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  1. NotJustAnotherRegistrant

    With all the crazy COVID-19 stuff going on, here are some positives that I personally can take away from all this madness.
    One: No more in person registration here where I’m at. All over the phone now. I’m a transient registrant, so every month I go down to the cop shop and wait, wait, and wait even more. I call one person(city employee, not LEO) and state all my information hasn’t changed since last month. A couple keyboard clicks from said city employee and I’m self verified for that month.
    Two: I’m a single male, no friends, no children, no mortgage, bills are a minimum, I stay in my car mostly, and I have the freedom to travel wherever I please(besides airplanes.)
    Three: I don’t mind wearing mask too. Less recognition of who I am is a plus for me.
    So all in all, take away positive what you can from this coronavirus meltdown. Pretty soon everyone will be on a list, so don’t feel bad. Just remember this world is exactly the way it’s supposed to be. It’s us that need to change. God Bless brothers and sisters!

  2. Laura

    Not Just another Registrant…What a positive outlook thank you for sharing.

  3. Anonymous

    Trying to understand ny e-stop law. Called 2 lawyers who each had their own take and one of course wanted a retainer ($) in order to delve deeper into it & give me a “definitive” answer. Maybe I should try the ny aclu?? This is nuts.

  4. Mr. Yeah

    Yeah, sure glad you shared !
    I might be living the life a free man if I were not given the BLAME GAME SENARIO !
    and could always be worse off ..BUT OF COURSE I SHOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF !
    Eeeh whatever !
    Thanks for nothing !!!
    But the Obvious or I SHOULD SAY THE RIDICULOUS …

  5. New Person

    I stumbled upon reading this “California’s Right to Privacy” pdf, a Pepperdine Law Review by J. Clark Kelso on Jan 15, 1992.
    Link: https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kelso-Californias-Constitutional-Right-to-Privacy.pdf

    The current form of the registry, where it is shared for all to easily be seen probably hadn’t transpired yet, considering Smith v Doe 2003 wasn’t brought up in the early 1990s.

    California’s amendment to its constitution to add “right to privacy” was passed on July 5, 1972.

    Here’s an excerpt at the conclusion of the pdf review:
    *** Start of Excerpt ***
    Argument in Favor of Proposition 11

    The proliferation of government snooping and data collecting is threatening to destroy our traditional freedoms. Government agencies seem to be competing to compile the most extensive sets of dossiers of American citizens. Computerization of records makes it possible to create “cradle-to-grave” profiles on every American.

    At present there are not effective restraints on the information activities of government and business. This amendment creates a legal and enforceable right of privacy for every Californian. The right of privacy is the right to be left alone. It is a fundamental and compelling interest. It protects our homes, our families, our thoughts, our emotions, our expressions, our personalities, our freedom of communion, and our freedom to associate with the people we choose. It prevents government and business interests from collecting and stockpiling unnecessary information about us and from misusing information gathered for one purpose in order to serve other purposes or to embarrass us.

    Fundamental to our privacy is the ability to control circulation of personal information. This is essential to social relationships and personal freedom. The proliferation of government and business records over which we have no control limits our ability to control our personal lives. Often we do not know that the records even exist and we are certainly unable to determine who has access to them.

    Even more dangerous is the loss of control over the accuracy of government and business records on individuals. Obviously, if the person is unaware of the record, he or she cannot review the file and
    correct inevitable mistakes. Even if the existence of this information is known, few government agencies or private businesses permit individuals to review their files and correct errors.

    The average citizen also does not have control over what information is collected about him. Much is secretly collected. We are required to report some information, regardless of our wishes for privacy or our belief that there is no public need for the information. Each time we apply for a credit card or a life insurance policy, file a tax return, interview for a job, or get a drivers’ license, a dossier is opened and an informational profile is sketched Modern technology is capable of monitoring, centralizing and computerizing this information which eliminates any possibility of individual privacy.

    The right of privacy is an important American heritage and essential to the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. This right should be abridged only when there is a compelling public need. Some information may remain as designated public records but only when the availability of such information is clearly in the public interest.

    Proposition 11 also guarantees that the right of privacy and our other constitutional freedoms extend to all persons by amending Article I and substituting the term “people” for “men.” There should be no ambiguity about whether our constitutional freedoms are for every man, woman and child in this state.

