For those of you still following this thread: I went today to register (I am a 2009 offense date Tier 3) and pay my $50.00 at the Metro State Police Post in Oak Park. I was told that not only did I not have to pay, I no longer needed to register. (For the time being) Out of curiosity, I checked the register but it is down at this time.
TnT
Guest
March 11, 2020 11:29 am
People we still need to remember that we ARE still citizens who VOTE and 250,000 votes does matter in the elections in this state , pay very close attention to this watch who is trying too force these unconstitutional laws against the citizens of this state, The people on this registry MUST vote , Make a difference . Write letters and stand up for what is right, express the damage this registry has done to not just you but everyone around you , NOT just sit back and say what can we do, I have been writing these fools for over 25 years , It hasn’t seem to help but if 250,000 people start … it WILL… write the governor , state reps , attorney general , let them know they are not only impacting us but our families as well .This registry causes no benefit it only Disables and allows HATE , Once a person serves their time they were given they should have the opportunity to reform to correct , Not just forever be a lost walking soul on this earth. Michigan is a sick place to think what they have done can still retroactively be applied to thousands in most cases years after a conviction , People Wake up it may take a 250,0000 registrant march or bring one family member half million on Lansings Capital steps to stop these dirty b@stards .Maybe even carry signs on the front sidewalks of their homes for a few weeks day and night ? See how fast it changes then .See how they and their families like being F%*ked with . Not to mention the yoyo B.S they are pulling now , You donnt have to register this month but you better come back again and see if you have too next time? or else ????? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT ??
LJT
Guest
March 13, 2020 10:01 am
Any updates?
Dunc
Guest
March 16, 2020 8:08 am
I went to register today, hoping that they would say “Sorry no verification for you”. I live in Ionia, Mi
and they said they havent heard anything yet. So I had to register and dole out another $50.00
Kind of pissed me off, but used to it. My conviction date was in 1987.
Hopefully changes are coming soon
Well Everyone, I was bored and asked Tim P. from the ACLU a few questions , though not all questions were answered, he did send this very short answer, paragraph, I will let you interpret it your own way so here it is
Bobby everything is on hold right now. As for your 25 years you have to understand that the bill was so poorly written that it is not clear as to many areas and also in some places it says one thing and in others it says something else.
Well is all he write back, so don’t think the 27th with the Judge and a Judgment is going to happen, any one have any thoughts on this short response.
David
Guest
March 25, 2020 12:58 pm
Thanks for posting that brief ACLU response, Bobby. Those MI lawmakers are a joke.
How many are educated as lawyers and yet none seems to be familiar with the concept “void for vagueness”?
Just thought you all would like to know what’s up with the Betts case.
Nick
Guest
March 26, 2020 5:24 pm
Bobby S…don’t know what I’m doing wrong but I can’t get the link to come up. Can you tell me what the latest was on the Betz case?
Thanks
Bobby S.
Guest
March 28, 2020 10:59 am
@Josh,
I know this is going to sound dumb, but can you please elaborate on what the Judge meant about firm orders, and what this memorandum is that the parties have to come up with by Monday.
I just hope that all this finally means this is coming to an end. Thank you Josh for the update, very much appreciate it.
Nick
Guest
March 28, 2020 12:44 pm
@Josh. Yes..thank you very much for the update. If possible could you please elaborate?
BM
Guest
March 28, 2020 3:08 pm
Everyone this is exactly what the order states:
On March 26, 2020, the court held a telephonic status conference to discuss how this case should proceed with the entry of judgment and distribution of notices in light of the practical limitations created by the current COVID-19 pandemic and a declaration of a state of emergency at both the national and state levels. The parties were in agreement that the initial deadlines outlined in the court’s February 14, 2020 opinion and order are no longer feasible based on the currently strained administrative resources of law enforcement, significantly hobbled in responding to the pandemic.
Under the existing circumstances, the parties agree that the court should defer entry of final judgment in this case and also agree that additional direction from the court is needed. However, the parties disagree as to the precise substance of that direction.
Following a series of telephone organizational conferences with the court, each side has drafted and exchanged with opposing counsel a proposed interim order addressing how this case should proceed during the present state of emergency. As
discussed during the telephone conference of March 26, 2020, the court will direct the parties to present their proposed orders as exhibits to concise memoranda (one memorandum per side) in which the parties explain the basis for their position and offer a critique of the proposed order of the opposing side. The attached proposed orders should be clearly labeled as proposed orders. The court will review and carefully consider these competing memoranda and will ultimately enter its own order providing further guidance in this case. Accordingly
IT IS ORDERED that each side FILE a memorandum on the docket, with a proposed order as an attachment, no later than the close of business on March 30, 2020.
