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National RSOL: International Travel Group

If you or someone you know was denied entry into another country as a consequence of registration, we want to hear from you. A new group, supported by RSOL National, is examining the issues related to registered citizens traveling, including the practice of the US Government notifying receiving countries that a registrant is traveling there. A representative of FAC will serve on the board of this new group. We want to make sure that your experiences areincluded in our efforts to enable registrants to travel freely and unmolested. Please send any information you have concerning yourself, another registrant or yourself (if you were traveling with a registrant) with details including dates, where you traveled to, whether you were detained, whether you were denied entry, and other information to Paul Rigney, rigneypa@yahoo.com, who is based out of Dallas, TX and chairs the group. National RSOL International Travel

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Great I’m sure hope this very big problem get solved soon I would love to be able to go on cruises again. It’s the cheapest way to have a very nice vacation

As a successful businessman, my business is hampered by my inability to travel and meet with potential new supplier and discover new supply chains. It affects the success of my entire company and all my employees. I was never accused of traveling internationally to hurt anyone nor ever did. A 20+ year old conviction locally and still being punished.

Almost exactly my situation. In my case, my partners and I own a small manufacturing facility in Taipei (which I can no longer visit) nor can I attend international trade shows nor visit customers in other countries (and virtually all of our customers are outside of the U.S.) which are essential to the success of our small business.

The once-thriving American business (with American employees) is now on the rocks as a direct result of my internal exile in the U.S. We’re now discussing closing down our company.

Both of you might do well to write to your state and federal representatives to tell them about your situations. As good as it is to say it on this website, it might do more good to tell it to the lawmakers. I do not believe this issue is on their radar in any meaningful sense (i.e. they have no idea of the real-life consequences of the laws they pass), and it would be good to put it there. It also would illustrate to them how this country is shooting itself in the foot economically with too many prosecutions, over-incarceration… Read more »

Thank you for your words of support. In my case, I have written to my Congressional representatives, Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, several times specifically about this issue but, to date (and it has been a year since I last wrote to them) I have not received a response. I detailed the collateral consequences to me of the defacto travel ban but, apparently, this did not rise to the level of warranting either their concern or a response. I will note that, in the past when I have written to them about other matters, they promptly replied, albeit with a… Read more »

I have written these same CA US Senators. plus my US House Rep. under Seeking Help from Government Agencies and none have responded, even after I request them to so. I believe, as CA RC, we need to mass mail these jokers.

I should have included former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, as part of the triad of my non-representatives (and non-responders) to whom I have written.

Wow. I guess I was naive to think that a politician would actually respond to a registered citizen’s valid concerns about his livelihood. That’s pretty rude, if you ask me. But it’s still great that you wrote those letters. Someone in the office must have read them, so at least you opened those sets of eyes to the injustice of this issue.

Flying to Paris next month. Got my fingers crossed. This is no way to travel, hoping and not knowing if you will be allowed to enter another country when you arrive.

Steve, were you able to enter France successfully? I have plans to fly to Amsterdam on Sunday and then take the train to France on Tuesday. Will I be able to enter the country? Please tell me about your experience.

Maybe 50 RSO should show up at the USA/Mexico Boarder. What could happen?

I am a bit at a loss here. The crime was committed on US soil, locally, domestically; there was no international crime denoted. The US cannot restrict travel as it is a constitutional right. The US already does hamper movement by forcing registrants to tell every local municipality when he/she is leaving as well as when he/she is arriving. That alone is unconstitutional as it unwarranted search by requiring the registrant to give up said information when he/she has not been a factor of a new crime to induce such a “search upon a person”. Yet, it doesn’t necessarily restrict… Read more »

The US government will continue sending sex offender alerts to foreign countries until this practice is challenged in a court of law. The cause for being deported from a foreign country is the US police alert. If this has happened to you, please share the details with RSOL.

