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LA: Debate builds over suggestion by child rape victim’s mother to create sex crimes arrest list

ST. TAMMANY –  Should there be a public list for sex crimes arrests similar to the state’s convicted sex offender registry?

The mother of an alleged child rape victim is making that suggestion after learning her child’s accused attacker had been free on bond for almost eight years, awaiting trial for child pornography charges.

“I’d love to open up a dialogue because there’s no reason that what happened to my daughter should happen to anybody else’s daughter,” she said, “That way we can look at these people and say, hey, this person’s been arrested for a sex crime. They might not be convicted, but I need to keep an eye on this person.” Full Article

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  1. AJ

    Thank goodness Amazon is developing drone delivery of goods. That way, all of these incredibly fearful people can avoid ever stepping out into society where it’s not always rainbows and unicorns. I think we need a fear-mongering registry so we know who the Chicken Littles are we need to avoid. Maybe one day they will realize it is impossible to “outlaw” crime. It will always be with us. Always.

  2. totally against public registry

    “Should there be a public list for sex crime arrests similar to the state’s convicted sex offender registry?”
    OMG! Should there be a registry for stupid people? Or maybe people who stare at other people too long in public places? How about a registry for shopaholics or gamblers or people who talk too much (like some neighbors) you want to ignore?
    I guess eventually all American citizens will be on one registry or another! Very sad that this country is going more and more towards hatred and vengeance instead of love and kindness

  3. Chester M

    I think the more ridiculous registries there are the better. Animal abuse. Drunk Drivers. Arson. Pre-Conviction. Whatever. It just opens up more opportunities for these cases to heard and precedent to be set against them. If a lifetime animal abuse registry case goes before the supreme court, the odds are better that precedent will be set in our favor.

    • AJ

      @Chester M
      …or, SCOTUS applies the logic from Smith to the case, and cements another one into the laws of the land.

      • A.

        Yup, and then when they ask Justice Roberts for his own opinion, he will say: ” well, there is more than one type of Price club. Costco, Bj’s , Sams Club, etc. etc.

  4. mike r

    It’s going to come down to criminal records are to be considered like medical records, confidential available only on a need to know basis and with your permission …I could and probably will make a case for that as well as my gun rights back after I win on this current motion……..Wouldn’t it be ironic a layman with no legal experience wins these types of cases…. Hey you never know unless you try right……….

    • Tired of this

      I think you are absolutely right. Criminal records should be available only on a need-to-know basis. As we see time and again, the average citizen cannot be trusted with this information. We need to rethink this notion of “public record.”

  5. mike r

    I can’t find anywhere in the US constitution or bill of rights or any state const. where the public has a right or a protected liberty interest to know my personal information no matter how many times they say “we have a right to know”…No actually you don’t but I do have rights to privacy and rights to reputation and rights to be free from unreasonable and oppressive official actions and so forth….Just like gov. tax records, gov. med records, DMV records, social security records, and I am sure there are more, those are all public records kept by the state or fed gov. and are not public records that can be disclosed to the general public. I haven’t checked out when or how criminal records came to be disclosable public records but I am sure a case can be made that they are not disclosable to the general public and the public has NO protected right to KNOW…

  6. mike r

    By the way all those records often have associated court records and guess what..Athough public record those court records are Not disclosable to the gen. public…

  7. AlexO

    “I don’t think it’s a major violation of ethics or civil rights or anything like that because it’s just like your arrest record,” she said, “If you get arrested for something like that, it’s going to be on your arrest report. Your employers will be able to see it, it’s public record so it would essentially be the same.”

    So if this is already happening, what else are you asking for? It’s not like this is the one criminal activity that hides the arrest record and you want it to be made public like everything else.

    • Tired of this

      Speaking of public records, I think we, as a society, need to seriously rethink what should be considered public record and what shouldn’t, or at least what should be online. Many records that are currently freely available via any search engine for any random nutjob to see and disseminate should require, at the very least, a trip to the physical location of the record’s origin/archive and a reason for the request in writing, similar to the days before the internet. “It’s public record” is a phrase far too often uttered by those with an axe to grind. It’s the reason vigilantes and online extortion sites continue with impunity.