CondusedMan
Guest
March 28, 2020 4:59 pm
How much good will did OJs lawyers have? It’s been bloody YEARS, justice is an absolute joke in this country. I can’t believe these people get paychecks while so many Michiganders are on furlough or just completely lost their jobs. Utterly useless American government. Whitmer put more people out of work than anyone else in Michigan history—and made more people lose their health insurance to boot! The ACLU cares about boys playing girls sports, they don’t care about actual civil rights (like shutting churches down with a stroke of a pen!).
TnT
Guest
March 28, 2020 6:22 pm
Michigan full of S%$t !!! I knew it would be something too prevent them from Fixing this Unconstitutional B.S law this is been going on for over 25 years kicking the can , I have never seen more B.S in my life .
Michigan You Suck !
Warpath
Guest
March 29, 2020 8:06 am
I will be patient. It does my heart good to know that all that are working on this as well as everyone else is cooped up in there homes for the interim.
James Kapp
Guest
March 29, 2020 10:39 am
Is there any change on the lifetime requirement for the pre-2006 registration
Blake
Guest
March 30, 2020 2:32 pm
So I have pacer and looked at both responses. Be prepared to see how messed up Michigan is.
Aclu.
They want relief for us during the pandemic so we dont get charged for violating the unconstitutional registry. They had over a 30 page response.
Michigan
They want us to have no relief during this period. Plus that bill that’s before the judiciary committee is the bill the state of Michigan is wanting to use.
They had only 6 pages and all of it was making excuses.
They also had a very nasty comment.
They basically said with the wording
Letting sex offenders do whatever they want want during the pandemic is going against public safety. yes they literally call everyone on the list a sex offender and said all 44k are a threat to public safety.
Just letting everyone know. Once I know the judges judge’s decision I’ll let everyone know
TnT
Guest
March 30, 2020 3:23 pm
@Blake … Doesn’t surprise me one bit… These Politicians are Dirty Mofoers , Lets just hope the judge sees threw the smoke and does what is right & ( Constitutional ) ( SOONER THEN LATER ) I wouldn’t have expected nothing less out of this states politicians we are the problem NOT the fact they are KILLING God knows how many of their own people as they fight to keep a unconstitutional registry ALIVE but killing the citizens by failing our country at EVERY level . Sad but True ! That’s why I DONNT give a F*%k it they get what they deserve they can run but cant hide from the Virus THEY SPREAD , Can only hope they feel the pain of being locked in the house, not being able to be social not being able to be normal , Finally they will feel our pain we live with for the last 25 years. Michigan Politicians You Suck ! 🙂
BM
Guest
March 30, 2020 4:20 pm
EVERYONE PLEASE READ AND REGISTER!
Just received this email from Tim at ACLU:
This is very bad legislation and we need your help to stop it. Tim
You are invited to a Zoom webinar.
When: Apr 3, 2020 12:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
Topic: SORA Legal and Legislative Update and Call to Action
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.
Just a note that pre-registration is requiring a name & email address
Respectfully Tim P ACLU of Michigan SOR Specialist
BB
Guest
March 30, 2020 6:48 pm
In Michigan. If you were convicted before 2011, do you still have to register?
Nick
Guest
March 31, 2020 2:57 pm
So now we have the 60 day waiting period? Any idea what to expect or hope for next?
Ramps
Guest
April 1, 2020 11:34 am
I just called MSP in Mt Pleasant and asked about reporting, if my case was before 2011. The Officer sound pretty knowledgeable and it. He told me, I dont have to report anymore if my case was before 2011. WOW!
Ron
Guest
April 1, 2020 8:17 pm
Does anyone know when they will let us know of the new requirements of registering?
Bobby S.
Guest
April 3, 2020 10:51 am
@all Michigan
Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understood, and the parts I am concerned with along with many others in the same boat as I am is this, all pre 2011 registrants will eventually be removed ,unless your conviction was after 2006 but before 2011, you will still have to follow 2006 amendments, but NOT 2011 amendments. Those of us that are pre-2006 and 2011 will come off , and those of us that are even pre-registry, meaning before the registry even existed, will definitely be removed, as soon as the injunction is put into place or a new law is written, either way we have to try and be patient, and we will eventually come of the registry sound about right, again correct me if I misunderstood anything, Thanks in advance.
