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  1. I can't wait to die

    i have a question;

    If Bill Clinton and Monica was not regarded as a sex act then how can states and feds prosecute people and they become a RSO for Oral since according to capital hill Oral is not sex?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Actually, it was Billy boy ( his nickname when in Arkansas was Wet Willy), who brought us the mandate for national registration, who said it was not sex — and that was one of the comments that helped bring his impeachment, having testified that he “did not have sex with that women,” and later, when oral sex was proven, arguing that oral is not sex. It wasn’t Congress, it was Clinton.

      • I can't wait to die

        Yes but didn’t he testify in front of congress? thus that case should prove that oral is not sex

        • Anonymous Nobody

          As I recall, he was impeached for lying that he did not have sex with that woman.

  2. CA

    Janice, I was reading the amended version of AB 2569,

    (IV) Notwithstanding paragraph (3), an exclusion application already granted prior to the effective date of the measure that adds this clause shall not be subject to recision pursuant to this clause.
    can you explain? Thank You very much.

    • I can't wait to die

      CA,
      I think it means that if a person already applied for and has been granted exclusion that they will remain excluded and the revised law would not change that exclusion.

  3. mike r

    Clintons are above the law just as the privileged are just dumb kids who made a mistake give them a break but for the rest of us it’s let’s make an example out of them and throw the book at the deviants.

    • 72FLH

      agreed ! and that deviants book leaves quit a scare , all of a sudden the judges have a pitching arm , yet the very same judge is out picking up under age hookers and giving them money to destroy their lives as well , screw them by night , and screw us by day

  4. O.A.L.

    The U.S. commission on civil rights meets every month in Washington D.C. . Has anyone thought of attending this, Janice. They discuss and review a variety of civil right violations.

    • O.A.L.

      Rep. Martin Castro (D) is the chair of this commission. He appears to be a active supporter of our civil rights, not just chairing for political purposes.

  5. Kris Klein

    Wikipedia still hasn’t updated the CA RSOL site to make mention of the Alliance for Constitutional Sex Offense Laws
    Maybe some techies out there can change it. I wouldn’t know the first thing about changing a wiki entry

  6. Harry

    I have ask this a couple of times, already, with no response. I want to obtain a flyer/handout/brochure that is written and sanctioned by ACSOL/CA RSOL about ACSOL so I can hand out to interested parties.

  7. Bill Arthur

    The headline in this NY Times story is about the silly Pokemon law, but the content is broader and very in line with our general theme: “Though more than 90 percent of sexual assaults on children are committed by people known to the victims — about one in three of those by family members and the rest by others close to them such as friends, babysitters and child care providers, according to statistics from the Justice Department — many restrictions, like the Pokémon one, appear to be aimed at reducing the risk of assaults by strangers,”
    Contains supportive quotes from Fortune Society, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and NY Civil Liberties Union, which stated the gaming restrictions “appear to have no meaningful public safety benefit and are so vague as to possibly sweep in wholly innocuous behavior.” These are organizations we could enlist in our fight. Here’s the link to the story (I think it will work ever if you’re not a subscriber to the NY Times):
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/nyregion/civil-libertarians-skeptical-of-rule-banning-sex-offenders-from-pokemon-go.html?module=WatchingPortal&region=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=8&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F08%2F22%2Fnyregion%2Fcivil-libertarians-skeptical-of-rule-banning-sex-offenders-from-pokemon-go.html&eventName=Watching-article-click&_r=0

  8. Lake County

    Just in case you thought DNA was always valid proof of identity, it’s not. If you haven’t heard of this, it’s interesting reading:

    Strange but true: One person born with two sets of DNA

    http://www.babycenter.com/0_strange-but-true-one-person-born-with-two-sets-of-dna-a-chim_10364937.bc

    A mother almost lost custody of her children because DNA tests showed she was not the mother.

  9. David Kennerly

    It is interesting to note that U.S. policy towards those entering the U.S. as visitors is beginning to parallel, in some modest ways, their treatment of Registrants. They are now asking them to provide “social media identifiers”.

    It is said that this will be voluntary, for now, (although they have to start somewhere, don’t they?) but, taken in aggregate, with everything else we know about our government’s scrutiny of individuals as they cross borders, including collecting fingerprints and Interpol database alerts, plus the sheer scope of intelligence gathering by the U.S. at home and abroad, this should be taken as a worrying sign that the extreme scrutiny to which sex offenders are subjected is but the beginning of something much wider and more invasive. The government’s ability to keep us from associating with non-citizens, both by keeping them out and us in, is nearly complete. As this appetite for total control expands it will inevitably, and visibly, affect Americans as a whole. Will the frog notice before the water boils?