I just stumbled across this requirement for registered sex offenders to notify the U.S. Marshalls Service of upcoming international travel 21 days prior to departure. I have a European trip coming up and because of this and stories about people being turned away by foreign nations, I am going to cancel my trip, Hope the travel insurance covers it.

Is anyone familiar with this Federal requirement?

http://ojp.gov/smart/smartwatch/12_spring/resources-2.html

It’s been that way for quite some time. My understanding (and correct me anybody if I’m wrong) is that if you are not in an AWA compliant state, you do not need to provide that info. California is one of many states that does not comply with the Adam Walsh Act.

Must follow state law. There is precedent law in US v. Lundsford (2013):
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ca8-12-03616/pdf/USCOURTS-ca8-12-03616-0.pdf
The 2013 GAO study stated that 22 states require notification before traveling overseas but only 17 states are AWA compliant.

The 21 day notification form appears to be for the purpose of DOJ/ DHS generating a police alert or green notice on the registered traveler. It does not appear to be any kind of approval form.

I never did understand this…. as soon as you leave your state you are subject to Federal Law. While less than half of the states are AWA compliant, Federal Law requires the 21 day advance notice. However, this requirement does not kick in until the second you leave your state, because your state does not require it. At the point you exit your state the 21 day notice is required, meaning you must enter a time warp and go back in time to provide said notice. You have automatically committed a federal crime. There is no way to avoid it.… Read more »

You are indeed correct. There was a Maryland case where a registrant was removed from the state registry, but under federal law he was required to be registered by the U.S. government. Since the federal government has no registering office the individual had no place to submit his information. The authorities in Maryland refused to accept his information after he had been removed from the state registry. I’m not sure what the outcome was for him. In my state, the registering authorities collect information that they do not require by state law, but is required by federal law so that… Read more »

With all these issues, and the fact that California is not AWA compliant in the first place, I have refused to travel outside this state, even though I’ve grown to hate it here.

“You are indeed correct. There was a Maryland case where a registrant was removed from the state registry, but under federal law he was required to be registered by the U.S. government.” How does that work? Been doing some research and come up with the following. Is this correct? Any input appreciated. The Registration Requirement under the AWA is triggered by EITHER registration currently required by the state OR by a qualifying conviction in state, federal or tribal court. And if the federal requirement exists, since there is no federal registry, per se, it would require registration in a new… Read more »

Here is a link to an article about the case:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-26/news/bs-md-sex-offender-registry-20130526_1_robert-merle-haines-jr-offender-registry

If memory serves me correctly, MD eventually did take him off under a second court order. However, that order did not address the issue of federal registration without state registration.

As seems to be the case, these laws were written and passed without any clear directions and judges continually decide to sidestep the important issues.

Correct, if you have a state charge, feds can only enforce failure to register with a violation of state law. You are not in violation of fed law if you are in compliance with state law. If you have a fed charge you may have additional requirements. If your state does not require notification to leave the country, then you are not in violation of fed FTR.
Read 18USC 2250 carefully. It states” as required” by the state statue.

Are we sure California is not compliant with AWA? I mean, for absolute certain? Another related federal statute is PREA. I am a CA resident, and was able to do volunteer community service work with men in the main county jail for three years post-offense, until CA aligned with federal PREA. My annual clearance for this and other volunteer work with men in jail and prison was denied when CA aligned with PREA (with CA receiving PREA-mandated federal funds for alignment). Now, I cannot do any more such volunteer work in jails or prisons, or even attend support events for… Read more »

Maybe they are afraid you might actually help these inmates to rehabilitate. Then the re-offense rate will become even more minuscule, and the whole government funded racket will lose its legitimacy, and they will lose their jobs.

From that page:
“This fillable PDF enables a seamless transfer of information from a jurisdiction’s registry to the respective destination country.”

Only in this new government “double think” can handing over your right against self incrimination be a “seamless transfer?”

At least that page openly admits they intend to notify a country we may want to visit. Disgusting, but there it is for all the world to see.

