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OR: Starting in 2018, Life in Prison for Oregon Sex Crimes

NewscomOregon is about to enact one of the country’s most draconian, carceral, and unnecessary “public safety” measures. Beginning on January 1, 2018, certain sex crimes committed in the state will come with a presumptive sentence of life in prison, without the possibility of parole or release. Full Article

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I actually agree with this law if it only applies to the people who have gotten caught a second time. If they abolish the registry along with this that would be a better outcome. That way the recidivist 1-5% would be put up and the other 95-99% would be able to live constructive lives. They would have to refine who it applies to, as sodomy shouldn’t be as this would strictly target the homosexual community. I may be a bit biased on this because I was raised on the “you only get one” system growing up. As in break the… Read more »

I agree Sam, As a RC, for one minor offense (peeing in public) over 20 years ago i was so embarrassed. That was more than enough reason for me to stay out of trouble. The registry humiliation has had no inpact. It has only served to continue to make me feel harassed for 20 plus years. But I also have to disagree with AJ. My parent did time, 5 years for a brutal molestation for multiple years of his own children. He did half time. Great for him, right? Yep, he gets out and after only four years he has… Read more »

My point was that if/when they put people in prison for life for these sentences, recidivism will have to come down…because they’re all locked up. You actually make my other point for me, in showing that nobody comes forth when it’s Uncle, Aunt, Cousin, Dad, etc….and this draconian law will only dissuade people from being blamed for “breaking up the family” or “sending the breadwinner to jail.” Nowhere in anything I said should have been construed as supporting any sort of registry. If any notion was inferred, it was either my poor writing, or your poor reading. Either way, not… Read more »

AJ, I think you missed my points. Just to reassure you, I did not infer about (your) stance on the registry. I was speaking to everyone reading my post that I am for laws that give more severe prison times rather than having a registry at all. Two, I may not have been clear in my statement about my own dad. His victims, not me, were little children that did not report him because they grew up with this life, not knowing any different, not knowing right from wrong. I was never privy to the abuse although I had weird… Read more »

“I would venture to say that most encounters between adults and small children victims are unnatural, brutal and violent in nature and very damaging to the victims. There is no love lost on a monster like this.” There is good data for believing this to be untrue. Your father appears to have been exceptional. Read “The Trauma Myth” by Susan Clancy.

@BLS ,,,,, ,, so let me get this right , someone molest children don’t matter if its daddy , uncle , MOMMY , SISTER , AUNT , TEACHER , your cool with them getting prison for life ? hahahah! but you can go out and murder someone and still get out ? or drunk drive and kill a whole family ? because you just went piss in public , SO’s get raped in prison too. and get some bogus program that they have to pay for , while our GOV is pissing billions of bucks off on stupid a$$ wars… Read more »

I think all crimes should be case by case…. If a drunk driver kills a family they shouldn’t just get probation or a light sentence because “they have a family and a future” (this was the reason given why they let the person who killed my grandfather off without anything but a speeding ticket, as well as the man who killed four of my friends the first day of class freshman year of highschool) If someone murders another person the punishment should be equal. Even though people can reform there is no coming back from killing someone. Even as ex… Read more »

You completely negated your original point. How can you say that crimes should be case by case, yet in the third paragraph state, “If someone murders another person the punishment should be equal. Even though people can reform there is no coming back from killing someone.” The taking of a life (like sex crimes) also differ greatly from each other. That’s why we have murder 1 and 2, involuntary/voluntary manslaughter, criminal negligence, and justifiable homicide. The problem in our system is that the one crime that doesn’t get the case by case analysis is a sex crime where the system… Read more »

I have been around for almost six decades, and I don’t remember the term “sex offender” used much if at all in general parlance until the late nineties. I remember my dad hiring a man who was convicted of statutory rape. No mention he was a sex offender. Everyone knew he wasn’t the same as a rapist. There was some level of shock to that offense, but it was maybe a three on the one to ten scale, with ten being torturer/murder. Those kinds of distinctions are lost in the sweeping definition of the sex offender. We heard stories of… Read more »

@NPS I should have explained better by saying murder. I meant those who willfully and callously take another person’s life. Or the drunk driver who plows down the road and kills a family of four, or the car full of my friends the first day of class, or my grandfather when he was working as a crossing guard for the school. Not a big fan of how they rule those cases as in each of the ones I had showed up to court for the judge just let the guy go without even probation. Self defense deaths are that, self… Read more »

@Sam

That is Old Testament thinking we do not live in Old Testament times. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the way we live.

Not quite a thing of the past, some like representative Chris Smith, author of the IML want us all to go back and have a plan to attack the seven mountains of modern culture: business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion, and structure a state based on their particular view of the bible. https://medium.com/@jimesilverman/rep-chris-smith-blurring-church-state-ab7e3874386d

Oh, this looks good although, it appears that the author would place Smith’s war on sex offenders as an exceptional, positive contribution. Thanks!