Tom
Guest
April 3, 2020 12:30 pm
According to the zoom conference today, this will be delayed for 6 months or more due to the virus. We all know the pandemic isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I would’ve thought the legislature would work remote from home on these issues. This will all probably get resolved in early 2021.
For those of you still following this thread: I went today to register (I am a 2009 offense date Tier 3) and pay my $50.00 at the Metro State Police Post in Oak Park. I was told that not only did I not have to pay, I no longer needed to register. (For the time being) Out of curiosity, I checked the register but it is down at this time.
People we still need to remember that we ARE still citizens who VOTE and 250,000 votes does matter in the elections in this state , pay very close attention to this watch who is trying too force these unconstitutional laws against the citizens of this state, The people on this registry MUST vote , Make a difference . Write letters and stand up for what is right, express the damage this registry has done to not just you but everyone around you , NOT just sit back and say what can we do, I have been writing these fools for over 25 years , It hasn’t seem to help but if 250,000 people start … it WILL… write the governor , state reps , attorney general , let them know they are not only impacting us but our families as well .This registry causes no benefit it only Disables and allows HATE , Once a person serves their time they were given they should have the opportunity to reform to correct , Not just forever be a lost walking soul on this earth. Michigan is a sick place to think what they have done can still retroactively be applied to thousands in most cases years after a conviction , People Wake up it may take a 250,0000 registrant march or bring one family member half million on Lansings Capital steps to stop these dirty b@stards .Maybe even carry signs on the front sidewalks of their homes for a few weeks day and night ? See how fast it changes then .See how they and their families like being F%*ked with . Not to mention the yoyo B.S they are pulling now , You donnt have to register this month but you better come back again and see if you have too next time? or else ????? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT ??
Any updates?
I went to register today, hoping that they would say “Sorry no verification for you”. I live in Ionia, Mi
and they said they havent heard anything yet. So I had to register and dole out another $50.00
Kind of pissed me off, but used to it. My conviction date was in 1987.
Hopefully changes are coming soon
Still not passed as far as I can tell, wasn’t even introduced into state house or senate til the 17th of March. Not passed still as of today.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2019-2020/billintroduced/House/pdf/2020-HIB-5679.pdf
Well Everyone, I was bored and asked Tim P. from the ACLU a few questions , though not all questions were answered, he did send this very short answer, paragraph, I will let you interpret it your own way so here it is
Bobby everything is on hold right now. As for your 25 years you have to understand that the bill was so poorly written that it is not clear as to many areas and also in some places it says one thing and in others it says something else.
Well is all he write back, so don’t think the 27th with the Judge and a Judgment is going to happen, any one have any thoughts on this short response.
Thanks for posting that brief ACLU response, Bobby. Those MI lawmakers are a joke.
How many are educated as lawyers and yet none seems to be familiar with the concept “void for vagueness”?
I just got this through an email concerning Betts
http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov/SCT/PUBLIC/ORDERS/148981_64_01.pdf
Just thought you all would like to know what’s up with the Betts case.
Bobby S…don’t know what I’m doing wrong but I can’t get the link to come up. Can you tell me what the latest was on the Betz case?
Thanks
@Josh,
I know this is going to sound dumb, but can you please elaborate on what the Judge meant about firm orders, and what this memorandum is that the parties have to come up with by Monday.
I just hope that all this finally means this is coming to an end. Thank you Josh for the update, very much appreciate it.
@Josh. Yes..thank you very much for the update. If possible could you please elaborate?
Everyone this is exactly what the order states:
On March 26, 2020, the court held a telephonic status conference to discuss how this case should proceed with the entry of judgment and distribution of notices in light of the practical limitations created by the current COVID-19 pandemic and a declaration of a state of emergency at both the national and state levels. The parties were in agreement that the initial deadlines outlined in the court’s February 14, 2020 opinion and order are no longer feasible based on the currently strained administrative resources of law enforcement, significantly hobbled in responding to the pandemic.
Under the existing circumstances, the parties agree that the court should defer entry of final judgment in this case and also agree that additional direction from the court is needed. However, the parties disagree as to the precise substance of that direction.
