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MI: Judge: State sex offender registry can’t be enforced in pandemic

[ – 4/6/20]

A federal judge is commanding state authorities to stop enforcing rules under the Michigan Sex Offender Registry Act during the coronavirus pandemic.

According to an interim order U.S. District Judge Robert Cleland issued Monday, officials are “preliminarily enjoined from enforcing registration, verification, school zone, and fee violations of (the act) that occurred or may occur from February 14, 2020, until the current crisis has ended, and thereafter until registrants are notified of what duties they have under SORA going forward.”

On Valentine’s Day, Cleland declared the act unconstitutional and urged the state Legislature to move to bring the law into compliance.

Under the February decision offenders would still have had to report to their local law enforcement agency or state police post through mid-May, while orders encompassing Cleland’s ruling were drafted by the parties. After that, unless the state Legislature acts, the Sex Offender Registry Act would no longer be enforceable against those who offended before 2011.

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I understand judge is suspending all in-person registration until the state of emergency orders are lifted, but that is scary that the judge is still stating it is okay going prospectively after 2011. So, this punishment is okay as long as it is not retroactive. It is cruel and unusual, or at minimum definitely disproportionate in all but the most extreme cases.

The judge is suspending more than in-person reporting.

The case in Michigan was always the “new” laws introduced that superseded the purpose of the original SORA, which was deemed punishment and applied retroactively. The registrants after 2011 only knew of the new law. That would have to be a different case.

While I agree the whole registry scheme is unconstitutional, the courts are not at that stage yet. An analogy to this situation at this juncture would be that slaves went from property to 3/5th of a person, yet not a whole citizen.

@Mike….why is it scary? I know the whole concept of a registry sucks ass but if you’re post 2011 then it’s not ex post facto…you should be getting SOME relief from this deal…here’s my experience from the last 25 years: 1. LE registry only 2. Public registry 3. Internet online registry(photo) 4. Let LE know what college you attend 5. $35 1x fee 6. 2006-residency/work/school boundaries 7. $50 annual fee 8. Tier placement- no risk assessment 25 yrs. to lifetime this list doesn’t account for the trips to retroactively provide DNA samples & palm prints or the 2x yearly visits… Read more »

I agree. My conviction was in 2000. About three years later into my incarceration I was told “The feds passed a new law and you must abide by it”. I thought it was tough talk, after all, my conviction was years ago at the time, how can you just make up some new laws (obviously punishing ones) and I have to abide by them post conviction? That was when reality hit me in the face that I was barely an American citizen.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but if I am correctly understanding, if the legislature rewrites the law whether before or after the deadline imposed by the judge and rewrites the law so that it is constitutional, then I am thinking that means the law is not considered punishment and therefore is considered a civil law. And civil laws can be made retroactive (I think that should not be allowed). So is it possible the pre 2011 class could come off the registry and then put right back on the registery as long as considered constitutional? In any case,… Read more »

Well, it looks like we are going to have to wait even longer now, since Whitmer signed another emergency executive order until May 28th, this is really starting to get ridiculous and blown out of proportion. This needs to end now. The Judge needs to order the removal of all pre-2011 registrants immediately. Have they had their 30 confidence check in yet?, does any one know, if the judge doesn’t act soon and order the removal soon, this crap is going to drag into next year. Just my opinion of course.

@All, I know I asked this in the other post, but since I’m a Pollock and trying to rap my head around some of the wording in the order, I will ask again and apologize for the repeat. I know it’s a temp order, but in some of the wording like ” thanks and void” and when they say people will be sent letters in the mail to what there duties are after the covid 19 emergency is over. So when all is said and done does the order also mean that all pre-2011 registrants will finally be removed from… Read more »

@ Bobby, There is no final judgement yet about pre-2011 as it is stalled. I’ll put together excerpts from this article that pertain to this thought: *** start of excerpt *** On Valentine’s Day, Cleland declared the act unconstitutional and urged the state Legislature to move to bring the law into compliance. Under the February decision offenders would still have had to report to their local law enforcement agency or state police post through mid-May, while orders encompassing Cleland’s ruling were drafted by the parties. After that, unless the state Legislature acts, the Sex Offender Registry Act would no longer… Read more »

@Bobby I hate to say it, but you’re wrong.. This is an Injunction against any enforcement of it at this time for us. It is NOT the final order. It does fall in line with what Cleland ruled on 2/14 but this is to protect us from prosecution during the emergency. It also MAY extend past the emergency and until we receive some clarification from the state regarding our requirements moving forward. It sounds to me like we will have the letter BEFORE the Injunction is lifted and I’m not sure that it won’t extend till the 60 days elapses.… Read more »

@Bobby……I know that you’re trying to hear what you WANT to hear in this order. But, you said it yourself it’s TEMPORARY……this is a stop gap measure to get us through the COVID crisis….unless I’m mistaken the state will still get their 60 day window after the FINAL notice is entered within 14 days of the end of the state of disaster/emergency. Which as of last night was extended until April 30th. Whether or not that gets extended again is anybody’s guess.

