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This was posted on my neighborhood’s NextDoor app: “Database Map of Local Registered Sex Offenders: Might be worthwhile to check the database to see who your neighbors are, especially if you have kids. Kind of horrifying.

https://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp 

It’s inaccurate. It does not include me.

Link doesn’t exist anymore.

There are some extra characters in the original URL posted. Try this:
https://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

@ Jason: I just used the link that I posted and it worked fine. I just had to enter a zip code. Then you can tap on the little map pins and it will show a person’s photo & information.

Nothing screams Orwell’s dystopia more than these maps.
It looks like parts of Los Angeles have a registered person in every street corner.

Good. The more of us there are, the more trivial that information becomes. Eventually it will become white noise.

I thought if you were taken off the public registry, these sites weren’t allowed to post either.

Questions.
1. Is there any update on the american law institute? If I remember some months ago they where deciding on things like cp charges and if the registry should be public.
2. Are their any cases challenging the registry heading to the supreme court by any chance? Or any in the work?
If so do they need support or how could we support them, rather with letters or financially?

If I remember correctly, the ALI meeting is in June.

@ Anklebiter: There was something posted on this website about ALI about a month ago. But now I can’t find it. Sorry. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@David/Anklebiter/Ed C

https://www.ali.org/meetings/show/98-annual-meeting/

May 17-18 and Jun 7-8

Has any one got threatening phone calls lately . I recived a call , yesterday , from a man saying he was from a agencey that was up-dating my sex offender regerstration . I don’t hear well , so I always have the phone on speaker , and I was in Cosco , And the guy had a mexican acceny ,So I did’nt hear everything he said. I went out side , and ask who he was , I didn’t understand what he said, but Soon told him he was full of shit , He says I’m being watched as we speak, and I was going to be killed in my car.. The conversation went down hill from there.
I have been on the registory for many years , I’ve never recived a call like this , from an unknown caller, I think it was a scam of some type , I don’t know. I don’t know how they got my phone number.
I’m I the only one , or is this bull shit going around lately ?

Every form of imaginable scam is on the phone, scum bags selling phone lists back and forth. I’ve gotten numerous calls from bogus IRS, detectives and such, but never concerning the registry. None of these legitimate organizations are going to contact you by phone like that. Hang up, block the number. Since he threatened you I would give the number to police. I think there is a web link for abusive calls, maybe ask Janice, but don’t let it bother you, this is the new age of the open information. It is amazing how the feds can track down an individual in the middle of large city that viewed a few pics and go right ot his house, but they can’t seem to stop these scammers. The IRS did have a notice out about bogus calls. We on the registry are even more at risk of this. He was just a lying low life piece of trash looking for a scam, typical. Really sad age we are in.

There have been reported incidents of registrants getting calls from the “police” in regards to their registrations and all of them are scams to get money. The actual police will never ask for money over the phone – just so you know.

Don’t worry, it was pure bullshit. I’ve gotten those calls, too, and even my elderly father got one a couple of years ago about me. Worried he’d get scammed out of a few thousand bucks by these pieces of shit, I called the phone company and had them block all numbers except a list of family and friends.

I remember within the last couple of years the cops arrested some people for running the phone scam on registrants. It was posted here but I can’t find the article anymore.

Anyway, check out YouTube for some awesome videos of hackers who turn the tables on these scammers and royally fuck with them. My kids and I have fun with the them, too, on a G-rated level, of course.

I got a scam call last month. Caller identified himself as a law enforcement officer…needed a DNA sample… didn’t I get the summons they sent me?, blah, blah, blah.
He was fake, but BEWARE – he sounded very authentic. He wasn’t genuine, but he was very convincing. Probably a flunky ex-LEO!

Got the same call…twice. The guy sounds very legit and does not back down. First clue it was a scam, he tries to keep you on the phone and engaged. I put him on hold and called my P.O. The P.O. had me tie him into the call.. P.O. asked him who he worked for and had him give an email address. He spewed out Orange County Sheriff. The email address did not end with “.gov”. That’s how he knew the guy was a scammer. The guy was very bold and did not scare by talking to the P.O. Pretty scary.

Next time, tell him you gave his mother “DNA sample” last night. He can get it from her.

Hey, oooooh…! <rim shot>

I’ll show myself out, thanks.

We need to be involved in groups working to change the criminal justice system, like Critical Resistance and DSA, to be sure their efforts include RSOs.

Different buy similar.
I found an email in my spam from someone whose name I know asking if I had some girl, with a link. The email address was sketchy, so I did not click. Nope, not falling for that one.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the feds trying to lure you in.

Me neither.

Only time I got a call from the sheriff’s office it was during COVID to register over the phone. Otherwise if I don’t recognize a number I don’t answer. I thought it was against the law to pose as a cop; yet it’s okay when you try to scam a PFR. If you do you get a warning from the cops, what a crock!!

No, it’s not okay and yes, it is against the law! They need to bust these scumbags!? 😡

57 days left until SB384 takes affect the district attorney’s office and the public defenders office are gearing up getting ready for battle the district attorney’s office has alot of power but so does the public defenders office in the fact that the DA has to prove the petitioner is a threat to society.
Meanwhile Janice Bellucci and ACSOL will be fileing hella lawsuits challenging the
tiered registry perversion.
Unfortunately my bday is before July 1st so I can’t participate in this shiit show until next year but it’s all good ima just sit back with a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show

Good luck ✊😬

July 1st should mean you’re good to go this year! It’s anyone who’s birthday is prior to July 1st who must wait until after their next b-day to file.

@ Aero1: My sympathies. My BD is also just before July 1st. HOWEVER, to the best of my knowledge, CADOJ still hasn’t finalized their form that’s needed in order to petition for removal and July 1st is less than two months away.

Talk about government and bureaucrats hard at work. Laurel and Hardy would do better jobs than these people. Probably waiting for time to pass; so people will have to wait to petition next year.

Was wondering if this would be a good angle to fight the registry Or possibly another Avenue to prove it is punitive.

Since studied and discovered doctors, nasa, Olympic trainers, military, have all used heart rate variability(HRV) to test a persons stress levels. And how the body experiences recovery from many different types of physical and physiological stresses. It is a physical measurement of a person reaction to a stressor and their recovery. Could we prove it to the courts that all these restrictions and the chaotic environment they have created for us to try and maze around is punishment. If we can show physical measurements over long periods of time and how it effects health. Maybe a large scale study could be done on registrants and our family members to prove that the registry does cause bodily harm in the form of stress and research could provide physical measurements to provide it. There are many easy ways to measure HRV from fitness trackers to apps that use the camera on a cell phone. This is a widely accepted practice in the all fields of health. I’m an athletic male who eats a healthy diet. I am 100% healthy according to doctors. When I asked doctor about my HRV and why it’s it’s lower than average considering my healthy lifestyle, he stated there must be some stress in my life that is causing my nervous system to overreact. Well the only thing in life that’s not great and keeping me from relaxing completely is the registry. I didn’t tell him that in fear. And in doing not so realized that is probably the cycle of anxiety I experience and hold on to. And so it continues…

Anyways just a thought wanted to put it out there

Good Luck!

One small issue……..THEY DON’T CARE!