Enjoy your trip to Europe – no need to cancel. I was personally there last month. As long as you aren’t planning to enter the UK you should be fine traveling anywhere in Europe.

You’ve had no issues entering and leaving?

Correct, I had no issues entering or leaving Europe in July of this year. When you return to the US you will be taken to secondary inspection where they will probably check whether there is a warrant for your arrest and perhaps whether your registration is current.

Hello. I have plans to fly to Amsterdam and then take the train to France. As a registered person will I have any problems getting into either the Netherlands or France? Plane leaves Sunday! Thanks for any and all timely responses.

I doubt you will have trouble — haven’t heard of any problems in the Schengen countries. You technically enter the EU when you fly into Amsterdam so taking the train to France would not involve any passport control so that shouldn’t be a problem. Please let us know how it went when you return.

Paul, I am wishing you a wonderful, problem-free trip! On your return, please let us know how everything went! Bon chance et bon voyage!

Punishment is evident up and down. If these new era laws were not around when the registrant was convicted, they are clearly unconstitutional on that basis alone.

This is nothing new but just another bookmark of truth that we are obligated to underscore both as validation and as fodder to combat the thousands of lies, one by one, in hope it makes a difference.

California is a non-AWA state. If you are not on probation or parole, you are technically free to travel without providing any sort of notice. Please note that federal authorities lack any sort of registration office; they rely on local authorities to manage registration.

When I traveled out of the country, I went through the effort of notifying my registration unit. The deputy literally told me to have a nice time. No issue at all.

If you don’t mind sharing, what country or region did you travel to unimpeded ?

Sorry. Just saw your question. Mexico. May 2013, about 6 months before reports started surfacing about registered citizens being refused entry (I saw my first report on this website November 2013). My wife and I flew to Cabo to celebrate our 5 year anniversary. Thanks to the folks here, I was fully prepared for the return trip home. What I was not expecting were any issues getting into Mexico. I was wrong. Once we got off the plane, we headed to passport control. In Cabo, the airport looks just like any airport here, and they have a modern passport control… Read more »

Please don’t say “the guy was great.”

He was violating your rights and was simply using SOP of distracting you in casual conversation to see if you will give up any useful information – PERIOD

They are law enforcement and they are never great nor your friend. They are out to get you and nothing else.

“They are law enforcement and they are never great nor your friend. They are out to get you and nothing else.”

I don’t believe this at all. I have not had a run in with any law enforcement in 20 years. They are doing their jobs. SOME are a little more eager than others. We did this to ourselves.

You are really brainwashed. I feel sorry that you can’t see that and have been mentally beaten into submission.

We are being abused everyday with this treatment and there is nothing normal, moral, or legal about it!

Oh and some of us are in fact innocent and just got caught up in a system that is so foul and unjust that once you in they make it impossible to get out.

You might feel guilty and accept this second class citizen sh^t but some of us don’t think that way.

Yes, some officers may be nice and, they definitely have been with me. Some are even empathetic. But I never forget that they still have a badge. While I respect law enforcement, I do not trust them one iota, and I never will. I was in agreement with Steve until his final comment, “We did this to ourselves.” Not everyone. In many cases, it’s California’s draconian laws particularly with statutory cases. Many young adults and teens 16+ have been charged where in 30 other states, it is completely lawful. In other cases, the registered citizen is factually innocent (as in… Read more »

Doest anyone have any recent info about getting into China? Applying for early release of probation this month here in CA, then applying for a passport and will need to go to Shenzhen China to my company’s mfg. factory asap.
Thanks!

My company has a factory in Dongguan. I attempted to get the required visa through the Chinese embassy, and was promptly denied. On the other hand, others here have posted that they have had success, so perhaps it’s hit and miss.

My charge is a single 311.11 pc misdemeanor (only criminal history ever), dating back to April 2007. Charge was expunged in May 2010.

Paul, do you still have to register? From everything I have read, you are no longer reported by the reporting us agencies if you no longer are on the registry.