    “Rights groups decry plan to inspect social media of US-bound tourists
    It’s a “surveillance program clothed as a customs administration mechanism.”

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/rights-groups-decry-plan-to-inspect-social-media-of-us-bound-tourists/

  10. Katharine

    NICE win out of the Sixth Circuit, concluding that Michigan’s SORA imposes punishment. This opinion says a lot of things everyone here has been waiting to read for a long time.

    http://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/16a0207p-06.pdf

    • 72FLH

      Katharine < thanks for posting , , what happens now in Michigan ? are they going to lift the Reg , or still other factors to deal with?

  11. Bill Arthur

    After the Michigan Sixth Circuit decision, the door seems have opened to the Supreme Court. It’s my understanding (from Prof David Post and the Packingham discussion) that the SC will take a case where the Appeals Courts in different states disagree. And, surely there are cases where SORA is decided to be NOT punishment and therefore not limited by Ex Post Facto. This new decision only applies to Ex Post Facto, and the judges say that they will not go beyond that (although it sounds like they would like to) —
    “As we have explained, this case involves far more than an Ex Post Facto challenge. And
    as the district court’s detailed opinions make evident, Plaintiffs’ arguments on these other issues
    are far from frivolous and involve matters of great public importance. These questions, however,
    will have to wait for another day because none of the contested provisions may now be applied
    to the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, and anything we would say on those other matters would be dicta.”

    I guess Michigan would have to appeal (to the Supreme Court), but I think this could be the beginning of the end of registration as it now exists.

    Good discussion and comments here:
    http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2016/08/sixth-circuit-panel-concludes-michigan-sex-offender-registration-amendments-are-punitive-and-thus-ar.html

    • 72FLH

      good going , if we are able to keep them on their heals , this could be great , it is great because at least it shows that some are ripe to hear that this is punishment ,

    • nomore

      Here’s some logic forya… If they found that applying it retro was punishment, wouldn’t that mean it was punishment outright for all? You can’t call it administrative for some and punishment for others. It doesn’t matter if the person signed onto it later. The latter group just gets a much longer term for the same crime.

  12. James

    I would like to add that this decision is potentially very good for our current IML lawsuit in Oakland Federal Court. This could help sway the Judge to look again at our position and even if not that, then the Michigan case would still be good for any appeal should the Trial Court rule against our request of an Injunction against the IML.

    I have heard complaints against the ACLU voiced here….we should applaud them on this outstanding win and an actual advancement of our cause.

    Best Wishes, James

  13. C

    No drone for you.

    Add another thing we might not be able to do if this becomes law.

    http://www.hoverlaw.com/category/state/

    This is brought on not by pervs with drones over nude beaches and kiddie pools, but by the douche bags who get in the way of firefighting helicopters and first responders.

    If only someone could pilot a Reaper over Sacramento…

  14. John

    Can someone tell me if going to the virgin islands or peurto rico is still considered flying domestic? Is it international? Do I need a Passport? Do I need to notify the government 21 days prior. I no longer register in my state but if we had awa I probably would have too. Not sure where that puts me.

    • Erwin

      Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are American territories that don’t require a passport for travel. All you need is a state ID just like when you fly to any other state. Now if you’re talking about the British Virgin Islands, you’ll need an American passport to travel there by air. If you’re traveling by land or sea to Canada, Mexico, British Virgin Islands or any Caribbean nation (except Cuba) you can use a passport card which is a much much cheaper option. American territories like PR and Guam follow minimum SORNA guidelines when it comes to registration. So if you’re no longer required to register in your own state, I seriously doubt you’d be required to do so in an American territory but I would check to make sure. Notification depends on if you live in a SORNA state…..check to make sure

  15. Lake County

    New mandatory prison sentence bill inspired by Stanford sexual assault heads to governor’s desk.

    Assembly Bill 2888

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-updates-new-mandatory-prison-sentence-bill-1472511625-htmlstory.html

  16. Steve

    Can anyone give me and idea as to how long I can vacation in puerto rico without having to register? Has anyone else gone on vacation there? Any Problems?

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