If we can document any negative health or mental health consequences of what is specifically denied to be a punishment, that should matter. Obviously, the difficulty is proving that it is a result of the registry, not our arrest and prosecution, but we should be able to achieve that by using a comparable population from a country without a public registry. That sort of study costs money, but not a lot.

I’m sorry, Literally Nobody, but if judges and CASOMB and lawmakers all don’t give a hoot about USDOJ crime statistics that clearly state that people convicted of sexual offenses have VERY low recidivism rates, why would you waste any time or money on such a study?? We already have the research findings & statistics – but judge’s, lawmakers, etc. choose to ignore facts because the facts don’t benefit their agendas.

@David: Recidivism statistics show the registry isn’t useful, but laws don’t have to be useful. If laws are harmful, I think that could change things. Maybe sue states for harassment, and cite pain and suffering for damages? Cyberstalking? People are succeeding in suing various levels of government for all sorts of things, and the law recognizes mental health harm. Sex offenders may be more unpopular than ever, but lawyers seem to be pretty successful in getting massive settlements from governments for harm their policies cause citizens. We might have to think outside the box a bit, but documenting actual, not theoretical harm is key.

You do have a point. 👍

I learned today that, shockingly, I’m a Level Two. I’m not sure how that happened but thank goodness. Nevertheless, I’m clearly not a candidate under current criteria for removal (my friends were under fourteen) but it’s a step in the right direction. I’ll take it. Are they factoring in time under registration crime-free?

I think all 40,000 of us that are 288(a) have friends that were under 14, but we should all be Tier 2 if nothing else is involved. Are you under a different code?

Glad to hear you caught a break, amigo. Let’s hope this is a trend.

“Two nurses went to the hospital on Monday after opening a letter… A Charlotte County hazmat team tested the letter and did not find anything suspicious, according to officials. Both nurses were released from the hospital later in the afternoon.”

Maybe they had paper cuts.

Well, they have gone and done it now. They have almost achieved their ultimate goal of stripping me of any semblance love, happiness and normalcy…
I was accused in 2007, signed a plea in 2009, got out May 15th 2010, and met the woman who would become my wife on June 29th 2010. We were married on 12/10/10 and filed our first adjustment of status application at the end of January 2011 because my wife is still a Chinese citizen. We had never heard of the AWA and tried to do the application ourselves. They dragged the process out for about two years before rejecting it. Of course while we were waiting, expecting things to go through eventually, my wife’s student visa lapsed.
Not long after the rejection we consulted with several other attorneys who said they were experienced, but turned out to have as little clue as we did how to proceed. But that didn’t stop them from grabbing our money and justify keeping it by writing up inflated researching bills that amounted to jack squat in answers.
On January 27th 2014 my wife gave birth to our beautiful daughter. Then on May 5th CPS and the state of California took our daughter using “Family Code 3030”
Which essentially said that if I babysat my own daughter while my wife was at work, its was viewed as our daughter being in “eminent danger of harm” and gives CPS, and the police the right to snatch our child right then and there, and we would have to go to court to try and prove why we should have our daughter returned to us. Now, I’ve gone on about this before so I’ll not put you guys through it again, you can simply look up my other posts if your unfamiliar with the story.
Fast forward two more years and a lot of BS later and they terminated our parental rights even though we were never directly accused of any wrong doing. Well about this time we found an attorney out of New York who claimed to have had some success with Adam Walsh immigration cases. So we hired him and ran in circles gathering every scrap of paper and evidence we could muster.
Things seemed promising for a while, we ended up getting an initial approval for the I-130 which was supposed to be the difficult part. We went through the process of fingerprints medical exams ect. And then right at the end of 2019 we were set to go to our interviews and just a few days before we recieved a notice that it had been canceled and we should wait to be rescheduled. Except this is right about the time that covid decided to throw a world tour party.
So we chalked it up to the pandemic and waited patiently, and waited, and waited with no further updates.
Soon after the Biden administration took office we recieved a Notice of Intent to Revoke (NOIR) pertaining to our hard won I-130 they were asking for more evidence, except they were asking for all of the stuff we had already sent them. So we gathered it up again and sent it off. Waited a few months and finally today we got our Notice of Denial for my wife’s petition.
I am of the firm belief that the US government would be happiest to see us all homeless, family less and friendless if they can get away with it.
I am sure they wouldn’t hesitate to throw open some concentration camps to do away with us for good if they weren’t sure they might ruffle a few of the wrong feathers. I mean hell, they have already adopted a disturbing amount from the Natzi playbook. They had registries for the Jews, they also made sure to have “Identifying Markers” on all of their papers as well identifying them as Jewish (Less than human by their beliefs).
How much longer until we are forced to wear bright emblazoned “SO” Armbands just so nobody gets to miss an opportunity to sneer and spit on us… I mean its for their protection right? And after the public beatings, lynch mob impromptu trial and executions reach a critical mass, they will start rounding us all up into ghettos and concentration camps saying its for our protection, all the while telling the people its for their protection too… and just as they have the majority of us rounded up is when the ovens switch on. There to make short work of any dissenters, the infirm and the weak. The rest to labor until we are used up, and get to finally retire in the warm embrace of mother oven.

And they wonder why after they have stripped a person of their dignity, happiness and everything else that gives a person’s life any meaning. That these people sometimes wander into government offices with nothing left to lose and wind up making international news. And there is always some politician giving a press conference afterwards saying things like (retarded stuffy politician voice) “We have no idea what could have drove this individual to such acts of violence.”
Yeah, sure you don’t. Except its by your design.

Maybe we should make this our own religion, so maybe some other county can ride in to save us from our oppressors?… No takers?… oh well.

I went to prison and did my time, but they aim to make my life as miserable as possible so long as I am alive. They have taken my dignity, self respect, daughter, and now soon wife. Of course we are going to fight and try to appeal ect. But are we really only delaying the inevitable? Was the decision made before we filed the application and all of this was just for the show?
Anyway, good luck to you all out there. Keep fighting the good fight… Im just not going to cook anything in my over for a good while…

When you saw CPS was on you guys like that why didn’t you get out of dodge the only power CPS had over your wife and child was you being around her and the baby so az a man in this phuct up situation we’re in you should of disappeared for a while phuckit file for a divorce and sign off all your parental rights and obligations and separated for a lilittle while you guys could’ve met up later in another county or state.
It’s almost impossible for CPS to take a sex offenders child I mean you had to do some crazy shiit in your past IDK maybe CPS has a list of sex crimes that give them the power to remove children from sertin sex offenders but I highly doubt it.

Good luck ✊😬

@Aero1
If you had read any of my previous posts on other articles you would have read that I did dissappear and was living my my car for months while my wife and daughter were at our home. We couldn’t file for divorce because my wife’s immigration application relies on our marriage. The CPS officer was way over zealous and was stalking our home and driving by where I was registered to be sleeping in my car. This was her first case and she was determined to “make her bones” so to speak. There is little doubt in my mind that if things had not happened the way they did she would found some other way, I don’t doubt that she would have qualms about forging reports, she certainly didn’t mind lying in court.

