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ID: Lawsuit over Idaho’s sex-offender registry laws expands to 134 plaintiffs

A lawsuit filed last year by 104 sex offenders challenging Idaho’s laws that require registration and community notification of sex offenders has been expanded to 134 sex offenders.

They say the laws violate an array of constitutional rights, from the prohibition on double jeopardy to freedom of religion. Full Article

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Can’t read the article. The page can’t be found.? If this is true, why can’t we do the same? Timing is everything. I, for 1 will gladly sign up. Should I try to call you Janice?

@HOOKSCAR, Mike R, Timmr, Lake County, & all other Esteemed Fellows & Fellowellas. I would encourage you & all to be proactive and contact the Attorneys for the Plaintiffs on the case. As their Plaintiffs are from all over the USA and it may be possible to add more Plaintiffs to their Case. In addition I would venture to reach the conclusion that Janice & ACSOL may not have the ability to file a limitless amount of Cases. —~~~<<>>~~~— Greg J. Fuller – Daniel S. Brown FULLER LAW OFFICES Attorneys at Law 161 Main Avenue West P. O. Box L… Read more »

@SoLCof
The article is a little unclear on the plaintiffs. From a couple readings of it, I infer them to mean that all the plaintiffs are in ID, but their convictions are from across the country. It doesn’t explicitly say that, but the article only references Does living in various ID counties, and the lawsuit only names ID officials and only alleges ID’s RC laws as being wrong.

–AJ

“I infer them to mean that all the plaintiffs are in ID, but their convictions are from across the country.” Upon reading this, I also think that all these plaintiffs now live in ID. I do agree that we as individuals should join in any opportunity to be part of a major lawsuit such as this, but I do not think us Californians as a group should join in our own major fight just yet. There are several interesting cases in front of the courts right now and we should first see how these cases are decided. If those cases… Read more »

I see it differently. Much progress is gained by simply speaking up for your rights. The longer you wait, the more difficult it becomes. The more doing it, the greater the message resonates and will be taken seriously.

I agree that now is the time for us to stand up and speak out. And to keep fighting for legislation that is fair towards us. And we need to stop bad laws. But when it comes to trying to end the public registry completely, we need to act carefully and patiently and wait to see how the current pending court cases are decided.

That’s how I read it. I don’t think we can join their suit unless you live in Idaho. Nonetheless, nothing would stop us from donating some funds if we have them to their case or starting a similar case in California or another state. Are we any less fed up than they? Either way it is progress. If they win there the arguments can be used other places. The courts are the only arena at present that will give us anything close to an equal hearing.

Even if we do not win at the court, it is a very good sounding board for the truth to enter the mainstream.

Timmr, I totally agree with what you say, the only way to win our freedom is to fight through lawsuits and helping with some donations might be a great way. We do not have the time to waste any more. Yes we need to be careful on what is filed but the time for all the organizations to stop talking and start filing is now. It is also the time for All RCs and their family to dig as deep as they can and donate to which ever group they want. Plus they really need to vote if they can,… Read more »

The article did state, “The plaintiffs come from across the state and country.”

@Harry Yes, and as I said, the article wasn’t written with the greatest clarity. I were convicted in CA, or NY, or TX, or VT and then moved to and reside in ID, I would be “from across the country.” That aside, how can a lawsuit against the officials and laws of ID affect anyone residing in states other than ID? It can’t, so the idea that any of the plaintiffs are anything but ID residents makes absolutely no sense. That leaves the only other conclusion: they are all ID residents, some convicted in ID, some convicted elsewhere. Where “from… Read more »

I’ve been wondering why this can’t be done, for awhile now. I’d be up for it. If enough of us fight, someone has to finally listen.