The words are pretty clear: “preliminarily enjoined from enforcing registration, verification, school zone, and fee violations of (the act) that occurred or may occur from February 14, 2020, until the current crisis has ended, and thereafter until registrants are notified of what duties they have under SORA going forward.”

Until they give you a list of duties, its on hold… It’s not a bad order

I love this judge Cleland, he just may set the new precedent for our country. He seems like a real impartial judge that isn’t influenced by who is watching him. He rules on what is right.

The judge is ruling on what is humane. We’re humans in his eyes.

Thanks for the clarifications @ new Person and @ BM and @ Josh, very much appreciate your input, so at least it sounds like it is almost over for us, Thanks again for the explanation.

So within what @guy said

We are able to go for a walk around the schools track for some exercise at least for now?

It’s safe to assume that this Corona thing is just a bump in the road and not the long-awaited camel straw.

Facts should matter.
Fact is all MI Registrants have an ally in Judge Cleland. The punitive ( retributive) intent is further exposed by effect displayed by the people. The extra impetus here reflects the judges impatience. He wants the issue resolved post haste!

“…a bump in the road”. I’m not too sure about that. My intuitions is that that this bump will be more than a bump, not just in Mi but nation wide. Of course, society doesn’t agree.

This our chance to show the world that during a crisis with no registry that people are still safe not to parade around school or push our noses up at police but to show them that we are human that we can do this without rules look I’ve been on this for 20 years and it is time we show them that we are not to fear if we all just remain human and calm. Look at Martin Luther king he did not scoff he stayed the course as an educated black man hew had a vision our vision is… Read more »

Can someone clarify this a bit more for me? I have been following all4consolaws coverage on the MI case since October, but as a 2013 registrant I can only look forward to what changes are brought to the registry, and not so much removal… But, it would seem to me in reading this that all registrants are affected with the current pandemic. Are we not required to verify now? Until the new rules are set forth? If they arent updated to fall in line by July, do I have to verify? Any help understanding our current situation a little better… Read more »

@ Billy. I totally agree. Now we have an opportunity to show them who we are, not what they labeled us as. Right now it is a temp situation and we should be extra careful to not give them any ammo to use against us. The schools are closed and no one has any business being on school property. For now, find someplace else to go for a walk.
You can bet there are backers of the registry who are looking to prove their point. We’ve come too far to screw it up now….so just be cool.

“so just be cool.” This is important point, Nick and something that I practice and every RC should practice and I call this “avoid the appearance of misbehavior”. I am active in church setting that I have no restrictions, and nearly all know about my past. I purposely avoid any and all contacts with any child. if possible. If, I am requested to be part of an activity that there are children, I do this with plenty of adults that are aware and I avoid and chummy contacts with kids.

@Billy, Nick, Harry, Etc.: I appreciate that you guys ought to do whatever it is that makes you feel the most comfortable. Do your fight. But f*ck this “opportunity to show them who we are”. Who are you going to show and how?! I don’t know about where you live but where I live, there is no one around who has any idea what I’m doing, where I live, how I live my life, etc. They wouldn’t know a difference between me being listed on a Registry or not. If I was removed from the Registry tomorrow, it would not… Read more »

I don’t follow the “show them who we are” reasoning either. What exactly are we supposed to “show”? That we don’t do anything? That’s been on display for the entirety of the registry’s existence, they just refuse to see it. The Montrose County (Colorado) Sheriff took the registry off his website in September 2017 in the wake of Millard v. Rankin. Predictably, the fear-mongering press and a handful of local idiots screamed about it, claiming among other things that all “sex offenders” were going to move there and put everyone in danger. Guess what? Didn’t happen. Nor will it happen… Read more »

@Nick, Harry, et al What is the point others are wanting to prove at this time that we should be “just cool” to show them we are not what they think we are? If someone wants to walk the track at the school, then they should be able to without issue. If they want to walk by a school, playground, day care, etc for exercise, they should be able to. I think @Will Allen and @Dustin have great points. Be who you are daily, you will blend in a lot better. This is not a trial and error period in… Read more »

@ Dustin So what exactly are we suppose to show them. I liked your overreach stance a lot better. Should we all say much of this registry ordeal is sour grapes mixed with a bunch of bad mash from distilled law makers that can’t even distill one’s brains or some law that was crafted in some back alley. Dustin you make a good point. Dustin this contrivirus didn’t come up for nothing or who put this enticement on the internet to start with. Did Ali and Cosell take jabs at each other to be the greatest? A lot of ths… Read more »

Anyone notice that the MSP sex offender registry is down and not able to search?