This is tragic and my heart goes out to you and your wife and baby.
How did the government come to know that you’re married and had a child?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

Its time to set the ambush. The judges have decided RSOs are no longer citizens, no longer have constitutional rights. Well then I hereby revoke the right to life of every cop, prosecutor, or other fascist pig scum who interferes with my family. I suggest we send a message that those who terrorize us are not long for this world. It’s time to wander into those offices and make news.

I previously posted a response to Jon’s message but the moderators rejected it. I guess it was too militant.

Your response is great. That quote really hits home and I believe it. But I prefer guerilla war. I declared war on Registry Supporters/Terrorists long ago and I’ve been defeating them ever since. They’ll continue to suffer hugely disproportionate causalities compared to the harm they are causing my family. As long as the Hit Lists exist.

It is pathetic that the Hit Lists get them off so much that they will sacrifice public safety, peace, goodwill, and so many other good things in exchange for getting their jollies.

I am liking this. It seems to be more up to date than Rtag
https://justfactsnotfear.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Travel-Matrix.xlsx.html

Should pop this new matrix over to the international travel thread for safe keeping

Its not totally up to date because I know for a fact that both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan have visa free programs now.

I’ve visited both countries, I’m hopefully I can visit this year once covid is not an issue anymore. No trouble getting in and out, visa process is very simple online normally get it back in 5 days. I’ve traveled there through Turkey before and after my conviction in 2016, anyways, it’s an amazing place, awesome culture.

That answered a lot of questions for me,
but does the red, yellow, green colors have any significance?

I agree that it may be more up to date than Rtag and appears to be more comprehensive. Kudos to whoever spent the time it took to create this.

What both this matrix and Rtag need is to split refused entry into three columns:

1) Refused entry by air
2) Refused entry by sea
3) Refused entry by land

I have been to many of the countries with a “Y” in the refused entry column, but I didn’t arrive by air. Also, I have transited through both the UK and Canada, but maybe I was just lucky. Actually, I have been in Canada three times, but I think the time they let me wander right out of the airport in Toronto was probably a mistake on their part.

Actually, the column that scares me the most is the one about felons not allowed in by law. Many of us can’t overcome that by getting off the registry.

That said, felonies could possibly be expunged or pardoned (pretty unlikely), and some countries claim to have options for felonies to be “spent” if the sentence was relatively short and it was a long time ago. I’ll be testing that by applying for a UK visa, since I have a cruise scheduled there in 2022.

I may have missed this website before, but the overall website Just Facts, Not Fear (Working to protect the human rights of, and create a positive future for, those forced to register) https://justfactsnotfear.com/ seems to be decent with the info provided for those who would read this forum and others similar to.

I think the owner of the site is the same guy that successfully moved to Germany.

I have been off the sex offender list in Pennsylvania for four years. Two years ago I applied for a new passport. It is not restricted. In September I will be taking a river cruise through Schengen countries. My only concern is that on my flight home from Switzerland I will have a connecting flight in London. I know London denies entry to registered sex offenders. Since I am not a registered sex offender will I have any trouble once I arrive at Heathrow airport to wait for my connecting flight to Philadelphia? My research has indicated that I am not listed as a registered sex offender on any state or national database. Thanks for help anyone can provide me.

May i ask how are the laws PA if you are a RC? My husband is registered here in NV and we are thinking about moving to PA

If things were done right by our government, you should be fine.

This should be in the international thread. It is not recommended to attempt to transit the UK however if you are not having to or able to report on a 21 day notice that you are transiting the UK and are only attempting to transit it on the way home they would really only be able to deport you back to your home country from there anyway and that’s where your flight transiting back is going so I’m not sure they would be able to do too much other than hold you until your flight and make sure you get on. Also, is your conviction spent under UK rules and finally is your conviction one that is against a minor? Please report back your experience once you try and let us know how it was all handled by their officers.

With all the news going on has any organization done anything with the use of STINGS to get people to become sex offenders? Seems that with the focus on drugs maybe this could be another step to freedom.

I have been off the Pennsylvania sex offender list for four years. Once I was removed from the list my research indicated that I did not appear on any state or national database. I obtained a renewed passport two years ago and it is not restricted. I have traveled through Schengen countries several times over the last 10 years and have not had a problem at all, other than returning through customs at my home airport in Philadelphia while I was still on the list.

In September I will be taking a river cruise from Amsterdam to Switzerland. During this time I will be traveling through Schengen countries. However, on my flight home from Switzerland I will have a connecting flight in London. I will have a two hour layover. I know the UK does not permit entry by sex offenders or felons. Do I have any reason to suspect I will run into a problem while waiting for my connecting flight? I appreciate any thoughts.

Absolutely you have reason to be concerned about transiting through the U.K. Don’t do it! There have been many people returned involuntarily to the U.S. for transiting through Heathrow. They weren’t staying in the U.K., they were just intending to change planes with onwards to the EU. They were NOT allowed to go to Europe and had to pay for the return trip.

Like the article says, nobody is taking responsibility,,,
hold their feet to the fire of truth!

@ C: I believe you’re mistaken in your presumption. The fault does not lie with the FBI – the fault lies with Alabama law enforcement:
“Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, the state police, told AP that it conducted a “full and thorough” investigation into Bauer’s background….”. With that statement, it appears the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency/Alabama State Police is misleading the public, not the FBI.

Biden is trying to lift patent restrictions on Covid vaccine to save all those sex offenders in other countries. Meanwhile his DOJ (actually he inherited this crap from the previous admin) is doing everything they can kill every registrant in the U.S.

Huh?

“Biden is trying to lift patent restrictions on Covid vaccine to save all those sex offenders in other countries.” Huh? “Sex offenders” are people too and can transmit this virus. Biden is trying to get vaccines to other countries as appaently the people in the US are weary of the vaccine. Vaccine rates have been dropping and only 30% of the US has been fully vaccinated. I say if we have an abundance of vaccines get them to other countries. Even if the patent is “lifted”, will those countries have the chemicals and equipment to produce a vaccine?

It was sarcastic

I didn’t see it as sarcastic. I saw it as misinformed.

Oh, well. Sigh…………

Seems coincidental that This Duggar C.P. Story is getting so much attention at the same time the SORNA regulations are being set to implement. Like the Feds are feeding info to the press to bolster their position and get the public behind them.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they could have arrested him a yr ago , but held off to coincide with the new SORNA.

This is a man they believe is so dangerous that they are arguing before a judge that he should not be allowed out of pre-trial detention to live with two adults with dial-up internet access and no minor children (friends of his father, who have experience ministering to inmates), even while is subjected to ankle-monitoring under a $250,000 bond.

And yet, regardless of why, they let him live with a family full of children and zero monitoring for well over a year before they decided to indict him over 200 deleted images that they surely found less than 24 hours after serving a search warrant? The system is utterly baffling.

Similar thing happened to a guy in our therapy group. He was charged and latter convicted of 647.6 misdemeanor. The whole court thing took a year or so to do. During that year, no one batted an eye that he was living with his children. Then, during his first meeting with his PO post conviction, he was instantly threatened with imprisonment if he didn’t instantly move out. For the safety of his children, of course.

Its not the system, its the human beings that run it. The human scum prosecutors, the fascist pig cops and judges.

The grassroots = the foundation.

Many arrests are timed to coincide with other related issues. Don’t be surprised if you see a few more of these as SORNA reg deadline gets closer.