      • Nondescript

        I think the registries are a precursor/ beta test for what’s coming. They certainly seem to be getting us acclimated to the idea that everyone’s past, current habits and future predilections can be a matter of public record. Facebook is probably a big player in this ( perhaps even why it was created) . You can now go online and find out just about anything about anybody including what kind of car is parked in their driveway. But it takes some time and snooping. Of course the corporations or their lapdog, the government , will be more than happy to compile all known facts about every citizen into a nice publicly accessible database as a matter of public interest or to “keep you safe ” which really means to divide and rule more efficiently. I don’t know if the sex offender registry will ever completely go away – it could just morph into what I think it was intended to be all along….. to include everyone. Privacy will be extinct.

        • Timmr

          I think you are right I think we are all soon to be permanent citizens of the Village, sprung to life right out of Patrick McGoohan’s distopian TV creation. What do you want? Information. Who are you? We want information. By hook or by crook we will get it. But in this modern version people give it willingly, on their phones and smart home and vehicle systems. The deviants will be forced to register, not because it is necessary to locate anybody anymore, there is technology for that, but just to humble and humiliate and ostracize. Is it corporate bureaucrats trying to sell us something, government civil servants getting us to act a certain way, or oligarchs amassing their power? Or some hydra head of them all? The thing is, they know everything about us and we can’t see who they are. The Panopticon.

        • Nondescript

          Well of course all those devices are given to the public to make them think they are the beneficiaries of technological advances that will make their life easier. But most people can not see the bigger picture, nor would they ever want to believe that they are, to those in power, just like livestock being corralled . And when they can’t see who the controllers are, they are more likely to dismiss the notion altogether . The bureaucrats , government minions and the power amassing oligarchs play their role, but just as prison guards are in the same prison as the inmates, they are not at the apex. The hydra head is probably an artificial intelligence or interdimensional presence or both. Whatever it is- it hates humanity. Carlos Castaneda gave us a clue.

        • Timmr

          I don’t know if it is an entity, but maybe the result of plain old deadly sins like greed, for money for power for dominance. The power structure, business, government, whichever, that enables the harm is I think immaterial. Those high sinners in power were considered by Dante to inhabit the lower levels of Hell. Our sex offenses were considered to be lesser matters of incontinence, biological reactions rather than premeditated schemes to harm. Life out of balance. Now it is just the other way around. Greed is good and even praised, destruction of the lives of whole classes of people for self aggrandizement, but sex is without redemption. That is why I am in constant need to touch the earth, like Antaeus. I feel pretty much abandoned by this human race to the lower levels.
          I was searching for an address today for work, and in the search results was a site called Neighborhood Report. I was curious, so I clicked on it. This site gave the names of the people in the household and any and all complaints against them, if any. Talk about a private Megan’s Law like list. Now if someone doesn’t mow their lawn or has a loud party, or yells at their kids, anyone can find out who it is.
          Humanity is focused on the dark side. It wants to know the dirt on it’s neighbors. It urges everyone into protection mode. Disturbing.

        • Timmr

          Many biologists consider humanity a super organism. I think there is value in that description. There is sum intelligence at work, look at how products are developed and reach the market to fill a perceived need. There is a lot of unsung creative cooperation that no other animal is capable of. Although, I think there is a maladaptation taking place, as our primal character interacts with the power of our technology. Humanity seems like it is hating itself, isolating and destroying its own members like a social Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Registry AIDS.

        • Nondescript

          @timmer “premeditated schemes to harm”.
          Yes. Their favorite tool. And do they ever wield it ! Carefully and cleverly to varying degrees but not to everyone at once. Trauma can jolt people from a slumber and out of their illusory reality and we can’t have that happening en masse. They might get restless and fight back. The deviant registry ( and they will define deviant to suit their whim) will have many disguises before they’re done, and all humans are deviant so it’s only a matter of time.

