for violence nor human immorality on its own as it use to. If anything it is the liberty of penis that most offends and frightens the world. The gay community has brought themselves so far I to acceptance but one must still leave room for others to their pace of change. Ultimately we libertarian believers and agnostics will do more than merely tolerate homosex we… Read more »

Sunny,
I’ve read your post several times. You are so correct in pointing out the generic version of broadcasts. Texas specifically rejected that aspect precisely because of efficacy LOST by it! It was the lack of judicial determination of individual assessment need by facts.
While state avoids ” Dangerousness ” as necessary it may not duck the need for evidence.

Aside from this bill, are there any attempts to to outlaw or reconfigure the static-99 assessment of 290s upon prison release, bc homosexuals are immediately given a higher risk assessment.

I’ll take it even farther than that. The static 99-r says risk level half after a set number of years, so why use the static-99r if they’re not going to ignore part of it when it benefits the people labeled by it!!!???

@Agen…
Sure that way the union socialists avoid accountability by providing proxy cover to law by administrative rule. Without the necessary discriminatory text in situ no real argument can be formed. That being a layer serving insularity to the state actor (agent) and the people’s wrath ( principal) and tort.

From my experience the media distorts facts and sensationalizes headlines. Why are we getting off topic with the media statement…”The move was cheered by anti-LGBTQ Christians. “ Has not everyone on our registry been listed or labeled by the media distortion as some sort of Preying Monster? Bottom line is a true Christian will not judge others; and understands how to forgive 70×7 times (Matthew 18:22). Any person claiming to be Christian and does not understand this (among many other things in scripture) are not and should not call themselves a Christian.

Laure, I agree with you. Evangelical christians are simply homophobic assholes who wish to demonize anyone who does not look like or conform to their own worldview. The pretense that the religious right was motivated by faith and morality was dropped — or should have been — when white evangelicals flocked to vote for Trump, a thrice-married chronic adulterer who has bragged about sexual assault on tape. Here’s the thing: The real purpose of the Christian conservative movement is to uphold white supremacy and patriarchy, full stop. Take this latest controversy with the Falwell I reference above. The elder Jerry… Read more »

Have to say I completely agree with that. But of course that does not mean that all people who call them Christian are bad people. Some of them are decent. But these “evangelicals” are destroying them. You forgot about PABOTUS’ problem with lying though. It is a HUGE problem to have a president that thinks it is okay to lie to U.S. citizens. Frankly, I have no idea how any decent person can think he is an acceptable president or a leader in any way. I don’t care about any skills he does or doesn’t have, that’s not relevant to… Read more »

I personally don’t agree with the bill at all!! If your gay and molest/or have sex with an underage boy, it’s ok? Yet, if your a man who is straight and has sex with an underage girl? Geez

There is currently a law that allows a person to plead to a misdemeanor and avoid registry if they are caught having a consensual, heterosexual relationship with someone within 9 years of their age (if the person is older than 14).

However their is no such stipulation for someone in a homosexual relationship under the same circumstances. SB 145 would fix that discrepancy, not condone such a relationship.

and original SB145 included presence restrictions..of course Janice stopped that and this is what might have killed the bill..

That’s not what this bill does. Right now (making these numbers up), if you’re a man and you’re involved with an underage female you get 1 year behind bars. If you’re a man and you’re involved with an underage male you get 1 year plus 6 months. The rational for this was because if you’re straight but have same-sex victims, that implies you’re more predatory (you just want to get your fix and you don’t care with whom). But for gay men having same-sex victim is the same as for men having opposite-sex victim. This bill was supposed to clear… Read more »

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