Just a general question;

In the legal section of this website under registration rules for the 50 states, it lists California as keeping everyone registered once you are on the list. ( ” Per Rolfe Survey, visiting Registrants are placed on state’s website and not removed.”)

If a visitor stays in Ca. for more than 5 working days and registers are they stuck on the list like Florida? I seem to recall on an ACSOL call that it is not the case. Any help?

I’m confused on this as well. Janett says CA removes people once they provide notification that they’re permanently leaving CA. But, as you said, the matrix on this site seems to indicate otherwise. And it’s the same language on the Matrix that’s used for other states like Florida and NY who we know for sure doesn’t deregister anyone, even after death.

Pigs claim to be “protecting children”. This is how they actually treat children, and the government, supreme court, and police unions all applaud.
https://reason.com/2021/05/05/qualified-immunity-police-coerced-confession-art-tobias-los-angeles-9th-circuit/

“Investigators Probe Cause Of Fire At Controversial Englewood Building That Houses 60 Registered Sex Offenders” Great line from this story: “Former resident Jasmine Tinsley said the landlord didn’t even tell her about the former offenders until she moved in – while pregnant with her 6-year-old.” That is one l-o-n-g pregnancy and borderline child abuse!

Gee, I wonder why there was a fire?

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/05/04/fire-englewood-building-houses-sex-offenders/

This headline, alone, is a real keeper: “Minnesota Psychologist Charged With Having Sex With Sex Offenders”

Perhaps a new, more esoteric registry for this class of offenders is needed?

This doesn’t, however, quite rise to the level of California’s Coalinga State Hospital for the Criminally Sexually Insane having an actual prostitution ring composed of state employees to service the needs of hosprisoners (for those who somehow found these staffers sufficiently attractive). And yes, that really happened.

https://krocnews.com/minnesota-psychologist-charged-with-having-sex-with-sex-offenders/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

“Sex offenders sue state after being denied leftovers from their Satanic feast” Fresh from the Corn-and-Hog State, there’s this bit of agitprop/civil disobedience theater staged by Iowa’s civilly detained. This is a good start. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2021/03/05/sex-offenders-sue-state-after-being-denied-leftovers-their-satanic-feast-jail-prison-meals/4600133001/

This is a question for any US Permanent Residents that are RSO’s.

Are you out there? Is there any? I’m was convicted for CP, did my time, I was due to be deported, but at the last minute ICE removed my detainer and let me stay. First off, I really don’t want to, but being on supervised release makes international travel hard, if not impossible.

Is it possible to leave the US for good while on? I am a RSO, but I do not have a US passport, so no markings.

Just trying to clarify things, figure out when I can leave the US for good.

“Is it possible to leave the US for good while on? I am a RSO, but I do not have a US passport, so no markings.” Use whatever passport or means you have and leave then. Without details, and I’m not asking for any, it’s hard to help/advise.

I reread my post and you’re right, not enough info!
‘Is is possible to leave the US while on supervised release?’. If not, I just have to wait the 2 more years for my supervised release to be finished.
‘If I travel on a non US passport, will there be any flags travelling to another country? Once I’m gone from the US, and after giving my 21 day notice, that’s it I’m not coming back. I understand that I do have to give the feds my passport number, but, I can always get a new one in my home country (European, not from the UK)
Thanks!

So my reduction/removal petition went to the board and the ADA.

They are moving to deny it due to not showing enough proof that I have changed since my original offense in 2007 in a different state.

They acknowledged that they made my level higher than it should have been at my initial hearing as their points were based on fabrications that were proven to be so at that time.

They even had the guff to say that they didn’t know if I completely the second offense therapy even though it was part of my condition for even being let off of probation.

So now, I have to prove to them that I am not a violent drug addict with a drinking problem even though they acknowledged that I was never to begin with but put those points in there even though they knew it to be false with statements contradicting themselves from one paragraph to the next.

Right now working on getting my cert of good behavior for here which isn’t an issue as I’ve never broken the law here, but the procedure takes a minimum of two months.

Mental health check and drug test are easier would take about an hour each if I can get an appointment during the lockdown here.

Right now if you travel more than 10km here without police permission it straight to jail 😅

So in other words, being crime free for 13 years isn’t enough proof that you’ve learned your lesson…..

Apparently 30 years of crime free living is not enough

34 years of clean livin’ ain’t enough either.
They won’t accept you’re rehabilitated until you die w/out reoffending. Kinda like cancer: you don’t know you’re 100% cured until you grow old and die of something else.

Mike What do they say is “…enough proof that I have changed…”? I don’t know where you are but can the tests to show “I am not a violent drug addict with a drinking problem” be done remotely or arranged to be done locally as you can’t travel more than 10km (about 6 miles)?

And why does it matter if you are still on NY hit list? I forgot or missed something sorry.

> Right now if you travel more than 10km here without police permission it straight to jail 😅

Could you explain this? Afaik new york does not force you to alert people when moving except for when it is across state lines.

You completed “second offense therapy”? Seems like you haven’t explained your situation very well. If you have had a second offense, then it makes sense that they want more proof you won’t reoffend.

Apologies I was typing in the middle of the night and it auto corrected. I meant sex offender therapy. There was no second offense.

as for the other questions, I can get a drug test at any police station or hospital and a mental evaluation at any hospital.

for police record I can apply online and pick it up at any police station here.

as for being on the NY hit list, because google could destroy the life and reputation I have built here.

I’ve been increasingly becoming more of a public figure here and if it ever comes to it I would like to be able to explain myself before getting me too’d because people see me on a list and think “hey blackmail would be easy money”

also having to update them anytime I do anything which is required by NY even though I don’t live there really sucks.

imagine your foreign address showing up on their list and having people who don’t know you or the archaic laws come try to kill you? which has been an increasing thing on this side of the world.

so yeah. I’m not on here much anymore because it makes me sick thinking about it. Currently trying to get everything together so I can send it to my lawyer.

Don’t worry, because you are now able to live near parks, and isn’t that what really counts in our lives.

@John Doe Utah

In reading the Endicott, NY case and comparing it to Utah State law (https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title77/Chapter41/77-41-S105.html?v=C77-41-S105_2020051220200512), it appears Utah also requires all online/email identifiers regardless of the age of the alleged victim. Is that correct?

I am familiar with another state where they are only provided if the age of the alleged victim was a minor.

Can you provide some clarification on that please?

Yes. I fought it in 2008 and got an injunction against the law.

Utah amended the law to no longer require passwords (yes, they wanted passwords to access communications) and to make identifiers protected records (not public). And asked the judge to vacate the injunction, she did.

I fought the case from there to the 10th Cir. (lost) and SCOTUS wouldn’t take the case.

So yes in Utah you have to give them everything for all people, but the are private records.

Thx @JDUtah. Seems to me they are characterizing all PFRs as potential perpetrators with Minors regardless of the matter they were convicted of initially (no Minors involved) since the only logical reason they want that info is to save children. Therefore, that to me would mean they’ve assessed someone already without facts into a characterization or profile unjustly, which doesn’t do a thing to help public safety, but gives the state info they don’t have a need for realistically based upon a false presumption, IMO. My thinking here make sense?