Just checked and I was able to search. Did notice a cheesy small notice and link about the judge’s injunction. They end the write up saying the judge’s order does not preclude voluntary compliance with SORA. What A bunch of a-holes. No one should fall for that. Right now you do not have to register or comply. They are prevented from total enforcement for an indefinite period. Enjoy your temporary freedom. Clearly after that, those who do have to register (offense occurred after April 2011) will not have to give email addresses, car license plate, and a few other things.… Read more »

“voluntary compliance”. Yeah, that’s hilarious. I expect lots of people will want to voluntarily comply because it is such a critical public safety mechanism. Ugh, nope, they are trying to sell their Registries scam to the wrong people. Informed, moral people know that Registries are not needed or beneficial. But they also know they are much worse than just worthless. So people who actually care about public safety won’t be doing anything to help keep the Registries scam afloat. Moral people are trying to shut down that money making criminal enterprise. Registration is war. It is forced at the point… Read more »

@Cory…other then the new recaptcha feature they have on the SOR page, I can assure you that the registry is still operational and unfortunately I’m STILL on it….it may have been down for maintenance or some other reason but it’s working just fine now…

The facts were already there, many just chose to be crusaders for the cause regardless of reality. It’s an ideology they’re pushing at that point, an elaborate and formidable illusion at the tax payer’s expense.

The facts are there. There aren’t any informed, moral Americans who think Registries are acceptable. None.

But the “sex offender” business is big. They are selling the ideology and promoting the business. It is going to be nearly impossible to pry the $$$ and business from their immoral hands and destroy the Registries.

$$$ has overridden the immorality of private prisons, probation companies, etc. It will keep the immoral Registries around as well.

Which is why actual war must be waged on the immoral harassers who think Registries are acceptable.

Just watched Fox 2 news here in Detroit. They were talking about how the Director of the MDOC, Russ Marlan, on April 7th, put out a order to remove all tethers. But an hour later, he rescinded the order after many complaints from state officials. Fox 2 news did an interview with a Oakland Co. Parole officer, who didnt want his name or face mentioned due to safety and job concerns, interview was in a strip mall parking lot on 10 and Greenfield, in Southfield, when report Charlie Langston asked him if he was worried about convicted felons were to… Read more »

You know I had a thought. Since the ruling goes by offense date rather then conviction date,,, that’s a lot of dates to look up. Other things need looked up like recapture offenses,,,, or do we even recapture with a subsequent non sexual offense if the offense that requires registration was before the recapture law??? If so for who? If we do get recaptured say for a felony anything,,, which set of registration laws do we have to follow? Who even decides? There is a lot of junk for them to figure out. Tbh I can still see this being… Read more »

To be fair, him being a Probation Office, he has seen countless people go through his office scamming, not wanting to follow the law, and him sending them back to prison. (sexual crime or not). Its expected someone in his profession to be pessimistic about ex felons in general. While hes wrong for saying what he said, imagine if you were never in this situation and were looking from the other side. Theres a good chance you’d believe the lies said about people on the registry as well. While I’m not defending him, I can understand the “sheepish” mindset he… Read more »

Oakland County is Corruption HQ along with conspirators in AG Office in Lansing, for legal details.
1000s of fake sex crimes prosecutions exposed
BBBillions are due to Oakland County and prosecutor’s victims over 20 years of FRAUD
Deliberate deception / trickery / Misconduct / Malfeasance
Kidnappings / Defamations / SOR unlawfully forced to

Not new (been reading for years but never commented). My boyfriend just had his tether cut off on tuesday morning. Oakland county parole officers are a whole different breed than wayne county . That interview just affirms it.

Please forgive if this is a repeat post. I just made one and the phone locked up and my post vanished while I’m the process of submission. I was thinking about the conviction/offense date stuff. No one ever kept track of offense dates except the court. Myself my offense date isn’t clear. I had alibis for the first three tries so they changed the charging statement to “on or about”. I’m also concerned about recapture. Judge C didn’t address it. It was part of the 2011 amendments to SORA so I don’t want to think it’s a factor but I… Read more »

@ TS I fully intend to walk the track,even attend my 50th class reunion next year at my high school, etc. Since 95 I have felt the registry and then then restrictions are bs. What I said was that maybe while this thing is in a temp status it might be a good idea to take it easy until the final order is given.I have the same reasons for wanting off the registry as all of you do. I am blind and as long as I am on the registry I will not qualify for a guide dog. Tjat is… Read more »


I don’t understand the tie between being a registrant and a guide dog. Please explain as there has to be another way for you to get one despite being a person forced to register. Afterwards, maybe someone will come forth to help you get a guide dog since ADA compliance is Fed Law if one needs accommodation.

