OH: Child flashers will have to register as sex offenders

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1. Brian June 27, 2018

   i am not a fan of public wankers, but, would it not make more sense to put this guy into mandatory phych treatment? Why do we need another stupid law. This Schaffer guy is a wanker also.

   • Will Allen June 28, 2018

     Forget mandatory psych treatment. Useless. And very often does much more harm than good as it typically acts as nothing more than an extension of the government’s probation and parole offices. No one is going to be “helped” by people who are trying to harm them.

     Frankly, we don’t care why a person does this, we just need for them to not do it. So put the guy in jail for a few months. If he does it again, put him in for a year. Etc. It will stop or he will live in prison.

     And why do people think that people who do this need “treatment” and people who shoot people don’t? Just for one example.

     Unrelated, I find it interesting that the flasher in the article could’ve pointed a gun at the children on the school bus and no one would’ve thought that was particularly dangerous. He would not have had to worry about any Registry or being prevented from living near schools or being in them. Clearly it is a lot more dangerous to see a $EX organ than have a gun pointed at you.

     • CR June 28, 2018

       “Unrelated, I find it interesting that the flasher in the article could’ve pointed a gun at the children on the school bus and no one would’ve thought that was particularly dangerous.”
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       You can’t actually believe that. No one is going to be nonchalantly unconcerned about someone pointing a gun at kids on a school bus.

       • AO June 28, 2018

         @CR – Agreed. But he also wouldn’t be on any registry after he completing his sentence. You’d think people would be more concerned about keeping track of someone pointing a gun at people than having pictures on their PC, or worse, consensual sex with their like-age partner (looking at you, all you states prosecuting minors on stupid technicalities).

       • Will Allen June 28, 2018

         I was being sarcastic.

         But it must be true. If people thought that pointing guns at children was dangerous then surely we would have created a national, public, lifetime Registry for such people well over a decade ago! Surely we would use that Registry to apply all sorts of retroactive, useless, idiotic restrictions to such people. Surely we would not allow Gun Offenders to live near schools and absolutely not be in schools! Surely.

         It is beyond ridiculous and idiotic that we have many people listed on the $ORs for comparatively harmless activities when we don’t have Gun Offenders Registered. Or people who beat other people. Or break into homes. Or rob people using weapons. Or have committed manslaughter. Or have “accidentally” killed someone. Etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. THAT is un-American and it is complete proof that the $ORs are not really for public safety, protecting children, or any of the other lies that the terrorists tell. The $ORs are for hate, harassment, and money.

     • R M June 28, 2018

       I had “mandatory psych treatment” (like many do). I wasn’t told with whom though; I chose a psychiatrist myself and it was the best counseling ever, just what I needed. I discovered “why” I committed my crime (anger and jealousy mixed with many years of alcohol) and several years later after being counseled alone and the victim being counseled too, we were able to counsel together and in the end we can see each other without another present.

       Telling a person not to do something doesn’t work. They have to understand why they did and then, only then, will it end.

       I din’t just wake up one day and say hey, I’m gonna commit a sex crime; it was years and years of various emotions building up that eventually led to me to offend. Hell, I didn’t even know it was a crime.

       • Will Allen June 29, 2018

         I’m glad you had a good experience. But I was talking about the vast majority of experiences, which are not good or productive. There will always be outliers.

         I think therapy in general is probably pretty good and useful for just about anyone. It is just that the forced “$EX offender” therapy is mostly stupid and counterproductive. The relationship is adversarial. Doesn’t work for most people. For example, people can’t be helped by people who are forcing them to take polygraphs tests and telling them that they are liars. Or who are threatening to tell their probation/parole officer things and get them put in prison. Doesn’t work.

         But your second paragraph is completely wrong. Telling people that something is illegal and to not do it keeps almost everyone from doing it. And frankly if someone does something illegal, they don’t have to know why they did it. They just have to know to not do it. Punishment and consequences are very effective for most people.

2. Facts should matter June 27, 2018

   Another non-violent, non-contact offense added to the registry! How would this even be a future deterrent to prevent another individual from doing the same thing? It won’t! Like Brain above said, this guy needs intervention and behavioral therapy, not his life ruined on the list because he can’t keep his gun holstered.