From my understanding, China has specifically forbidden convicted sex offenders from entering China.

If someone is able to get into China (who is not a Chinese national) with a conviction, then it may well be more of a case of oversight on the part of Chinese Immigration than actual disinterest.

@ commentor1

First, thank you for your post. But I am wondering why traveling to the UK would be an issue. I have friends there and would like to visit, if I can. Thank you!

DHS ICE & UK signed agreement this year regarding foreign travel of sex offenders, will likely impact future travel

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-uk-national-crime-agency-enhance-joint-efforts-combat-child-exploitation

This information exchange effort, managed by ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) as “Operation Angel Watch,” is in support of ICE’s role in the criminal investigations of U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents traveling to a foreign country for the purpose of engaging in unlawful sexual conduct with someone under 18 years of age, which is a serious violation of U.S. law.

Only if you live in one of 20 states. In the rest of country, it isn’t unlawful. I can see a big can of legal worms opening up here.

I mean don’t you have to actually commit the crime in order to be punished for it? Oh I get it, this is a way for people to enforce imagined crime, and make registrants pay for it, in advance.

A dream come true for anyone trying to hold on to a pension. Shooting fish is a barrel is easy and requires absolutely no acknowledgement of the constitution, bill of rights, or anything related to the principles our country was founded upon.

You will also want to read the UK immigration rules here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/422941/20150406_Immigration_Rules_-_Part_9_final_v4.pdf Read this part: Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom is to be refused (1) the fact that entry is being sought for a purpose not covered by these Rules; (2) the fact that the person seeking entry to the United Kingdom: (a) is currently the subject of a deportation order; or (b) has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years; or (c) has been convicted of an offence… Read more »

The U.K. was among the first countries to bar registered sex offenders entry. As part of the so-called ‘Five Eyes’, the English-speaking countries, of which the U.S. is a member, they were able to take advantage of the information sharing between them to ensure that American S.O.s, especially, would be disallowed entry. The U.S., of course, takes full advantage of the U.K.’s criminal records to bar British S.O.’s, as well.

The Five Eyes provided a model which could then be deployed worldwide through Interpol.

@ Robert

Oh gosh. Ok. Thank you very much for your input.

Received this email today. Hope it helps someone. ***** Hello, I am a registered sex offender in the state of California, with a single misdemeanor conviction of 647.6, sentenced to 3 years summary probation, convicted in November 2014. I am not on Megan’s List. I am aware that Green Notices are issued to countries for certain serious traveling sex offenders who are likely to reoffend. I would like to travel to XXX with my wife and children, and spoke to the embassy who referred me to your office to see if indeed a Green Notice would be issued. Any information… Read more »

Destination countries can’t answer the question why the US is designating people as dangerous and “likely to commit another crime in the destination country”, when the general re-offense rate for registered citizens is minuscule, and the likelihood of a former offender committing a crime after 17 years of not offending is the same as anyone else. Only the US has the responsibility of answering that one and explaining why their “intuition” overshadows statistics.

A better follow up question is: Why is the US Govt sharing domestic information and for what purpose? If one country restricts travel due to the information shared, then how is not the US Govt an accomplice in the restriction? As much as I like empirical numbers, there have been numerous reports how low sex offenders are at re-offending. Nothing has come to fruition due to the empirical evidence. That knowledge takes time at the grassroots level. Now, restricting travel of a US citizen – that is infringing upon a US person’s constitutional rights, which shall not be abridged. Equal… Read more »

I’m not sure where in the U.S. constitution it says it is a right for everyone to travel internationally. The interest here is that the U.S. Government wants every other nation to follow suit by providing a similar notification for people who travel here to the U.S. Since many countries don’t have a sex offender registry it’s not always possible to identify these supposedly dangerous people who could be involved in sex trafficking?