As for the rest, GO FOR IT!!! Rooting you on to walk the track and for the 50th….

@TS I didn’t t gee the connection between the registry and a guide dog when I received the denial letter. First let me say that you will not find a guide dog school in the US that is federally funded, which means they can do as they please. I consulted the ACLU, ADA and Michigan Civil Rights and all confirmed this fact. The schools iew it as a liability issue because most of the school only provide training at their facilities. The training averages 3-4 weeks on their campus, coed, dorm style accomodations. Bacially they are afraid of being sued… Read more »

Does anyone know why I keep getting “call to action” emails from the ACLU? I appreciate the work til this point but all i want is my original sentenced reinstated. I really do not care what happens to post 2011 registrants. The original lawsuit was the correct constitutional violations and now it seems like they are using the recent win to fight the whole registry. I would have never agreed to be a part of this suit had I know this was the plan. I don’t want the list changed, I don’t want review boards, I do not want private… Read more »

“I really do not care what happens to post 2011 registrants.”

In my opinion, that is not a good attitude for any of us to have. I think that those of us who are lucky enough to be relieved of registration should be the folks on the front lines fighting for those who remain on these lists. I hope you will reconsider your stance.

Thank you @G4Change,
You are so right, we need many more like you on this site, I believe most on here do share your viewpoint as do I.

no I will not reconsider a thing. I was granted relief by a judge. The judge told the state to bring MY sentence in line with the constitution. I’m not fighting for anyone and if the ACLU insists on using this as a platform to push their agenda on the SOR I will be hiring my own attorney to point all of this out. This would all be going alot smoother and alot faster if they would stick to the issues at hand and not try to make whole sale changes to the list as is because I for one… Read more »


Then by all means get your own attorney and do it yourself. You ask for help from an organization and get inconvenienced because they are fighting something bigger than yourself.

My recommendation is for you to get the F off of this website then. Everyone here is here for the greater good for all of us. How dare you post something like that!!! That has got to be the single most self-centered and selfish comment I have ever read on here. LEAVE!

The original judgement was for the six planitiffs, NOT YOU. It was NEVER applied to all registrants. The one filed last year is.

@ Warpath. I agree 100%

Holy moley Warthpath at least you haven’t jumped off the broklyn bridge yet. The thing about Janices form is one can get a lot of insight from listening to some of these text messages comments on here. Give me time to speak, who’s bearing the sword in vain, who’s acting like little children to instill upon another. Is a servant above the master? Are many or much of these sex offenses corruption in themselves. Who forgives in all this kayos or does money soothe and give a pat on the hand of the one that offended. One can’t blame anyone… Read more »

Saddles……what? I’m not sure I understood any of that

* hands Saddles some of my chill pills.

@ warpath, Right On!

cool story warpath bet everyone is super scared of you. Anywho, to ANY AND ALL of the pre 2011 registrants you can also make it very clear you did NOT in fact sign up to fix the registry and that you also would just like the relief you were promised. You are under absolutely ZERO obligation to wait any longer than you have to so the ACLU can remake the registry. Plain and simple your sentence was found to be unconstitutional. The reason it was found that way is because in effect you were resentenced after the fact. That was… Read more »

@theotherNick…..I respect the idea that you want to take things into your own hands! I did and still want to as well. However, you are boxed in right now and you’re options are pretty limited. Until that permanent order of judgement is entered & not this temporary interim order that we’re currently under, there’s not much you can do….You can file in state court but the prosecutors & judges at the state level won’t touch this without a final judgement at the federal level….They are all subject to elections. You could file a 1983 suit in the district federal courts… Read more »

@theotherNick….The ACLU doesn’t work that way. Their stance has always been to help as many people as possible in regard to the registry. You can express your opinion to them but I doubt you’ll make much headway… The ACLU has undoubtedly played the long game here as we’re all keenly aware. They have been patient, cautious, & not overly pushy with the courts and it seems to have paid off with the last 2 rulings being figurative spankings for the state. I know you won’t want to hear this but they not going to listen to individual gripes. My feelings… Read more »

Sounds sensible.

I’m not sure where people get off thinking the ACLU owes them anything. So many complainers probably have never even given them a dollar. Perhaps those people should’ve gotten off their asses a decade ago and fixed their problems themselves?

