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CA: 2020 Ballot Initiative to Repeal Justice Reform Would Come at a High Cost

A new report from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice (CJCJ) analyzes a November 2020 ballot measure that seeks to roll back key elements of recent justice reforms, including Public Safety Realignment, Prop 47, and Prop 57. As California continues to disproportionately arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate Black, Indigenous, and Latino people, this proposal will particularly harm communities of color. Full Article

Report – CJCJ – June 2020

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Given the current climate, this bill seems less likely to pass. But what’s probably really going to kill it is that price tag.

Opponents of this bill need to highlight that none of these people are getting out automatically. They just have a chance to go up before the parole board who’ll have the final say. This bill would remove their ability to consider the person regardless of what the actual crime was and the persons effort to rehab themselves.

@ Russ, SR, USA and many of you guys its obvious that many need to stand up speak out in public and address this and I’m sure all races would benefit. Do we all do stink’n think’n? Sure we do, or do two wrongs always make a right. Should we all examine this. Sure I myself have two more years left to go on my probation but from hearing some of the view’s on here and many other issues that government seems to paint something isn’t right or whats black and white today in this color blind world.

Look at this pandermic here today. Is that right or can anyone honestly tell why its here or would they have to use some high teck computer to feed in the information and come out with an educated guess. I even thought computers were either garbage in or garbage out or are kids today learning their ABC’s from computer science. Growing up I loved the Jefferson’s, Standford and Son’s many of those sit-coms even Gomor pyle and Sargent Carter or night court. Sure Gomer had a beautiful voice but who knew his other life. While that is another matter the registry is the real matter.

Has the registry done any good for me, you, or anyone else. Guess its how you look at it but in all it hasn’t did anyone any good. Tell me is the registry more of a burden on you or the family members in yoru family. I don’t have any mom and dad and only a sister here.The others are in other states. Sure I have some black friends and some white and yes respect goes a long ways. In other words we are all Gods’ children. Today I doubt if people get involved in many things without a reason, Some people join the Elks Clubs and other organizations for a reason. Course I never heard of the Water Buffalo Lodge but I’m sure there are a lot of side steps in life. Does this registry test the spirits or try ones carnal nature?

Even Satan can be a Christian with false promises or who is holding a choke hold on you or me or anyone on here. Sure I’ve gone thru this since 2012 and many of you all even longer. My dad always use to say to me “Strike while the anvil is hot” and if women are steping up for the offender than that’s a plus, but do women feel the emotions like a man does in a biblical way with this transgression. I’m sure its time to say”STOP INTERNET SEX OFFENDER LAWS”.
Sure women have their own character faults just the same as others but who doesn’t have character faults today. All I’m saying is this sex offender is keeping many in slavery thats all. Authorities can be so unjust many times wtthout understand their own selves.

@Saddles Glad to hear you’ll be off paper in two years. It’s nothing but a leash and a collar around our necks. I appreciate your faith, although I lost mine decades ago. I grew up in the church on gospel music and backyard barbeques, but I’ll never return to Huntsville. As soon as I step foot back into Alabama, they’ll stick a large pitchfork into my heart just for being a registered sex offender. My hatred for evangelicals and hypocrites who distort and politicize the Bible, is one reason I left the south and lost my faith. Where I’m at is not much better but at least it’s tolerable (although I plan to get the fuck up outta here when I’m off parole in 2 years) I know folks on this forum joke about you. But thru all the chaos of some of your comments, I get what you’re saying. I see you as a man of compassion & tolerance who knows the true meaning of the gospels-they’re not about fear hatred, or the interpretation of depraved evangelical psychopaths. I lost my faith but perhaps good people of faith, like yourself, may lead me back to it some day. Thank you, Saddles.

California has a lot of problems due too its single party majority making it easy to pass a lot of bad legislation. This election is a big problem as well as Biden is really only setting the country up for his VP pick and if current conditions are any indicator of who that might be…well then the country is in grave danger.