Yes, quite unfortunate, he is not an ally, but it brings up a question of hypocrisy in Smith. This movement that the representative is alledgedly tied to approves of adult men marrying minor girls if consent of the parent (father) is first obtained. I can’t yet find any material that directly shows his support for this, haven’t looked too much, but it is something to look further into.

I don’t know what you are talking about. I din’t get past the first half of your rant. Yes, I think that murderers should get stiffer punishment as well as a lot of others. You are inferring a lot into what I wrote. I will not read further. You are adding to this as if you know where I stand on everything. You are taking a lot of liberty here as if I wrote a 50 page article of what I believe covering many facets of crimes and punishment. I am for longer sentences for crimes in genera esp repeat… Read more »

@kind of living. I did get offended and responded improperly. Then I re-read and apologize for accidentally posting my initial thoughts without enough explanation. Skip that. Here is what I mean it to sound like. Yes, I think that murderers should get stiffer punishment as well as a lot of others. You are inferring a lot into what I wrote. You are adding to this as if you know where I stand on everything. You are taking a lot of liberty here as if I wrote a 50 page article of what I believe covering many facets of crimes and… Read more »

BSL ,,,,, ,, Read and hear what ever you like , but when you really have no idea how easy it is to get a second case , once your on the radar so to speak it is quite easy to get a second case , with no frigging case , but you would have to live it to know that , but what about when the case’s that are not in anyway the same ? and in the beginning the police were just looking for someone that had nothing to do with a sex crime , and when you… Read more »

@kind of living… Okay, I have only a few words. First, I have empathy for you. I can tell by your words that you are a unique individual with a unique situation. I can see that you may have done things you wish you had not, but you feel bad about it. It sounds like you have become victimized by the system which can be the monster itself. I have experienced some of that with my situation in a big way directly threatened and verbally attacked and treated like sub human. I may not have experienced many of the things… Read more »

@ BSL ,,,,, ,, if all that happened to you I am truly sorry that life bit you in the ass , but one of the problems is that anyone can say or tell everyone that anyone that will listen these nightmare storys , and that’s all we here is the negative about being a “victim” that’s all we ever hear about , but no one wants to talk about the (Big Pig) in the room , that’s right in everyones face , and that be because of this already slanted system we have to take plea deals , and… Read more »

I agree. 🙂

@BSL,,,,, ,, I am glad , because now we can brake out the,,,,,,,, SODA POPS AND CORN CHIPS! no really , I hope things work out for you and yours ,

@BSL: First, and most importantly, I’m very sorry to hear of the horrible environment you and the others endured. Even without any direct abuse, you were certainly affected by the poison of the environment. Your father (IMO, you didn’t have a Dad, only a male parent) sounds to have been on the of extreme cases who do merit more severe consequences. I hope you and the others have received the appropriate and necessary help in dealing with the traumas, attachment injuries, and pain. Second, thank you very much for clarifying and explaining. I sincerely appreciate that. I spoke with hyperbole… Read more »

Thanks AJ. Very thoughtful.

Personally, I am very weary of truth in victim stories, this site is suppose to be recognized primarily to support ex offenders and bring balance to the abusive fuggggged up legal system! So if people are talking about abuse on this site, it makes me wonder if 5 o is online!!

By the way! I know for a fact 5 o definitely is monitoring and engaging this and many sites! With that said…..do not be deceived 5 o are not always directly associated but often indirectly! Eh, believe what you will! What better ways to be in control of others freedoms than to constantly impead, impose and implement ones political, idealistic, and legal biases at a targeted group…..the more negative and in-depth emotional, personal and politically sensitive the stories and propaganda, hear say the deeeeeeper the BS goes! Have a great new year!

@ trish ,,,,, ,, you know that’s right !

So first rape is ok, second is not.

The first time isn’t even okay. If the offense is brutal, like forced rape, against little kids, kidnapping, drugging someone and raping them then the initial punishment should fit the crime. But for those who peed in public, consensual sex between underage, people who got caught up because someone said they were older than what they were, they should get a second chance after they served their sentence. Not be on a registry for life. Everything should be taken into consideration on a case by case basis. Here if you’re convicted of rape you are caned and put in prison.… Read more »

You have a point, a temporary bit of extreme physical pain is more humane than a lifetime of mental anguish caused by registry laws.

There’s a lot of feigned outrage that drives the push for these measures. Americans are ADDICTED to outrage (actually, it has reached a fever pitch with “metoo”) and lawmakers know how to exploit this. Megan’s Law is built upon the foundation of quicksand, though, so It’s just a matter of time before they realize they’re at war with THEMSELVES.

I actually agree with this law too. And rest assured, after the kill-shot our elected representatives just issued to us this year, the same thing is coming this way.

Here we have the reaction to the mounting losses in courts over the registry. I’m sure this will cause the rate of sexual crimes to plummet… In fact, the reported offenses will probably go *down*, as nobody wants Aunt Susie, or Dad, or Cousin Jim to go to prison for life–so they’ll keep mum. They *can* at least guarantee the recidivism for the covered offenses will go to zero.