I just hope that people who aren’t concerned that other people are forced to register are forced to register for a very long time. Life works for me. The ACLU should just withdraw from the case.

I am done with this conversation. Respond how you like. I’ve been fighting this fight for a long time. I’ve donated a pile of money all for everyone’s, including myself, benefit. A long list of others have done the same. Someone that would dare get on this site completely dedicated to righting the wrongs of these laws and make the comments that you have made tells me all I need to know about you. I’m over it….

I understand the frustration, but the stupidity will get you NO WHERE. WAKE UP! They are doing the best they can. If it wasn’t for them you would have NOTHING! Try it on your own, guarantee you won’t succeed. And if you ignore the responsibilities, off to jail you go. Simple as that. Be patient and DONT irritate them!!!

@Warpath remember I was on here a long, long time ago and yes while I can understand Janice’s view’s and many more on here don’t we all seek true justice and understandng. Sure wrong is wrong but who serves a lifetime being bitter or bickering at others. Truth is the tipping point in everything and even Janice had a conferrence about that. Yes I did get tired of Janice’s platform for a while but she does have spirit and that’s what it takes to stand up for justice as do many on here. We are all at the tipping point.… Read more »

in other words justification is better than vendification.

I’ve been seeing a lot of people complaining about their rights, because of the covid 19. All I have to say is welcome to our world.

Ok, to all the Brain’s out there that understands all this legal bumbo jumbo, I just got this in an email it’s a Michigan Supreme Court order about the Betts case. It seems like his case is also dragging on, Please anyone what does it mean?.

Bobby, this means that when they do oral arguments the prosecuting attorney will get 10 minutes to speak for the People of the State of Michigan. Also some other group called “Law Professors” may file amicus briefs for advising the court.

The rights of Americans are slowly vanishing. This small net that they have had us all in is now going to get much bigger now. Now again for public safety they are going to start tracking everyone. Now the feds have found a way to bring AI on line. They want to know all of your contacts day by day. Google and I think Facebook are going to set this all up and use the the AI system that the feds have been developing. So now everyone going to see how we live. They have all ready seen how it’s… Read more »

@ ghost I definitely agree with what you are saying. Government take over.

@Sheldon If that’s the way way your looking at that, then your just a little bit behind my friend. They have already taken over, now there starting to take control.

Its control of everyone. Has nothing to do with the registry. The registry was just a tool that is used for a distraction. Nothing worse is going to happen to registrants, but yes government control of everyone(all US citizens) will occur.

Could Some one please clear up the bottom paragraph of this letter from the MSP website regarding registering ? It seems too me its saying we must still register ? I copy it from their site. MSP NOTICE: Interim Order and Injunction Impacting Enforcement of Michigan’s Sex Offenders Registration Act April 7, 2020 On April 6, 2020, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan issued an Interim Order and Injunction in the case of John Doe, et al. v. Richard Snyder, et al., Case No. 16-13137. This case is a class action lawsuit challenging the constitutionality… Read more »


MSP can put new people in the system that might have been recently convicted.

“The Court noted that the interim injunction only prohibits enforcement of the SORA”.


“The Court specifically prohibited the defendants and their agents, which includes members of the Michigan State Police (MSP), from enforcing registration, verification, school zone and fee violations of SORA”

@BM…..I think @Edson was talking about the last part where it says we can be good little registrants and VOLUNTARILY comply with our SORA responsibilities during the COVID crisis. Can you believe the balls on these people? LMAO……what a bunch of assholes! The arrogance of whoever wrote that to assume that there are people so civilly obedient that they’d submit to this willingly….

@Josh / Edson – I MISSED THAT PART! My bad… hahahaha.. That really is funny that they put that in there. What a F*KING joke. I wasn’t registering BEFORE the actual injunction when I found out they were turning people away. Haven’t since Dec last year. Like you I’m just waiting on the final judgement and any new law to see how it rolls. And if need be at that point, I’ll be fighting my own fight as yourself.

LOL, right?!

But it is not “civilly obedient” or disobedient. There is nothing proper, moral, legal, or American about the Registries. A person is not being civilly appropriate or obedient by following them. The Registries are an immoral, criminal act of war. If you don’t comply when/as/if you are forced, you’ll be imprisoned at the point of a gun.

Thank You BM & Josh , yes that’s the part I was not sure of what they mean? Thank so much, They kind of make it so we do not really understand what they mean. Was not sure if we had to go verify still .

I just bought a new truck and called to see if I have to come in to update the information or give it over the phone and the MSP tells me that I still have to come in to give that Information. Any thoughts on the legality of them having me come in still during the covid when they could take the info over the phone or not enforce it ??