It sounds like New Person was talking about the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: [Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. Article 2. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth “or other status” (my quotes for emphasis). Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on… Read more »

“That knowledge takes time at the grassroots level.” How true. I think the present generation of leaders, who have stuck in their heads the ideal “if it saves one child it is worth it”, will have to be replaced by those who have experienced a different narrative, one that places weight on evidence, rather than gut reaction, before anything changes. Just look at how intractable other irrational motivators like racism and sexism are in the US culture. Change will happen at a glacial pace. We have to get used to it.

Because a person is registered, no matter the actual threat, USMS will send an alert. And then place blame or responsibility upon the foreign country for the denial of entry. There is no due process here.

So, Just to be clear. I am hoping to pursue my career in audio engineering and music, upon completion of my parole in about 9 months. If I wish to travel to another country to work, I may not be able to? So all facets are prohibitive, including work related?

The US Government doesn’t care to investigate the purpose of your travel before sending a green notice so whether you are traveling for business or pleasure does not matter. The fact of the matter is that you will be prevented from entering a number of countries and the list of countries taking heed of this notice appears to be on the increase. There are countries where you will be able to travel but the list is getting smaller and there is no way to know for sure if you can enter the country without going on a plane yourself and… Read more »

In the past , I have been to , sent employees and Drilling equipment to Africa, Haties , and Mexico . on Humanitarian water well drilling projects .
They won’t have to worry about me going there now !

Janice ,

Are there any movements towards a lawsuit regarding international travel ? I would be willing to donate financially to this cause.

I also think is might be useful to start a discussion area for donations , how much you receive now , how much you need to receive to make more of a difference , how many individuals frequent the site , etc.

I know that China has strict laws but has anyone traveled to Hong Kong?

I’m about to take a Royal Caribbean cruise to the Bahamas this coming April 2016. of course, I’m an RSO. Does anyone have experience or know for sure what the laws are or restrictions regarding taking such a cruise? Would I be able to get off the ship…. or even cruise in that matter?

Janice, would you mind giving me your input as well?

I think there is a good chance you don’t even make it on the boat. Sorry.

@Jo, thanks for replying. Do you have experience or just an opinion?

No, just from other stories I have read of people who have been turned away by the cruise line, likely not wanting the liability of some savage sex crazed maniac attacking children on their ship

Everyone talks and talks and talks. Must be nice not to have anything to do but complain about stuff that will never change!

patience, What are the choices do you have if you do nothing? I realize you are in a lot of pain, depressed which is an understatement and seem to have given up on life in general. But things do get better in time if you will only put some effort into changing. Damn man I lost everything I had, my home,job and in 2005 lost 2 daughters in a car accident. I was at the lowest point in my life,add probation, restrictions,fines and treatment cost out the azz, living in a small metal building because I did not want to… Read more »

HR 1515 was renamed to mention other sex crimes than sex trafficking and taken out the part about reducing the demand for sex trafficking which proved ineffective in its objective because registrants have been denied travel for 2 years or so and the reduction in the demand for sex trafficking hasn’t materializerd or we would have heard about it and the success in reducing the demand would be attributed to the defacto version of IML.

Well said, Craig.

“Copy and paste this and send it to all of us” God bless you! —————– Alert act now! The U.S. Senate passed International Megan’s Law with amendments and sent it back to the U.S. House of Representatives for approval. The Senate passed HR 515 formerly known as “International Megan’s Law” with another NEW title “InternationalMegan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation and Other Sexual Crimes Through Advanced Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders” and added a section about passports. Essentially, all current passports for folks CONVICTED of a sex offense/s MUST be reissued, with the words “SEX OFFENDER” prominently displayed on the… Read more »

Will be taking a trip to HK in a few months. I have been to Hong Kong this past year without issues. I was wondering if i will have problems TRANSITING through China.

Has anyone had recent experience with travel to Norway. I need to go there for a week. The NYS Registry has no problem with my travel. I am a level 2 offender with a felony. Any help would be appreciated. I am aware of the free travel within western European countries and away that re-entry back into the USA can be horrible.

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