Here’s a novel thought. How about publishing a positive story concerning registrants. Good luck trying to find one of those.

Okay, here’s a positive story👍:

https://all4consolaws.org/2021/05/ca-registrant-gains-access-to-section-8-housing/comment-page-1/#comment-270075

(Sorry, I couldn’t find the one I was looking for: “Registrant saves 20 children from burning school bus teetering off collapsing bridge” I did look for it. 🤷🏻‍♂️)

[Wait, am I a tractor 🚜 again?]

Great. A guy with low or no income can move in with someone else with low or no income. I feel better already. Guess I set my standards for “positive” a little higher than many. Everything is relative.

Question:

If new SORNA guidelines are enacted, and they supersede State guidelines, does that mean the Fed tier system supersedes the state tier system. Because Ca says CP misdemeanor is tier 3, but Fed says tier 1. Or am I completely off the reservation on how I am understanding this.

The feds see their guidelines as a “floor and not a ceiling.” Therefore, they have no issues with State going above and beyond what SORNA requires. So, CP would still be Tier III in CA.

Figures. No matter what jurisdiction has the worst , then that is what will be applied. So Janice, what’s the latest on the tier law suits, or is there a park that some guy can’t walk in that is more important, or easier to settle.

They won’t supersede and it is speculation until approved. The most likely course is that it will give states an opportunity to pass laws that delegate to the federal sorna. If you have a state only conviction then I think they will be hard pressed to do anything outside of that due to not having jurisdiction. People with federal or military convictions will be under their jurisdiction so who the hell knows for them.

Eric O.

Where are you getting that in CA CP misdemeanor is tier 3? I had my CP charge reduced from Felony to Misdemeanor via 17B and I confirmed with my “Registering Office” – LAPD that I am Tier 1. I do not appear on the Megan’s List website either.

When did you confirm this.

My friend from group had 311.11(a) felony. Three years ago he had it reduced to a misdemeanor via 17b. He was confirmed this year to be tier 1.

I think you’re mixing up a couple of things.

CA misdemeanor CP is Tier 1 (311.11(a)). Felony of this is Tier 3.

Federally under SORNA, anything that has a maximum sentence of up to a year on paper (not how much you were actually told to serve) is considered a “misdemeanor” are all Tier 1. So regardless of whether you have a felony or misdemeanor in CA, under SORNA you’re Tier 1 based on that time guideline.

I had a Felony but served no time. All probation. I also had it reduced after probation.
I just keep reading contradictory things. So confusing.

The British media is memorializing one of its own, a Sun reporter named John Kay.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14895231/tribute-john-kay-suns-reporter-broke-biggest-stories/amp/

Seems like a good dude, but consult his Wikipedia page and you’ll find he drowned his wife in the 1970s, was found not guilty by reason of insanity, then rejoined the Sun’s newsroom and made quite a name for himself (even remarried). I feel like the insanity of the 1960s and 1970s led to this complete reversal of attitudes in the 1990s and draconian punishments to make up for a collective naïveté in the age of free love, and we’re paying the price.

Saw someone posted asking for positive news…I was convicted in another state under a 10 year registration requirement in that state while vacationing there. When I originally registered in California I received a letter from DOJ stating they would review my case when I registration requirement expired in that State. I just received a letter last week from the DOJ “re: California Sex Offender Registration no longer required” stating they had reviewed my case and determined I no longer have to register in California.

While I’m relieved to allegedly be off the California registry and I know this forum isn’t for anything like legal advice, I’m still unsure abut a few items and would appreciate feedback or advice on a good legal resource to talk to about some of these:

* Can I now check to see if/when I’m taken off the Megans laws site (only had to show up under my zip code previously) or am I still blocked from checking that site because of my previous conviction and registration status…I know I can work around and have family or a friend check on this one.

* How do SORNA and other State’s laws affect my ability to travel across state lines (or even internationally.)

* Can I now attend community activies (4th of July celebrations, etc.) held on school properties without having to get permission from the Superintendent as is required for registered Sex Offenders in CA?

* The letter said my local PD would be notified, should I take them a copy of the letter as well?

* How much do I need to worry about future law changes and will someone notify me if I ever have to go back on the registry or do I need to continue tracking proposed legislation myself. I don’t want to get caught out not knowing if I’m required to register again by PD showing up to arrest me or something.

* Thinking of switch vehicles (time for that anyway) and cell #’s since all that was registered. I maybe over reacting but don’t like the thought of that information staying on someone’s list through some kind of oversight, especially with all the license plate readers, etc. Who knows where all my registered information was replicated and who has copies of all that by now.

And the list goes on, still trying to take this all in!

@relievedinca

You have a lot of questions there. I was relieved of being forced to register almost 16 months ago, and so will tell you what I have learned.

You have the letter from the DoJ. I received a phone call and requested a letter for my records. I immediately requested a family member (actually 3) to check the Megan’s law page for me. I expect with the letter you are ok, but I felt better safe then sorry.

The hardest part for me to accept is that California relieving me does not impact other state requirements. Meaning if you plan to travel you would still have to follow that states laws and how they would interpret your crime.

For international travel, assuming you are not on any other state registries, you would not be required to have a marked passport. That said Satan Watch might still send out notices to your travel destination. They do not have a good track record of following the laws about people removed from registries.

The letter is enough that you are no longer barred from participating in anything that excludes individuals forced to register. That said I personally waited until my family confirmed my information was removed from Megan’s law.

I was first informed by my local PD, so not sure about that one. Personally, I would follow with local PD only if your information is still on the Megan’s law site. If your information is no longer there then they are in the loop. If you are still lost I would take a copy of the letter down to the site you normal register and request clarification.

About the future … there are 2 schools of thought. First, is you are free in California, live your life and don’t look back. Second, is that laws have changed in the past that have retroactively required people to resume being forced to register. Personally, I am staying informed and trying to help others.

in terms of if the law changes are they required to let you know … that would depend on the verbiage of the law … I would hope they would be required to inform individuals, but rational application of law is not always the case.

Hope my experience provides you some help.

Congratulations on being relieved of being forced to register!

It is truly remarkable the level of cruelty the registry applies to those of us forced to register. This fall I begin the tenth year as a registered citizen. The friends and family I have lost, the classes I have been asked to withdraw from, the lack of employment and stunning vacuum of zero purpose or hope has left me with an indescribable emptiness. I am isolated, depressed and without motivation. I manage to discover amazing single women using my wit and intelligence only to lose them once I divulge my past. I am running through what little retirement savings I managed to save over the years. I live in fear of being arrested everywhere I go. I rarely will tell anyone new what my last name is. I am ashamed and humiliated. Those that I have loved have passed away. Having no purpose in life with no aspirations for a future find me with thoughts of suicide. I am not there yet but it has become thoughts of relief from this stressed and fear filled life. It seems a cruel 25 year punishment for the discovery of 6 deleted thumbnail images of SUSPECTED sixteen or seventeen year old girls that I downloaded with a file sharing app. I continue to fight the dying of the light. I am destroyed.