@Cory….I wouldn’t go in and report that vehicle especially if you’re pre-2011….no enforcement means no enforcement for the duration of the COVID19 emergency order…you can do what you want obviously if you’re not comfortable but in my mind you can report that new vehicle when this is all over. Just my opinion….

@josh. Yeah my case was in 1998 when I was 18. I Called back and talked to the MSP sergeant and He told me no the other officer was wrong and I dont have to come in or do anything.

When a person is not on probation or parole, it is not acceptable that the person needs to report anything to big government, other than what any member of the general public has to report/do. Unacceptable. The fact that a person has to do it in-person is 100 times more unacceptable. So this is not acceptable at any time, for any reason. I really, really hope that people who are forced to do this type of nonsense are not just sitting around every day and not retaliating. No Person Forced to Register should go for a week without executing some… Read more »

Lets prove the country wrong on these laws. Since we are not registering at the moment by the general public census, we are all suppose to be out there violating every law that violates human decency right?
I bet almost no registrants get new arrests or convictions in this time while we what for covid 19 to pass.
Proving that these laws dont “protect” anyone and are useless ! Proving these laws of suppression are wrong and un American! America is dying a little every year!

Tony I totally agree with you. I told some people about it to but I hope everyone on here or other sites listens and actually thinks about this.

With the State of Emergency extended now until mid August, it only takes one more extension for the “60 day clock” to end after the election. I think new legislation regarding SORA will be much fairer and more favorable to us if its passage can occur after the election. I think the last thing we want to see is our representatives having to vote on a SORA law just before the election!

Hi All, I know this isnt going to really answer anyones questions, it didnt answer mine, but i thought i would share the email i got from Tim P. from the ACLU that i got the I got the other day. let me know what you all think, and if this crap is ever going to come to an end if they keep using the Pandemic as an excuse. Nothing happening and the 60 day order has not started counting yet and the Judge may change the wording on the 60 days since we are now getting in to election… Read more »

@ Bobby S…..thanks Bobby for the tidbit you shared from Tim P. of ACLU….It is good to get any info. Like so many of our brothers and sisters in SORA land, we look forward to any news…hoping it is good news for all of us in SORA land. Peace be with all of you.

So with the election coming maybe it would be better if nothing happened with sora til after the election? What are the pros and cons? Give’em enough rope….

@Nick….Why would it be better? This has been ongoing for nearly 4 years…politicians will still be politicians thus only caring for themselves and their power under the guise of “representing” their constituents….this is still come down to the judge….say God forbid that Gretchen Whitmer becomes Vice President and our next governor is even less inclined to tolerate people of our “ilk”or be supportive like Dana Nessel has been…we’ve been through 2 election cycles and what has changed? Just my opinion but elections don’t really seem to matter….WE are still a very unpopular issue unless they can make it harder and… Read more »

I think it would be better to deal with this after the election. No elected official facing re-election is going to vote on anything that makes SO lives better, weeks before the election when every voter will remember. Better for this to be faced after the election during a lame duck session.

@Mike b – couldn’t agree more. If this slips past election that gives people years to forget vs months (or weeks). I get what Josh is saying and I see his point as well….. We’ve been down this road. But have we really? Things were declared unconstitutional then appealed to SCOTUS, then not taken, then sent to Cleland where he just finalized his opinion. So though I understand Josh’s view, I don’t agree. We FINALLY have a final opinion and this is our FIRST election coming. I say ACLU keep working on it behind the scenes, MI keep going into… Read more »

Why isn’t someone or some org in MI asking the good Judge for contingency planning in case it goes past the election and nothing has been done or it is gets close to it, e.g. 60 days? They can be pulled from recess or work from home on it. Not saying they’ll comply…

Recieved this email yesterday from Tim @ ACLU Each day we are getting more and more emails asking for updates on the SOR. While I understand that people want to know what is going on, if we have an update we will put it out to everyone. Please understand that you do not need to ask this question. The court order is still in place that you do not need to verify or report as long as the Covid 19 emergancy is inplace. This applies to everyone on the SOR. We know some Law Enforcement Agencies are telling people that… Read more »

“As for the bill that we all worked so hard to stop, as we understand it the bill is dead. Good Job to all those who emailed, did Zoom with the House committee, and those who came in and testifed [sic]. Without your help it would not have been dead in Committee.”

WOW…this is AWESOME! Congrats, Michigan. You showed up, and you stood up. And you hopefully have defeated this garbage bull, uh, bill.

Guess them , million five hundred thousand emails Helped ! Hurray !! Now , when is the cake being served ?

Can someone please tell me where they have read that the state has struck this house bill 5679 down ? Looks as if its still in full motion from what I see on the states website ?