          Yes, our bodies are a super organism, but we probably have a supra super organism trying to lead humanity to its demise. We are a host by nature- to biologic albeit microscopic parasites that are just waiting for our defenses to come down to compromise us, so it is not a stretch to accept that we are susceptible to intelligent mind/ etheric parasites as well. ( And I think those that are launched into powerful positions are infested)

          I don’t know if humanity hates itself but it sure does doubt itself. I think people are increasingly focused on the potential dark side of others because their intuition, or more accurately, their spidey sense is aware of the increasingly prominent dark forces that reside within themselves. And just as we beg a doctor to give us some pill that will mask our symptoms which also reinforces our sense of powerlessness, we are told to feel better with a public list of ” bad people” but that too is meant to reinforce the public fear and powerlessness. And ultimately, the desire for the unwarranted confinement and oppression of others is a manifestation of our ineptitude to heal ourselves.

        • Timmr

          Interesting perspective. Ethereal organism may be there, maybe that is where the dark matter that supposedly dominates the Universe is. It may be we are so out of balance in relation to everything else, there is an ancient wisdom in the smallest organisms working in concert that seeks to eliminate the source of the imbalance, hence, us. Many bacteria also benefit from us being alive. I guess there is a microscopic war now going on everywhere. The bacteria really have nothing to loose. They will be here after a nuclear holocaust.
          My other theory is that we have learned to distrust our own freedoms and become afraid of letting others have any. Remember George Bush accusing the terrorists of “hating our freedom”. Well, I think there are plenty of people in America who hate whatever freedom we still retain. That is the refrain I always hear coming from the pro registry camps. There can never be a free registrant as long as there is a victim somewhere that feels un-free. It is that kind of weird moral mathematics going on. They want to add freedom to one side of the equation (victim) by subtracting freedom from the other side (offender). That is not how to balances an equation. You have to add freedom to both sides to achieve balance.

        • Nondescript

          @timmr
          I think the math is even weirder than you suggest. By constantly reinforcing this victim/ offender dichotomy, they are able to suck the power out of both. “Victim” is from Latin victima which means a dupe, or someone who has been conquered and sacrificed to a supernatural power. No wonder they love to use that word. ( but that is a whole other subject)

          Yeah , I agree. Freedom is becoming an anomaly and something to be mistrusted. I think the desire for it is actually being bred out of us. The one thing that is nurtured by freedom and stifled by continuous monitoring, and restrictions is creativity and imagination- and I have come to believe that, that must be the biggest threat to ” them” of all. Once they harness those from us, we are just automatons without the ability to imagine an alternative way to be. A better way to live.

          We are either going to beat them at their game, or our future really will be the “boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”

          Collective imagination is our real power. We need to yank their boots off before it is too late and I do believe it is possible.

        • Timmr

          We haven’t improved much since the beginning of civilization. We put down the Aztecs, say, for tearing the hearts out an enemy or sacrificing a virgin in order to make it rain. Now we have to keep the victim and offender forever in their roles to prove a point that we are making some kind of better world. It has gotten more sanitized, but the pain and the death is still there. That pain and suffering is believed to bring about something productive, but actually serve as catharsis, so the people won’t feel like rebelling. Bread and circus the Romans called it.

  8. Chris F

    Another case of lets just make everything that happens put people on magical lists that protect the public from them.

    So, he abused the girl over 2 years and the mother had no clue? Did she try to look him up on the registry, and does she look everyone that comes into contact with her kids? Probably not, so him being on the list or not is irrelevant.

    How about putting it back on the court to not allow 7 years to pass without bringing the porn case to trial, or perhaps he should have been on some pre-trial supervision all that time? There are lots of ways this problem could have been avoided, and none of them have to do with a public shaming list that wouldn’t have been checked anyway.

    This goes to show that parents need to be vigilant regardless of any lists, because had the guy not gotten caught with porn, you wouldn’t even be asking for a new list of those caught and the child still would have been raped by this guy.