I see your pain and raise you a family including a wife who is under constant pressure to protect herself and our school-age kids from my past. It is soul crushing.
Having to manage this for myself is one thing, but managing everything for them as though they’re hiding a fugitive in their basement increases the difficulty and stress by an order of magnitude.
If nothing is keeping you here and you have a marketable skill, leave the country. That’s what I plan to do once certain stars align.

@Warpath. Reading your post reminds me of where my head was when I got sentenced in 2005. I feel you. Life seemed to be over, and it certainly was. At least life as I knew it. It took me a few years to crawl out from that massive bolder of shame, hopelessness and despair, but at some point I had to shift my perspective and change the meaning I am giving this. One of the main messages that got me out of this funk was “If I give in and give up, then they will have won?” Initially that was what kept me going. I became poised to prove wrong. Prove my PO wrong who wanted me did, my so called “therapist” who didn’t believe that I would not reoffend because apparently 85% or more are reoffending and “what do think makes you so special?” I have proven them all wrong, despite the obstacles, the constant shame and the fear of vigilantes.

There are ways to beat this system, and it starts within each of us. I decided to not let this injustice bring me down. It was up to me if I choose to give them the power to destroy me, and I decided against all odds to not let them take away my dignity. In 2016 I joined ACSOL and started an emotional support group for registrants and their loved ones. This group has grown in size and many have been able to crawl out from under said bolder of shame and despair. Please look us up on this website, write me an email and we’ll talk. We’d be glad to welcome you into the group. Together we can prove these a#$holes wrong. We will prevail. Together.

I’d sure hate to see something like this happen to the public registry, except not held for ransom, just crypto-locked. Forever.

https://apnews.com/article/ransomware-gangs-hacking-police-cybercrime-pipeline-3a38c27c4fafe0c39461fb71bf91a42a

So update from last month about getting permission to attend my kid’s high school graduation on campus here in California….

Quick recap, I emailed the school principal 2 weeks ago. He referred me to the ‘school district official who handles these matters’. It took a week to hear from that person. They asked me when my offense was, got contact info and said they would get back to me.

A week later they called me and said they had a letter ready and said he wasn’t able to find me on the megan site. I told him I’m not listed. We setup a meeting for me to collect the letter and I just got back from that.

He said the procedure would be for any school visit I should let the principal know that I need to go, and then just carry the letter with me when I went. I asked who knew about this and he said it’s just him and the principal.

When I got home I read the letter and I’m a little disappointed. The letter just reiterates what the law is and says that the letter is not permission to go and I need to ask for permission for all events. So…. duh?

Now I think him telling me it’s ok means it really is ok and the letter is just them being legal but still, it doesn’t satisfy my legal requirement if something happens.

So frustrating, I should’ve read the letter while there but everything he told me made me think it was all good.

And how will carrying that letter help me out if I’m at an event? It literally says that it’s not permission and not having permission it’s a crime to be there!!!

Hate this crap.

And it’s not just my kid’s graduation, I have a kid with 1 year left so there’s 1 more year of this.

Another vent… I still don’t know my tier. I’ve contacted the local PD multiple times and got no response. My yearly isn’t until December so I guess I’m going to have to wait until then to find out.

F****K this whole damn system.

They are playing both ends. They don’t want to say yes and circumvent the system. That would have their jobs at stake. They also don’t see the problem with you coming on campus. In their view no harm , no foul. This is how landlords, employers, and anybody else that has authority treats this. It’s two faced and hypocritical, but what’s new about that.

Yeah I think you’re right. Got the impression from talking to him that it’s totally ok but since the letter is on paper then they have to cover their butts.

@ JesusH:. Just email back to him and say that the letter seems unclear so do you… Or do you not… Have authorization to be on the school’s property for your son’s graduation. Write your email in such a way that he has to be clear with “yes” or “no”. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Then print out the email and take that with you.
Note: I prefer the word “authorization”, (rather than permission).

I’m just going to email the principal and ask him for a simple yes or no. Then I’ll print that out and take it with me. The law says it needs to be an official of the school anyway, not the district. What I need is a ‘get out of jail free’ card. What they gave me is totally the opposite, it literally says that it’s not permission and that according to the law being on campus without permission is a crime!

Here’s a sample for you:.

Good morning, Principal Jones.

My name is David xxxxxx. I am a homeowner/resident in Pasadena and am actively involved in the Ft. Smith community.
I am contacting you today because I am required to receive authorization in order to attend an event in your school’s campus (specifically, in the gymnasium).

I will explain. I have been invited by the City to attend the Mayor’s “State of the City” Address on the evening of the January 31st.
I would like to attend this event but I am required to received authorization from the school principal in order to do so because I was convicted of a felony sexual offense more than 20 years ago.

Please keep in mind that the event is scheduled for the evening hours and is likely to have very few, if any, children in attendance (and will probably be attended by numerous City of Ft. Smith police officers and staff.)

I would ask that you please consider this request and advise me of your decision at your earliest opportunity.

Thank you in advance for your time and attention to this request.

Sincerely,
David xxxxxx
Ft. Smith homeowner and
active community member

Another local LEOs and U.S. Marshal’s harassment sweep leading to arrests:

https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2021/05/07/us-marshals-hardeman-county-sheriffs-office-conduct-sex-offender-operation/

What is the equipment the county needs to complete the SO mission the USMS is giving them money for? Keyboards? Monitors? USMS coffee cups?

Anyone been to Mumbai India? Anything to share?

I love Mumbai and have been there five times. I much prefer it to Delhi which is a pretty scary place, at least in my experience. Both are absolutely enormous with about 20 million people each but Mumbai is much more comfortable and the people more civilized and sophisticated and far more ethnically tolerant. Great things to see there, fabulous food and music and I always enjoy it thoroughly. You have to be at ease with Asian mega-cities, though. It did take some getting used to jumping on to trains that never completely stop but once you get the hang of it, it’s a lot of fun.

Thanks. I meant is India on a watch list. can SOs travel there?

Let me add that I used to visit my customers in Bollywood (I was in the film/video equipment sector) where I got to sit in on a number of film and t.v. productions. That was a real hoot, too! The musical numbers are just incredible to watch being filmed. That was a real privilege.

A search of Google News for sex offender doesn’t return pretty results. Those newspapers are what inculcate the grassroots across the nation. One surprise was the number of RC’s arrested for felon with a firearm. That didn’t used to be, or it wasn’t reported in the news. Maybe there is a war going on.

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Yes! I just said the same thing last night. Its as if this is purposely being done! I’ve never seen so many headlines like this ever!

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Just want to congratulate Homeland Security on a successful two year operation to take down public enemy number one Josh Duggar, even if that meant completing failing to stop the biggest infrastructure attack in American history and creating a massive fuel crisis for a huge swath of America. You guys deserve medals for this historic mission.

I’m detecting a hint of sarcasm.

Between mis-placed efforts like this and woke government preoccupation with pronouns (“birthing people” WTF?) China and Russia must be quaking in their slave labor-made boots.

We are collapsing from within, attacking each other and gnawing away at the fabric of society.
How very sad.

2021-05-12, Las Vegas Sun
Sex crime arrests are far too common among Border Patrol agentshttps://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/may/12/sex-crime-arrests-are-far-too-common-among-border/

We here all know who commit sex crimes… 95+% NOT on the registry. I see it everyday in the news. It gets overwhelming and has basically become moot to me.