Can someone explain? Just got a visit from local police to confirm address. Officer shows up at my door/ no mask / asking to see ID . I told him it was in my bag in garage, he said no worries your good. Are we still under pandemic orders. I have not gotten any letter in the mail from State Police informing me of my responsibilities. Im pre -2011 in fact pre-2006. Did the judge start the clock on legislators that I didnt hear about, just confused

Im in oaklnd county and pre 06and11 jan 95 to b exact i too have yet to get a letter or information im calling msp tomorrow to check i have sgt. Name who told me to wait till i get confirmation of duties as well and have re eieved none

@JoJo – what county are you in. I’ve yet to have anyone pop in at my home for verification. IMO it would be a complete waste of time since they cannot enforce anything at this time anyway. Get that OT on our dime is my guess as the only reason.

Hello All,

I got an email from Michigan Court news,but when i clicked on the link it says i need a subscription, well i don’t have a subscribtion to the Lansing Journal. It was posted about 8 hours ago. Here is the link if anyone has a subscription to the Lansing Journal, or if they know how to bring up the link so we can all read it. I was hoping it might tell us what’s going on now if anything.

So again if anyone knowa how to get past this subscription thing i would appreciate it. Thank you.

Michigan’s Decoy Online Sex Sting operations for the last 20 years are without lawful authority. The prosecutors tampered the laws severely to prosecute, for huge State / County profits, FAKE Sex Crimes . exposes the FRAUD / Corruption / kidnappings / defamations
A huge class action lawsuit is needed , or some sort of broad spectrum relief.
The Trial Courts refuse to obey the laws and reject Court rules when a 6.500 Motion for Relief of Judgement is filed utilizing THEIR OWN LAWS !
Welcome to the Party ! Time to Prosecute the Prosecutors !!

I’m not sure but, it looks like 99 cents will get you in the door!

I did a G00gle search for “lansing journal legislature revise michigan sex offender registry”. The first result was, unsurprisingly, the Lansing Journal article. But instead of clicking the link, I clicked on the little down-arrow to the right and selected “Cached” instead. After that I was able to read the story. (This works quite often with many pay-walled sites and articles. Nothing like G00gle to bust copyright.)

@AJ, I tried what you suggested, but I don’t see a down arrow to the right, unless I’m some how missing something. Just wondering is there anyway you can find it and share it with us, or maybe fill us in to what it said, and if it says anything good, like it’s getting closer to coming to an end finally. Thanks


After you do the Google Search of the following: “lansing journal legislature revise michigan sex offender registry” you will see at the top of the results a link to the article.

Where it shows the actual URL of the link:

(looks like this) > › news › 2020/08/03 › le…

Just to the right of those three dots you will see a downward-pointing “triangle”. Click that “triangle”, and then you will see the word “Cached” pop up. Click the word “Cached” and you should then be able to see the article.

Interesting trick. Thanks again, @AJ!

@AJ: WOW…it works. Thank you for the tip!

Basically the very brief article is just a rehash. There’s nothing new.

@AJ & G4change, thank you again and to G4, for showing the example. I tried and this time it worked perfectly. Thank you both again, very much appreciated.

@G4Change & @Bobby S.:
I apologize for the less-than-clear instructions. I’m glad you were able to get it to work and I’m always happy to help a fellow oppressed citizen.

Thanks for the assist, @G4Change!

The Pricks have popped up at my spot a few times over the years, Flexing their chests. They love wasting tax payers money , Instead of looking at the big picture and using the money too detour the real problems in our state. I think where you live in the state plays a big part on if you get a visit or not. Again its unjust justice at its finest. This is why registries are NOT the answer to anything. In this country when you serve your time for a crime (whether you committed it or NOT ) You should… Read more »

Im in Wayne county. I do have cameras and printed hard copy, I’ll send to ACLU , so they can take it up with Judge Cleland , from my understanding, Judges get very upset when you disregard there court order

You know I really don’t know what you guys are smoking out their in California. Seems to me weed should of been legal all along but authorities have to profit somehow. This online sex issue and even Tim’s comment about Michigan’s online decoy sting operations. That right their said the words to this type of inducement or scheme. These operations are very wrong in many ways and hinder a person’s liberty with this degrading ordeal. One can either amend justice or defend justice and yes we all have a voice in many of these issues. Sure one would be mad… Read more »

For those of you who were able to read the article in the Lansing State Journal could you please fill me in on what’s the latest and greatest news? Thanks.