Already with what’s happened in the last 20 years it’s been increasingly difficult to defend sex offense cases and that’s only going to get worse. Much of California’s bad legislation has already spread to other states including the anti-self defense Marsy’s Law. So you’re looking at a time where possibly public defenders will be a thing of the past. Which is terrible given that the system was built to be predatory against the accused. Many people who don’t understand law or what’s happening to them will get railroaded including innocent people, while the district attorneys and police get to manipulate the system to their gain.

All this gets worse if the current “racial justice” media fodder keeps people distracted and they vote Democrat.

@W You don’t know what your ‘re talking about. One thing most a Californians have in common on this forum is they did no prison time. Get convicted of the same sex offense in most of these conservative republican southern states, not only are you going to prison, but you’re also going on the sex offender list AND you may have the word “sex offender” plastered on your drivers license like they do in Alabama and soon to be Oklahoma. And oh, how’s that 2000 ft residency restriction working out in the one party GOP controlled state of Florida? Like living under a bridge much? At least California has learned from its mistakes and courts have ruled in favor of registrants, but if you think things are better in these GOP run southern and midwestern states, I dare you to go try them out.


I don’t know where you get your info about Californian’s not getting prison time but I just did 8 1/2 years for CP charges. I was in a halfway house with nearly a dozen guys on various sex offense cases. Before the Pandemic I sat in therapy sessions with 7 guys, most of them on CP charges.

I remember during prison meeting many Californian inmates on various CP charges. California still has problems considering that we have 100,000 Registrants living here. Not to mention that coming 2021, Registrants with CP charges that were originally tier 1 and 2 will then become tier 3.

The only reason CA is not like Florida is because of Janice and Chance’s filing of lawsuits against various counties to take back the residency restrictions and such.

@Bill I get my info from here, plus its in the California statue. You’re not going to prison in CA for a first time wobbler cp possession offense, you’re just not, especially after the prison deovercrowding order. The vast majority of Californians on this forum with cp offenses speak in terms of not doing prison time. You’re the exception, and if you did 8.5 years for a non-federal cp offense Cali, you had a whole lot of other stuff going like priors and secondary crimes, contact with victims. The other states Im talkin about dont give 2nd chances to even first time offenders. Get convicted in AZ with cp on your computer-mandatory 10 yrs in prison. Damn! And there’s people doing life for file sharing in Florida. Janice is great, but lawyers are as only as good as the courts and everyone knows-especially after Brock Turner-California courts are I should say more “liberal” than the national average. Florida has its advocates too but the reason why the Florida Action Comittee can’t make headway is because their courts are stacked by conservatives. Cali can be hard but at least it gives second chances. All this business CORs, expungments and the like, I never hear people from other states talking about that.

@Bill The California residential restrictions applied to parolees only. The Florida ordinance apply to ALL registered sex offenders. Amazing Floridians like Gail Colletta of FAC continue to fight, but like Pres Obama used to say at election time, she needs a legislature to work with in Florida.The California ordinances have come and gone over the time Florida has an continues to have their severe residence ordinances

311.11 (CP Possession) hasn’t been a wobbler for about 5 years now. It’s straight felony. And it always had the option of being charged as a felony with a prison sentence. It really depended on how many images you had, what they were, and most importantly, how aggressive the DA and judge are. There are people who did a lot of time in prison for it as well as people who’ve never had to step a foot behind a cell. One guy in our group never had to do time and had 3 years or probation. He was convicted in the Bay Area. Another guy in our group did over 6 months and 5 years of probation. He was convicted in southern CA and had his case transferred after release (that’s why he was in our group). CP possession has been treated more and more harshly over the years as evident by the fact that it was specifically moved to Tier 3 from Tier 1 for the upcoming tiered system. And that more and more states are even prosecuting minors for it despite the fact they’re guilty of being their own victim, ie taking a nude selfie.

@SR I agree with most what you said but like the fella said, something else must have been going on if someone spent years in a California prison only for having cp on their computer, especially when they’re letting non violent offenders out because of the court order against prison overcrowding in the state. I always tell my story on this forum about commiting my one and only crimminal offense in 50 years, and that was having a handful deleted cp videos on my computer, no file sharing or googling child pornography was involved, yet I got hit with a mandatory minimum 3 year prison sentence. That never would have happened if I was living in California, no matter how bad of a day the DA was having. The fact that cp possession even a misdemeanor 5 years ago shows that California is more lenient than other states where its always (except Iowa) a felony. I’ve been coming to this forum for nearly two years hearing California people talk about their child pornography possession convictions, but I rarely heard prison or even jail mentioned until today after someone said imprisonment doesn’t happen for first timers, which is interesting.