I look forward to the out come of this , all we can do is hope that some judge or judges in the long run choose not to play blind in these matters , I Say Judge ! Judge ! Stop the Hate don’t let dictators choose our Fate

Let’s see if (and hope that) judges in ID have gained some perspective from the 6th and Snyder. At some point, judges will run out of ways to twist and turn to try to keep the whole scheme alive. The ironic thing is that the rabid, salivating legislators who keep passing more and more onerous restrictions are actually setting it all up for failure. They keep piling straws on the camel’s back…

–AJ

AJ ,,,, you would think that the dang camel would be going on strike , because they have all ready stacked enough to smash a 2 ton truck , at this point the camel needs an attorney , but the poor thing would have to wait 30 years to get to court , and if the camel is an RC he will most likely loose his job and have to move because of some restriction , but the Gov don’t care about the mess’s they leave behind any more , just the money they can make off there cash cow… Read more »

I was thinking exactly the same thing (and have suggested it and offered to have my name included in any such class action suit) Here is the link: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article103701212.html Seems to make a lot of common sense to me… Here is how the sex offenders say their constitutional guarantees are violated: ▪ Double jeopardy: The laws impose new punishments on sex offenders previously convicted based on the crime originally committed. ▪ Religious freedom: Some churches and other places of worship fall within the places certain sex offenders cannot be, thereby interfering with offenders’ rights to practice religion. ▪ Due process:… Read more »

The complaints are all about retro-activity. (Although, why can’t this thought be used against IML as an added penalty?) What can be done for things are not retroactive? ▪ Equal protection: The laws are designed to burden an unpopular group. Can this be used in how 1203.4 negates the “removal of all penalties and disabilities” by keeping all registrants who qualify for 1203.4 to continue to register, which includes all the restrictions, penalties (including for failing to register), and continued in-person registration? If you read the exclusions of 1203.4, it just denotes who cannot get 1203.4, no possession of firearms,… Read more »

Awesome.

We need multiple class action lawsuits across the country- registrants and families pushing back in droves. At the very least it will show them that they have in effect turned a group that they wanted to keep downtrodden into outright warrior activists. This is how it starts. As a spouse, (and ironically a victim) , I am further victimized by cruel and unusual treatment because of these laws. I will be delighted to be a part of any legal action taken against their creepy registry.

Snyder, Peckingham this Idaho suit and next month the WAR class action suit will be filed in state and federal court. it would be a great surprise if Janice filed something similar to the WAR suit to really pile it on. Multiple suits targeting the registry as a whole would garnish a lot of publicity.

Like I have insinuated before, timing is everything. We should do something here as we have an opportunity to inundate the courts with the same facts at the same time. A war is fought on fronts. The more fronts an enemy has to cover, the thinner the defenses become. Janice, please do not pass up this opportunity. I know for a fact that if you put out a request to RCs to participate in a similar class action suit, you would have more than 134 RCs and family members participating. Inundate the government and show the public the facts. Show… Read more »

Does anyone really care about recidivism rates? I don’t. They could be up one day and down the next. Too much credence is given to statistics of unrelated people in my opinion. I guess real recidivism rates are certainly one angle of approach to take against the validity of the registry, but for judges that have been specifically chosen to uphold the tenets of the Constitution, those rates have no merit as a measure of any individual ( except perhaps for politicians, who have a 100 % recidivism rate of lying) When the Supreme Court said that the registry was… Read more »

I thought you can only suspend the constitution due to rebellion. I am with you, recidivism rates can be useful, but they are irrelevant to issues of ex post facto, attainders and other violations of rights. They are alibis for violating people’s rights. Somehow it feels like we are giving credence to the idea that 20% of a defined group can lose their rights because of the actions 80%. We are treating people as substances with measurable traits, not as humans with wills of their own. At what ratio of percents does that make sense anyway? What is the cut… Read more »

They get it, but ignore it, and continue to sanction the government’s power to sacrifice individual rights on the alter of their creepy collectivism. It seems like anyone can now have their rights revoked on a whim if it serves some social purpose. Yeah, recidivism rates in my opinion, are a red herring for us – a meaningless distraction. And by focusing on it, we are reinforcing the illogical premise that registrants are on some kind of high wire together and if the others slip up, they should expect harsher consequences. Trends and statistics should never be used to restrict… Read more »