LPH

the public is still eating the denial sandwich with lead fries.

If anyone is applying for a conviction charge reduction (17b) and is wanting to submit a letter to the presiding judge, I have a copy of mine I can forward to you. Both my counsel and Judge said it was the most honest and best written they had ever seen.
I would of course omit the particulars about my case, but it is a good template to use.
You could either just fill in your particulars or use it as a format.

Would you mind posting your redacted copy here?

I will ask for permission 1st.

Permission? Permission from who?

Something odd hit me the other day when I made an inquiry call to the county court system. I gave them my file number and the receptionist told me my case was closed. There were other things discussed, but she kept telling me my case was closed.

How can my case be closed when it’s being used live for the registry? This duality doesn’t make any sense, especially when 1203.4 stated the courts “shall” dismiss the accusation/information and the Ca Constitution cites specifically the “right to pursue and obtain privacy.”

This circumvention needs to be addressed because you cannot have two differing laws as it’s prohibited by the CA Constitution. It makes no common sense.

This is exactly the type of thinking that need to challenge bits and pieces of the registry. A closed case should imply all has been completed (Verdict, sentencing, etc). Yet when a legal ruling is now made it allows for a sentence and for ongoing punishment (deemed not punishment).

Let’s just look at that in itself a second, they term it in some places “collateral consequences” or “voluntary” but in all actuality it is “compelled obligation” like the days of slavery. If a person fails to meet the “compelled obligation” of the registry then they are subjected to “punishment” again which is almost double jeopardy sidestepped and that “punishment” is equal to the times of slavery when “punishment” would be acceptable if a slave was out of line.

The fact is that the registry is almost equal to that of slavery but in a different form.

@New Person:
Your criminal case is closed if you’ve completed all its terms (fines, fees, probation, paroled, etc.). That you have an ongoing, compelled, civil obligation is a whole other story. Funny how the courts says you’re fine and good to go, and yet…

The civil obligation is now using unusable information via 1203.4 with the following statement:

“the court shall thereupon dismiss the accusations or information against the defendant”

The moment your information/accusation is dismissed, then so does the civil obligation end because that civil obligation was initiated by a criminal case being opened.

Conflate that the “civil obligation” has “criminal consequences”, then there exists a duality of conflicting laws. There cannot be conflicting laws as per the CA constitution.

On top of that, the “civil obligation” is you reporting your private information, but the CA Constitution states specifically that its citizens have a right to pursue and obtain privacy. There are some registrants who do not qualify for the 1203.4, and, thus, highlighting that 1203.4 does provide a legal path to regain privacy. The imperative word “shall” possess irrefutable legal precedent.

Does this imply there is unequal distribution of the 1203.4 law? Yes. It forces registrants to do more to regain their privacy by acquiring the 1203.4 and the Certificate of Rehabilitation. The problem with this is that 1203.4 has you meet conditions and you are rewarded the immunity benefits without contest. With the CoR, your path to regain your privacy can be contested by the DA, judge, or both. I would say the increased level of “regaining privacy” is a cruel and unusual punishment, especially in light of the low recidivism rates after three years studies and it progressively declines as more years pass. The 1203.4 can be obtained after successfully completing probation, if one qualifies for it. The term of probation varies, but usually between three to five years. The CoR has a wait time of 10 years after being out of custody.

The reasoning behind increasing the level of threshold to get off the registry, iirc, was someone stating (i’m paraphrashing), “to make it more difficult to get off the registry.” No science behind it, but fear mongering.

New Person:
It sounds like you have a good argument. ACSOL has the attorneys. I would develop the argument fully and send it to ACSOL’s attorneys.
The biggest challenge will be raising funds. Registrants and their families are quick to complain but few actually open their wallets.
I would like to see your legal argument come to fruition. You will get some support for the challenge but must press registrants to participate more financially.
Obviously, the California constitution provides more protection than the U.S. Constitution. This could be interesting if you could bring this argument to fruition.

Funding. What do you think it’ll cost?

Minimum $20,000.
Realistically $50,000+

ACSOL can tell you how much to get in the door but the costs can be several times that.

1,000 registrants and their family members $50 each will go a long way.

@New Person:
I don’t know enough or, frankly, care at all about CA’s provisions since I’m not in California [Edited by Moderators]. My only point was about why the county court system wouldn’t have your case opened. The case is closed and over as far as that agency is concerned. That you have some other civil obligation somewhere else is something another agency handles. Your beef is not with the county court system, anyway. Your beef is with the other agency (CA DoJ?) and its possible statutory and/or state-constitutional violations.

Given the increased rights CA citizens have under the state constitution, it seems to me the best path for a challenge is within the CA court system. I say look to AK cases for how things can go. After all, ASORA was knocked down by the AK courts even after SCOTUS gave it a thumbs up.

Not that any of you doubt their integrity, but the Moderators did make a wise call in what they edited in my post. Though only they saw it, I apologize to all for what could have been.

Though what I wrote was tongue-in-cheek and directed at the CA government–NOT in any way toward @New Person–it was out of line.

The question came up again, and I am still not 100% clear on CA law when it comes to a new vehicle or new job. Do you have to report either within 5 days in California, or is this something that only needs to be updated at the annual registration? I know some States require reporting within 5 days, but I thought CA only requires this at the annual. Does anyone have the correct answer here, without guessing?

I know car is reported at your annual. I’m not sure about a new job but I believe it’s the same.

Based off my experience, I was told to do it annually. I bought a new car 2 weeks ago and contacted the PD, I was told to wait until my annual in a few months. In 2019, I lived and purchased a vehicle in a different county, and was told the same exact thing. I would call and ask to be safe.

How can it be “annual”? Don’t they care about children?! That’s a giant sex offender loophole that has surely led to thousands of molestations.

Where I live, we have 3 days. You don’t want to buy a car on a Friday. So the children where I live are super-safe. Also, if I ever planned to commit a crime with a vehicle, it would never be one with a license plate that could be traced to me in any way, Registered or not.

But, if LE does not have your license plates recorded, how could they give you extra harassment? It would be too hard.

Right. When I first had to register I was so paranoid that I reported rental vehicles I used, but they didn’t care, I was told don’t worry. I was surprised when I was told ‘just do it when you come in for your annual’, despite what I’m told, I always cover my backside and report vehicles I buy/sell. I have it documented in email and voice mail, you never know.

Last time I did my 290 registration the the registering officer asked me if I was working I said no then he asked me if I had a car I replied no I don’t.
Truth is I do have a job a really good one at that and no I don’t have a car I have 2 tucks but I’m not about to give them that information they can look it up themselves they have access to DMV records they can run my SS# and find out where I work if they wanted to
When I initialed and signed my 290 registration requirements not one of them said I must report any vehicle I have access too within 5 working days nor did it say I had to report my place of employment within 5 working days so I dont and I haven’t for the last 2 decades I wouldn’t worry about it

Good luck 😇 👌

There was a time when I registered and was asked if I had a vehicle registered in my name, I told them no. Because the vehicle was in another state and I didn’t renew the registration, I had no plans to drive it anymore. The officer came back and said our records showed that I had a vehicle, then the million questions came afterwards.