You have not taken into account the CP Federal cases that takes place in CA. I’ve had no priors before this case. I’ve met and known many people from CA doing time for CP. I know one that’s doing 20 years for the same charges and he had no priors.

Your info is incomplete.

@Bill If you did 8.5 years in the federal pen, you either were distributing or doing something worst. The feds slap a 5 year mandatory minimum prison sentence on people who distribute. There’s no federal mandatory minimum for possession. The feds usually kick possession cases back to the state, and first time offenders (unless you had a shitload of cp on your computer) in California convicted on the lowest level for possession at maximum get 6 months in jail. So you had to have been doing something else. There’s more to your story. No one does 8.5 years in a California state prison for mere first offense cp possession, but they will do prison time in most states outside of Cali, especially in the south where the conservative political environment is more hostile toward sex crimes. That was my original point to the OP before you jumped in tn try and defend him


Again you err on the side of presumption. My charge was Conspiracy to Advertise, Transport, Receive, Distribute, Solicit, and Possess Pornography in violation of 18 U.S.C. subsection 2251 (d((1)(A), (e), subsection 2252A (A), (b)(1), (b)(2).

It was the I.C.E. agency that pressed charges against me.

I had no priors and my case was no different than anyone else’s in looking for CP and trading with others. I made no contact with minors of any kind.

Is that clear?

My case was in 2009 when judges were passing out long sentences for CP cases. To be more forthcoming my sentence was one of the least longest compared to others in Fed cases that involve CP. Others got 11 to 20 years.

Over the years after I was convicted I met other inmates coming in with similar charges with less and less time to serve. Why that is…I can only speculate.

Btw, I was not defending whoever that was you were debating with. I was just pointing out a glaring error in your assertion that Californians with CP charges don’t do time. That was all.


An error on my part. I meant:

“Conspiracy to Advertise, Transport, Receive, Distribute, Solicit, and Possess CHILD Pornography”

@Bill That’s a lot of charges, but I won’t get into or judge whether you were guilty or not of them. But you could have saved the whole back and forth if you fully understood what he was talking about. Obviously he wasn’t talking about federal law or the state prison system. You could have served your sentence at any federal pen in the country. State law is different than federal law (that shouldn’t have to be explained) What the feds did to you wasn’t a reflection of California law or the values of their state. The feds imposed the death penalty on the Boston marathon bomber although the state of Massachusetts doesn’t have capital punishment, so their lawmakers & citizens were outraged by the federal sentence. The OP was talking about state law, California law & California legislators.


All that was only one charge. That’s how the Feds roll.

And yes I know the difference between Federal and State charges having been through the whole process from beginning to end. This whole back and forth began with your comment:

“One thing most a Californians have in common on this forum is they did no prison time. ”

I don’t know how true that is for State cases in CA but I know that is absolutely untrue for Federal cases in CA. My point is that the values of this state will not protect you in Federal Court even if it’s taking place in CA. And yes there are Federal Prisons in this golden state as well.

The debate you were having with whoever that was…was irrelevant. I just saw that comment as untrue.


One more correction:

Federal inmates with CP charges go to a Low and not a Penitentiary (Medium) unless you have victims in your case.

@Bill Fair enough. We’ll just leave it at a misunderstanding. For what it’s worth, I think it’s terrible you served that much time for a no contact offense, but that’s a whole other topic on how we should reform these cp laws.

@ Jax

Fair enough, I can see that other states are more strict than CA. But it’s definitely not perfect and furthermore there are opportunistic politicians sneaking a few bad laws for every one good law. It’s not that CA learned their lessons but that they’re creative. They’ll make just enough concessions so that the bulk of their system stays in tact. Any opposition to that system is always met with “buh buh buh support victims”. The old cloak and dagger since to be pro-victim is to be anti-offender.

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