  9. Stephen

    I remember a court once ruled if the public and reporters are allowed in the court room, a person can have no expectancy of privacy.

    • Registry Rage

      Yet Megan’s Law circumvents reasonable expectation of privacy in one’s home/dwelling/living quarters.

      I hate America.

  10. Timmr

    Not sure how this new registry would have protected her child. There is not enough information here. Even if they listed addresses, that doesn’t prevent a potential offender from traveling and offending beyond his neighborhood. The registries we have are no good in protecting children, why would this one be any different? Most cases by far are within the family. While the parent is diligently looking up names on the internet her spouse is statistically more likely the real danger. False sense of security and many lives of the accused ruined all on more feel good legislation.

    • JohnDoeNC

      Maybe I’m naive or just nostalgic.

      When I grew up in the rural south in the 50’s and 60’s it was different. We knew our neighbors back then. Because we took the time to do that. It didn’t mean we socialized it just was what people did back then. We rarely called the Sheriff Dept for anything other than the most dangerous situations. We handled things in the neighborhood. More than once my parents got a phone call or a knock on the door when we misbehaved even for serious stuff.

      We had two close neighbors who had both been to jail/prison. One of them lived across the road from us. He was very young with a new wife and baby when he was arrested for armed robbery. Everyone in the neighborhood new his story and how long it had been since he committed the crime. BECAUSE people took the time to know him and not his offense. He turned his life around and was a valued member of the community.

      On the other hand we had a neighbor close by that was constantly in and out of jail. Never really could hold a job for more than a few months. He had jail house tattoos all over him. He yelled at and abused his family and was constantly arrested for assault and other crimes. But we knew him too. And parents in the neighborhood had little to do with him. As children we were not forbidden to say hello to him or play with his kids. But we were absoulutely forbidden from being on his property and never in his house.

      Today it seems that people rarely get to know people in the community. We rely on law enforcement and the internet not our neighbors to know what people around us are like. With the proliferation of all these registries we prejudge people on their past actions without ever knowing the facts.

      As an RC I would be happy for my neighbors to talk and get to know me. Sadly that will probably never happen. And no, I would not be the least bit offended if the kids in the neighborhood were banned from my house or property. I would actually encourage that for my own safety.

      People need to stop relying on list and start relying on their own personal interactions with others. Take the time to know the people at your job and in your community. People should not be judged simply by the worst moments in their lives.

      • AJ

        @JohnDoeNC
        Good post, and so true. We’ve become a nation of fences too high to talk over. I’ve always used an analogy about how when I was a kid, if some adult came along harassing me, some neighbor who saw it would come out and step in to stop whatever was going on. Now, that same neighbor will peek out his/her curtain, will probably not get directly involved, and may or may not call the police. Worse, the net outcome of it all may well be the kids’s parent getting in trouble for endangering the child! I have long said most of our problems are due to the “loose weave” of our social fabric. It’s not gone–we still socialize some–but it’s nowhere near what it was. Technology, be it video games, this board, FB, or whatever, is making it only that much worse.

        Thanks again for your post.

  11. kind of living

    hell the news papers are bad enough , i could see trying to pick a jury , Q do have you know anything about this crime from any kind of news outlet or internet web site ? A no judge i never go to that web site as god is my witness ! how is a person supposed to be presumed innocent with sort of algid victim grand standing ,

  12. Clifford Ray Irby II

    Ah! Leave it up to the backwater inbreeding state of Louisiana to say , “A registry of arrests!! Let’s segregate ’em out with the pitchfork by torch light!”

  13. National Johns Suppresion Initiative

    Good bless Cook County, IL!! Another public list that wants to be created!! Good grief…the sheriff there has mass murder happening everywhere and he wants a public list…

    While the story here is tied to Harris County, TX, it started in IL…

    http://fox6now.com/2017/08/06/national-johns-suppression-initiative-pastor-trooper-sex-offender-among-1k-arrested-in-trafficking-operation/

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