No. There have been studies before the registry and after the registry. Nothing’s really changed. So three things: 1. The SCOTUS’ promotion of 80% recidivism rate is proven false by Dr. Ira and Tara Ellman. 2. The actual rates of recidivism before and after the registration enactment hasn’t changed throughout recordings. (This makes the registration scheme useless on the basis it does not change anything.) 3. The recidivism rates are low. You need context, not individual concepts with recidivism. Points 2 and 3 run contrary to Point 1, which brings into question why did the SCOTUS use only that one… Read more »

Apparently the danger to children hasn’t risen enough to declare marshall law on registrants, officially. It has in effect done so with special laws for registrants. The arrest rate has not risen in the past two decades and indeed it looks like the rates of sexual crimes has gone down, as has much of violent crime. So does this mean the registries are working as are other questionable police tactics? The powers can use this argument, and justify suspending rights by it. If the rates go up, they use the argument that they need to have tougher laws. You forgot… Read more »

I believe there is more than enough face value that governments are knowingly use lies to perpetrate laws and conditions for incitement of hate and harassment. It would seem like lawsuits against every state and the US government can be lodge them on these principles, alone?

I’ve contacted all kinds of attorneys and every organization out there to rally around my motion and have even started a gofundme campaign as well as a website with my draft of that motion. I have gotten a whole five people to donate and no organizations or attorneys seem to want to touch it. I guess it doesn’t really matter because I will get it into court on my own if I have to it’s just going to take longer and is going to be way more difficult than if I had an attorney but anything worth having takes a… Read more »

all these suits are great but no one wants to address the elephant in the room the lie of high recidivism rates and pound home that argument. justification and lack of effectiveness I believe is the downfall arguments for the registry along with the overly broad and vague issues and the disproportionately of the punishment is extremely excessive and cruel and unusual. you watch these are going to be the winning arguments in a future case sooner or later..

I agree. If there were a “Bill of Attainder” challenge as part of a class action I would hope the first major point made would be the SCOTUS itself started the avalanche of not only lawsuits citing their “frightening and high” and “80% recidivism” falsehoods, but also Legislators when they passed literally thousands of laws across the country and down to the city level. The most damning evidence is also in many of the quotes found on Oncefallen’s web site where people admit they are passing the laws to stick it to sex offenders and don’t care if it’s unconstitutional.… Read more »

I think in order to challenge “the elephant” and be SUCCESSFUL you need to have, many many many research papers citing the real recidivism percentages. I think we have finally got enough to go in and call BS.

If people would take seriously what I have drafted and actually read it through you would see the merit in my arguments as well as a extremely articulated set of arguments. I know I have a great foundation to build upon and that if people came together we could do something great. I suggest everyone who’s serious about doing something look at my site http://mllkeys20112011.wixsite.com/mysite and lets either get this in court or use this as a foundation to create a wider reaching class action. something has to happen and it isn’t going to if all we do is talk… Read more »

Hello, I like what u have to say, have you contacted Janice about this and get as many people as possible on board? Power in #’s and she has won restriction laws in like 80 cities stop enforcing in fear of lawsuit, so if they think there right in what there doing then why did they back down? Because it’s unconstitutional and they know it

Mike r, I have read your draft, who in any of the other groups with legal minds have looked at this and given you any input or advice, what is the end game if something like this was filed and what type of cost would be involved? Then who would benefit? Why can all the groups in all states not become unified for one massive push at the registry or at least a fair way to get off the registry similar to California but a shorter time frame. Then how does this tier system affect the ones who live in… Read more »

I am not alone in seeing the prospective achievement in what I have drafted and even will basler from sosen who I respect immensely supports my motion and effort and he is the most articulate person i have found when it comes to making string arguments for our cause.

Time is priceless. It’s one of the most precious thing we have in life on earth.
Time can also be a weapon used to PUNISH and OPPRESS. We can’t physically see time, but we know it’s always there.
I’m with you Mike r

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