    KENNETH CORY
    Assemblyman, 69th District
    GEORGE R. MOSCONE
    *** End of Excerpt ***

    Bullet points on that excerpt.
    1. “the right to privacy is the right to be left alone”.
    2. “It prevents government and business interests from collecting and stockpiling unnecessary information about us and from misusing information gathered for one purpose in order to serve other purposes or to embarrass us.”
    3. “Even more dangerous is the loss of control over the accuracy of government and business records on individuals.”
    4. “The right of privacy is an important American heritage and essential to the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.”

    == Thoughts on the bullet points ==
    1. The registry runs contrary to “right to be left alone”.
    2. The registry is a way to embarrass one specific group, which includes in-person re-reporting.
    3. The registry prevents us from looking at our own private information, preventing us from proving its accuracy, which Janice has fought on our behalf. Yet, the government has no legal right to do this as it is preventing the accuracy of the information to be identified by said person, as dictated by the passing of the amendment.
    4. I’ll use another excerpt which succinctly spells out what is meant:
    *** Start of Excerpt ***
    In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), the U.S. Supreme Court recognized the constitutional right of privacy emanating from the penumbral application of the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the Constitution.
    Justice Douglas; wrote:

    “[S]pecific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that give them life and substance. Various guarantees create zones of privacy. The right of association contained in the penumbra of the First Amendment is one, as we have seen. The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of any soldiers ‘in any house’ in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the ‘right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.’ The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incriminating Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which the government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: ‘The numeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’ “The Fourth and Fifth Amendments were described in Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 630, 5 S. Ct. 524, 532, 29 L. Ed. 746, as protection against all governmental invasions ‘of the sanctity of a
    man’s home and the privacies of life.’ ”
    *** End of Excerpt ***

    What 4. points to with the “right to pursue and obtain privacy” is that it is a protected liberty. Thus, a loss of liberty is punishment.

    Recently, California residents are able to not have their information sold online unless you agree with it, I think it’s called a CCPA. This means California’s “right to privacy” does more than the US Constitution.

    The privacy law was added to fend off the future usage of the electronic age. Under this current registry scheme, a registrant’s loss privacy is made to embarrass us with in-person re-reporting as well as limit our freedom of travel as we are supposedly no longer under custody. The state is compelling an individual who no longer is under custody to continue to lose their privacy under this current registration scheme. Your private information is shared, under penalty of law, on your passport. That state is labeling every registrant a current high risk that certain jobs can negate your potential employment or that any military installation base can ban you from entering, both embarrassing events.

    Lifetime registration under this current form in California disseminates private information willingly to the world. Before Kelly v Municipal, there was no pathway to be removed from the registry via 1203.4, if you qualified. But back then, only the police department would have that information. Then came PC 290.5 in the 2000s, which negated 1203.4 de-registration and pushed it to a 10-year wait for the Certificate of Rehabilitation. Which also means the governor could pardon you, but that is a rarity. Which brings us to the new tiered registration of 10 years, 20 years, and lifetime.

    What boggles my mind is that there are some people that cannot get off the registry. Yet, the California Constitution stated in 1972 that the “right to pursue and obtain privacy” (the right to be left alone) be an inalienable right. The loss of privacy is a loss of liberty under the 1972 amendment. Thus, having no avenue to de-register is unconstitutional.

    The loss of privacy should be regained once out of custody, just like every other convict. To reaffirm that privacy is a protected right in California, 1203.4 states the following, “the court shall thereupon dismiss the accusations or information against the defendant”. Yet, the registry disregards this privacy protection given by the 1972 amendment. Why?

    What makes PC290.007 (disregards 1203.4 to de-register) unconstitutional, is it simply pushes back the pathway to de-register from one’s probationary period (a few months to five years) to a total of a 10-year wait to regain once’s privacy. There is no rationale between extension to the total of 10 years wait for de-registration as there are no studies between 1958 and the passing of PC 290.5 (in the early 2000s) to increase the punishment of loss of privacy, which was succinctly enumerated in PC 1203.4.

    The purpose of the 1972 amendment was to limit government’s intrusion in California.

    I don’t know if there are any other cases that brings up “right to privacy” in California, but this 1992 Law Review shares the law is nebulous as there is no concrete definition of privacy, as if it were waiting for an opportunity to be utilized specifically for “right to privacy” as opposed to relying on other US amendments. Welp, the registry is the loss of privacy and the state has increased years in the loss of privacy as well as not have a pathway to obtain privacy for those who are designated lifetime registrants.

    The loss of “right to privacy” is a loss of an inalienable right under the Ca Constitution. Why can’t this current form of the registry be unconstitutional once you are no longer under custody to regain your rights?

    • Tim in wi

      NP,
      Ahhh the use of the database machine driven infrastructure. The blatant commoditization of ” personal data facts , #s etc, for the sake of the collective. Resistance is futile……!