I very much agree with you. Our program director told me that it wasn’t until the system in general started promising the victims (usually children) that the offender (usually parent) were going to get actual help and return home that the victims started actually helping the investigation into their abuse. Prior to that most would remain silent due to fear of forever losing their loved one.

Human nature is that if we feel there will be some sort of retribution for speaking up (dad goes to jail, fired from a job), we humans simply will not speak up. It’s been proven occupationally in all sorts of high-risk and/or high-consequence fields. It’s called Safety Culture, and started in the medical field, and spread into the oil industry. These sorts of laws will create a disincentive to report abusers within the family, including the type of person BSL mentions.

There may also be a disincentive for the rapist to stop whatever he is doing with this life sentence. After the second rape what more could one loose by continuing? Life plus 1500 years? A rational scoundrel may say, heck, I’m going away for good now, may try to live it up and commit as many offenses as possible until caught. Of course the more victims he has, more likely he will be caught, but do these guys really think like that? More likely the higher the stakes the more adrenaline it produces. The more feeling of power and success… Read more »

There has long been speculation that the extremes of punishment have very likely led to kids being killed simply because some perpetrators are willing to do so to eliminate witnesses. This is a serious question that has never been addressed or taken seriously.

You are correct sir! The likelihood of the perp killing the victim just went UP!

@ Tim ,,,,, ,, what proof do you have ?

@David ,,,,, ,, and why would they my friend ? how bout a study on why the USA has by far the largest prison population in the world , and why it is that country’s like Germany have a better grasp on RC issues than the US ? just seems to me that our country is lacking in giving a dang about fixing problems rather than chucking a few bucks at programs to further punish , and buy votes from a sick paranoid people that have been brain washed into fear , the whole reason the constitution was created was… Read more »

David, I really appreciate your comments. In the UK there was a discussion on this exact point a few years back, as their own fervor on the subject increased; the people asked why the sentences were so “short” (5-35 years depending on type and severity of offense, life in very very very few cases). The government’s basic answer was: If we make these punishments more severe, we simply encourage the perpetrators to kill their victims so they can’t be reported (it is also very hard after about 3 days to tell a body has been sexually abused, absent obvious things… Read more »

There is also this concept called “The Precautionary Principle” which has caught on, especially with busybodies and the legions of big-government fans, such as the EU, who think that there is no level of risk which is acceptable and believe that government must explicitly allow something having determined that it is without risk and, if not, then it is illegal. The Precautionary Principle has become the only acceptable way to raise kids, I’m afraid.

I don’t know the right answer here but is locking more people up the right way to go? It’s always for us, not for them. Out of site, out of mind. Meanwhile, they rot, become better criminals, become hardened..etc. I wish the US could more efforts into prevention and rehabilitation. I find it humorous how everyone wants sex offenders locked away forever…okay, fine but who’s paying for that? Shouldn’t these people be first in line to open their wallets when taxes have to go up?

With a law like this the, “grave threat” to vulnerable persons will INCREASE.

Ironically, the measure was put forward by the gentleman from SALEM!

GOD has sense of humor.

For what it’s worth, I don’t have a problem with the law as summarized in the article. It even makes sense in some respect – true sex offense recidivism would drop, it probably wouldn’t add much cost to the prison budget, and the purported “need” for the registry would diminish even further. (Note: don’t take that to mean I think the registry is “needed”. I fervently believe the public needs a sex offender registry like a fish needs a chair) Nonetheless, I don’t think it should have passed. The biggest problem as I see it is that the three crimes… Read more »

You make some good points. I’ve thought long and hard about this and if you learn anything from history, anytime a group is marginalized the only way they escape it is by choosing a particular bad segment of their own population and sacrificing them for the sake of the rest; e.g. “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so, since some of the group even hate their own, the rest of the group is ok for me to treat humanely. I’m not going to bring up any specific examples, though I have them, because it’ll bring things WAY off… Read more »

The U.K. just has slightly different ways of being completely batshit insane. Their laws are better in some ways and worse in others. For one thing, you don’t really have the option of not speaking to police there. If you don’t answer their questions, it can be used against you. If you watch police procedurals from there you will see that their suspects are not necessarily being stupid by agreeing to be interviewed by the police (as they would have to be if they were in the States) but that they have little legal choice. Their criminal sentences are shorter… Read more »

I do agree with this law multiple sex offenses sounds like you already had your chance to be a productive member of society and you blew it.. so yes you should be locked up for life BUT !! the problem with that is what if someone lies on you…. the state of California thought about passing a similar law but quickly back out because they felt that once A offender cames to the realization of what he/she has done and what he/she is facing the offender might kill the victim out of desperation knowing he/she is facing life in prison

Wow! This was a lively exchange we had back in December, 2017, wasn’t it? An oldie but a goodie.

You’re completely wrong, of course.

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