Following a series of telephone organizational conferences with the court, each side has drafted and exchanged with opposing counsel a proposed interim order addressing how this case should proceed during the present state of emergency. As
discussed during the telephone conference of March 26, 2020, the court will direct the parties to present their proposed orders as exhibits to concise memoranda (one memorandum per side) in which the parties explain the basis for their position and offer a critique of the proposed order of the opposing side. The attached proposed orders should be clearly labeled as proposed orders. The court will review and carefully consider these competing memoranda and will ultimately enter its own order providing further guidance in this case. Accordingly
IT IS ORDERED that each side FILE a memorandum on the docket, with a proposed order as an attachment, no later than the close of business on March 30, 2020.
How much good will did OJs lawyers have? It’s been bloody YEARS, justice is an absolute joke in this country. I can’t believe these people get paychecks while so many Michiganders are on furlough or just completely lost their jobs. Utterly useless American government. Whitmer put more people out of work than anyone else in Michigan history—and made more people lose their health insurance to boot! The ACLU cares about boys playing girls sports, they don’t care about actual civil rights (like shutting churches down with a stroke of a pen!).
Michigan full of S%$t !!! I knew it would be something too prevent them from Fixing this Unconstitutional B.S law this is been going on for over 25 years kicking the can , I have never seen more B.S in my life .
Michigan You Suck !
I will be patient. It does my heart good to know that all that are working on this as well as everyone else is cooped up in there homes for the interim.
Is there any change on the lifetime requirement for the pre-2006 registration
So I have pacer and looked at both responses. Be prepared to see how messed up Michigan is.
Aclu.
They want relief for us during the pandemic so we dont get charged for violating the unconstitutional registry. They had over a 30 page response.
Michigan
They want us to have no relief during this period. Plus that bill that’s before the judiciary committee is the bill the state of Michigan is wanting to use.
They had only 6 pages and all of it was making excuses.
They also had a very nasty comment.
They basically said with the wording
Letting sex offenders do whatever they want want during the pandemic is going against public safety. yes they literally call everyone on the list a sex offender and said all 44k are a threat to public safety.
Just letting everyone know. Once I know the judges judge’s decision I’ll let everyone know
@Blake … Doesn’t surprise me one bit… These Politicians are Dirty Mofoers , Lets just hope the judge sees threw the smoke and does what is right & ( Constitutional ) ( SOONER THEN LATER ) I wouldn’t have expected nothing less out of this states politicians we are the problem NOT the fact they are KILLING God knows how many of their own people as they fight to keep a unconstitutional registry ALIVE but killing the citizens by failing our country at EVERY level . Sad but True ! That’s why I DONNT give a F*%k it they get what they deserve they can run but cant hide from the Virus THEY SPREAD , Can only hope they feel the pain of being locked in the house, not being able to be social not being able to be normal , Finally they will feel our pain we live with for the last 25 years. Michigan Politicians You Suck ! 🙂
EVERYONE PLEASE READ AND REGISTER!
Just received this email from Tim at ACLU:
This is very bad legislation and we need your help to stop it. Tim
You are invited to a Zoom webinar.
When: Apr 3, 2020 12:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
Topic: SORA Legal and Legislative Update and Call to Action
Register in advance for this webinar:
https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_cvyc9sFVSnev4wTR1ViB8A
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar.
Just a note that pre-registration is requiring a name & email address
Respectfully Tim P ACLU of Michigan SOR Specialist
In Michigan. If you were convicted before 2011, do you still have to register?
So now we have the 60 day waiting period? Any idea what to expect or hope for next?
I just called MSP in Mt Pleasant and asked about reporting, if my case was before 2011. The Officer sound pretty knowledgeable and it. He told me, I dont have to report anymore if my case was before 2011. WOW!
Does anyone know when they will let us know of the new requirements of registering?
@all Michigan
Please correct me if I am wrong, but from what I understood, and the parts I am concerned with along with many others in the same boat as I am is this, all pre 2011 registrants will eventually be removed ,unless your conviction was after 2006 but before 2011, you will still have to follow 2006 amendments, but NOT 2011 amendments. Those of us that are pre-2006 and 2011 will come off , and those of us that are even pre-registry, meaning before the registry even existed, will definitely be removed, as soon as the injunction is put into place or a new law is written, either way we have to try and be patient, and we will eventually come of the registry sound about right, again correct me if I misunderstood anything, Thanks in advance.
According to the zoom conference today, this will be delayed for 6 months or more due to the virus. We all know the pandemic isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I would’ve thought the legislature would work remote from home on these issues. This will all probably get resolved in early 2021.