Here is a good laugh. Rep. James Lower, the Rep that introduced HB 5679, to rewrite the Michigan Sex Offender Registry Act, will be stepping down, as a member of Mi. House of Representatives, when His term ends December 31st, 2020. He is not seeking re election, as he is seeking a business opportunity, this is according to his Facebook. So as you can see, he really isnt going to do anything with this House Bill now. Just shows you that Michigan Legislators are just laughing and slapping Judge Cleland in the face with his orders. It’s time Cleland steps… Read more »

Mi in chaos,
Thank you!

Had an officer stop by today while I was out of the house. Only my kids were home and they couldn’t tell me if it was state or county. Called Barry county and they stated that they wouldn’t have sent an officer out that it would have been the state police. I asked about the court order and they stated that it’s not in effect anymore. They’ve been violating people since June. I told them well that’s funny. Court order is still posted on the website.

ACLU needs to be made aware.

As far as I know the state police post on telegraph in Taylor has been doing registrations all along for those post 2011 RC’s

I was convicted in 99. They also snooped around my property to verify vehicle information. Where does enforcement begin? What does maintaining entail? Seems to me that the State of Michigan is in violation of a federal court order.

The Court noted that the interim injunction only prohibits enforcement of the SORA; it does not prevent the MSP from maintaining the Sex Offender Registry, such as inputting information about new registrants or continuing the Public Sex Offender Registry.

State of Michigan IS in Contempt of Fed Ct Order enjoining 1999 PA 33 . Prosecutors typically charge a partial title to mcl722.675 then tack on Internet use statute mcl750.145d2c which exactly equals the enjoined Act. State Courts refuse to acknowledge their felonies of course. They also only charge a small piece of the child sexually abusive activity statute mcl750.145c2 of 2006 and up til last year when the Legislature finally re-wrote it so the prosecutors could not tamper with it as easily. That statute requires an ACtuAL viCtim…and knowledge of their status as ” The Child” …. The State… Read more »

Precisely the difference between any state having a database VS the enslavement of citizens to its maintenance & upkeep upon conviction.

This decision comes from Michigan’s E.D. Federal Court. In this decision the Plaintiff argued that federal SORNA did not apply to him because Michigan had removed him from the registry. He also cited Does v. Snyder, showing SORNA was unconstitutional. He was trying to force federal NSOR to remove him from the federal site and declare that SORNA could not be applied to him. The federal district Court reject all claims. It stated that Does v. Snyder only applies to Michigan SORA, not Federal SORNA, and that he had a separate obligation under federal law to register in Michigan even… Read more »

Peace be with all of you. I am of a quadary: If the sex offender registry IS of a civil regulatory nature (i.e. not punishment), then WHY are there criminal sanctions brought against a person who allegedly violates said registry? If one is convicted of violating the SOR, they go to PRISON, and possibly (and more than likely) have to pay some kind of fine. I am not a legal beagle, so I truly do not understand how this (the SOR) is civil regulation. If someone out there can explain to me WHY, I sure would appreciate the enlightenment. Again,… Read more »

I don’t get why people get hung up on this. Are there not a lot of civil laws that carry criminal sentences? If you don’t file taxes, you’ll be imprisoned. If you keep driving a car and refuse to register it, you’ll be imprisoned. Surely there are hundreds of laws like that. So what if it was ruled that the entirety of the Hit Lists is punishment? That would only help some people. Then the criminal regimes could just say that everyone convicted of a sex crime from this day forward will be on parole for life and listed on… Read more »

The issue is the laws you are referring to are enforceable on everyone not just certain people

@Quiteman, I got this email the other dsy, from Tim from Michigan’s ACLU, and not that it will help you or anyone else for that matter, but this is what he sent me after asking a few questions. Status calls are not public information and yes they have them every month. However, the one I sent the email out about the Judge called for a special meeting because he was upset by all the calls and letters, he was getting. As long as the Governor keeps extending the order then the court order we have stands unless the Judge or… Read more »

@ Bobby S – Thank you for the information from Tim of the ACLU. The emergency declarations from the governor could go on for years…leaving us in legal limbo. I reckon we just have to “DEAL WITH IT,” until the secular “powers that be” decide to act. As always, peace be with you all.

So per the Michigan order. I can finally go to/watch my sons football games with no fear of arrest?

I’ve been going to my kids sporting events for years. I’m not loitering, I’m there for a specific purpose. Remember, we aren’t expressly forbidden to step foot on school property. It states we can’t loiter and that a “reasonable person” doesn’t believe I’m there to seek out or have contact with a minor. When I take my daughter up to the field to do batting practice, I’m in zero fear of the cops rolling up and hassling me. I go to my son’s football and lacrosse games, my daughter’s softball games, basketball games, and track meets. A few of the… Read more »

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