It kind of depends on your local jurisdiction and your individual case. As with EVERYTHING else involved with the registry, the local LEOs often wing it as far as registration goes. If they are overwhelmed with other business, they will ignore you. If they are bored or under pressure to perform, then look out.
Last year I moved to a different apartment so I called the Registrant office in San Jose to report it. Got a voicemail from a detective telling me any changes in my employment, housing or transportation status can be reported on my next annual. I kept that voicemail and since it was also put into my text mail, I felt covered. I have a misdemeanor and feel that might have been considered by them. For 5 yrs nothing had changed in my annuals.

Hi, Got a scam call at 6am this morning claiming a warrant was out and I needed to come in immediately for second DNA test. I suspected something was wrong as they had wrong address, told me to Google the address of the sheriff’s station, had a phone number (usually blocked or private from the local office) and got a bit belligerent when I said something was not right and my attorney would handle it. Told me two officers were on their way to pick me up, but never got new address! I called sheriff to confirm no warrant. Be safe folks.

Suspected something was wrong? There are two entities that will NEVER call you
1. IRS
2. L.E.O.
They send letters. Period.

I had this happen a few months back. During a lull in the “conversation”, I initiated a 3-way conference call with the Sheriff’s Department. I quickly became a fly on the wall as the deputy started giving the scammer the what-for. It was pretty funny.

I had no interest in pursuing charges because things like that tend to make the news around here. Likewise, I’m guessing the deputy moved on and didn’t care a bit what happened.

Online, Mug Shots Are Forever. Some States Want to Change That.

https://news.yahoo.com/online-mug-shots-forever-states-181700675.html

I am baffled by the state rep’s comment “The mug shots help tell the story for the media,” Schauer said. “It’s used for the public’s good as well, for investigators. It’s public information; why would we cover up public information?”

What a monumental a-hole. I wonder how he’d feel if his child was falsely or exonerated of charges, yes his or her mugshot was still available for all to see. And i’ll bet he’d change his tune if HIS mugshot was online for all to see. What an insensitive prick.

I was watching a youtube video about celebrities in trouble with the law. They described one person that in the course of 7 yrs had been arrested over 10 times for DUI, breaking probation, and associated offenses, total time in custody? 16 months.
And registrants are the danger to society………… can anyone say ‘ recidivism’?

Noticed that brother-in-harm Guy Hamilton-Smith’s Twitter account is gone. Probably deleted it from harassment, but wishing you well if you’re out there dude.

Yes, the pedo-obsessives have taken after him with a vengeance. There are organized hordes of these hysterics whose sole purpose on Twitter is to, somehow, out and harass those they consider to be “pedos.”

I once again cannot understand how a judge can grant lori laughlin and her husband felons, the right to go to mexico while on probation !, I have a misdeameanor and cant go ask a judge? LOL
We need to have a 50,000 person protest asap they have taken everything from us we have NOTHING to lose?

You can ask. He will even say go ahead. It isn’t the U.S. that is stopping you. It is MEXICO. You need to understand that the U.S. isn’t stopping you from going anywhere. They are just sending a nastigram along with you. It’s the host country that decides to allow you entrance or not.

I was literally 3 months away from probation ending, no violations, no incidents, the judge a month prior allowed me to leave the state for business. I had two family members for the same week oh COVID I’m Texas and my PO denied my request, went to court with my attorney and he denied the request to travel to Texas for the funeral even though it was literally a fly there and fly back deal and gps monitoring. So depressing!

Sorry to hear that Jason, and very sorry to hear about your lost loved ones.

Noticed something happening in Bay Area that is making it almost impossible to get an affordable rental or even a room share. People are requesting F.B. Bios. They know that registrants can’t get on F.B. so it automatically excludes us. Just one more nail in the coffin.

You can go on FB. It’s not against the law. The worst that happens is they shut down your account. I and others from my therapy group are on FB.

Missed my point . I understand we have the right / ability to go there. But when F.B. Eventually rejects you, and they will ( mine lasted three months ), you now have to explain to a potential landlord why you can’t send them a F.B. Bio.
I had this happen to me when applying for a private rental and the person would not accept a bio not listed on F.B.
I could have used an alias for F.B., but then wouldn’t match my application.

I’d tell the prospective landlord the truth: “I prefer to keep intact as much of my privacy as possible. Therefore I eschew social media such as FB, IG, etc. I prefer not to be data mined just so Zuck can make a few more billion dollars.”

Yes, and then they say ,” Well, this is the medium I use, so thank you but I won’t be renting to you.” 

Ya, I technically have one, my mom said to make her one so I did, and both her and I use it. My mom’s friends are on it, my friends are on it and our family is on it. Facebook has know clue on wifi she is using it or if I am on it. Facebook is a joke anymore anyway. They definitely do not like the 1st Amendment if they don’t like something you post or comment on another post they will put you in Facebook Jail. STUPID!!!.

“Toddler found dead in middle of Texas street”https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/toddler-found-dead-middle-texas-street-n1267501

If I found this toddler laying in the street, I would do all in my power to save him/her. Yet, some of you say otherwise? I have a heart and a soul.

Who says otherwise?

There was a news article back around 2005 or 6 about an RC that found a toddler walking on the sidewalk late at night and helped the police get the child home. No surprise.

We know we aren’t monsters. We prove it everyday by living normal productive lives. The sad part is no one cares.

It is instinctual to do what you say. Try and save a life. Any life. I think it’s built into our DNA. Those that say they wouldn’t are either B.S.ing or have some serious issues. Unfortunately it is just as easy for many to take a life. That is the part that worries me.

I was doing some digging around in some SCOTUS cases (yes, I’m weird), and came across one that made me wonder if it’s mildly to our benefit. The case was Elonis v. U.S. (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/575/13-983/) and was about a dude allegedly making threats via FB. The interesting part to me was this:

“Primary Holding
Omitting a reference to intent in a criminal statute does not mean that mere negligence is the appropriate mental state to support a conviction, and a statute must be interpreted to require specific intent if a requirement of general intent would not protect some innocent actors.”

So how does this help us, even marginally? I see it as a measure of security against the many strict liability laws* to which RCs are exposed. To me this means that if I was truly innocent in my actions, say I was hospitalized and couldn’t jump through whatever hoop, the law could not be strictly applied against me. If this is what this means, it could be a huge relief for those times when Murphy and his laws work against us.

I certainly hope I never need this possible loophole but if how I read it is correct, I do like that circumstances beyond my control remove the ability of the government to hold me strictly liable.

Thoughts?

*IIRC, strict liability laws are already unconstitutional in the 6th CCoA, or so it appears from reading Does v. Snyder.

I’m asking if there are any legal options I may perhaps research sex offender laws in California because I’m a convicted felon of 214.PC indecent exposure required to attend sex offender treatment while on parole in Humboldt county thanks again for

Kenny – It is PC314 not PC214 first off. PC314 as a felony is either because you had a previous PC314 or another related sex offense. In any case, a PC314, whether a first offense misdemeanor or a 2nd offense felony, they both require Sex offender registration. If convicted of a sex offense, you will have to do the same treatment programs, GPS monitoring and Polygraphs as any other person convicted of a sex offense. Strangely though, under federal law, indecent exposure is not even a registrable offense. Best of luck!

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