    • TS

      @New Person

      Well written, very well written. One point I would add to what you wrote is define what “compelling public need” and “public interest” is in your context above…And not the catchall context of “safety” because the gov’t is here to help you stay safe, e.g. registry online, helmets, seat belts, music warning labels, nutritional labels, etc with the need you have you did not know you had and interest they have for you.

      • New Person

        @TS,

        Thanks for the kind words.

        I think we don’t need to necessarily define “compelling need” as the significant factor. We simply need to identify that losing privacy is a loss of liberty under the Ca Constitution. That loss of liberty is punishment. Punishment is key here.

        We can lose our constitutional rights when we are under custody. We are supposed to regain our constitutional rights once we are out of custody. When the state does not grant the ability to pursue and obtain privacy, then the state is violating its constitutional right.

        At the registry’s extreme, one cannot regain privacy. That alone is unconstitutional as per the “right to pursue and obtain privacy” as the registry scheme does not allow a pathway to obtain privacy once again.

        At it’s earliest point of contention is at PC 1203.4, case dismissal. The accusation or information against the defendant is dismissed. Your accusation/information cannot be disseminated as per policy of 1203.4 as it represents the pathway to obtain privacy. Yet, it is being disseminated to several state agencies, federal agencies, and international agencies (IML). According to the 1972 “right to privacy” amendment, it’s supposed to protect your private information from being disseminated. This makes the registry unconstitutional under this scope.

        Another unconstitutional law is preventing registrants from looking up their own private information for accuracy. This was also stated in the 1972 amendment that the state cannot prevent you from doing.

        California passed the “right to privacy” to help its citizen to protect itself from the future, with its intent to limit government (which is often cited in the pdf). The registry is intrusive upon the privacy of an individual. The right to privacy is the “right to be left alone”. California’s “right to privacy” is a standalone constitutional right, meaning it doesn’t need other amendments to explain unconstitutionality.

        CA Const, Art 1, Sec 1
        “All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.”

        If we take this section from the perspective of a laymen, then we get “inalienable right to pursuing and obtaining privacy”. The registry is a loss of privacy. Thus, we have a right to pursue and obtain privacy that we lost.

        From wikipedia about 1972 Ca prop 11, right to privacy: “Assemblyman Cory also expressed specific concern for privacy due to the potential threat that new technology had on compromising privacy”

        While state law people will declare the registry isn’t punishment, they will have a difficult time to refute the fact that it’s unconstitutional to not have a path to regain privacy. Not only that, but also how PC 290.007 violates Article 1, Section 9: “A bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts may not be passed.”

        1203.4 explicitly states, “the court shall thereupon dismiss the accusations or information against the defendant.” PC 290.007 negates this obligation of the contract to regain privacy by simply saying “regardless” of earning 1203.4, one must continue their loss of privacy via the registry and will have to wait a minimum of 10 years to ‘petition’, where as 1203.4 is an automatic immunity once earned and granted.

        California’s right to privacy is a standalone right that’s stronger than the US constitution. From the wikipedia page again, “Opponents of the measure argued that such an initiative was unnecessary since the courts and State Legislature already had the power to address issues of privacy.” This should give “right to privacy” that much more weight to utilize if one chooses to utilize it.

        • TS

          @new person

          I get it and agree with your tact. However, look @ compelling need and public interest from their perspective in a big picture way, not yours. See what they are saying why it is a compelling need in the public interest for the registry and how it overcomes the right to privacy for those who have completed their sentences. Then, create a compelling argument why their argument does not stand up to the right to privacy for those who have completed their sentences as you have written in your argument. Make them prove why their argument overrides yours with the facts you have provided. I’m telling you and others there, that argument will come to bear fruit in the near future with the way things are going in this country when people pit these three phrases, i.e. right to privacy, compelling need, and public interest, against each other. You have also at your hand the fact being on the registry is being in custody in one court…(not the 9th though)

        • Facts should matter

          @TS

          Preexisting safety through privacy and anonymity is actually more important than perceived safety is from circumventing privacy.

          Privacy is an important part of personal security – especially this day and age..

          The “registry” is just another toxic form of American entitlement.

        • TS

          @Facts

          Agree with you. Interesting take on the registry and entitlement (the word at least in use here), but I can see where you come from on it and, also, agree with what you say.

          I am trying to get the point across that the well written argument @new person writes has good footing, but want to be able to help complete the argument by squashing the prevalent thinking others have stated in court opinions, etc. I believe @Facts what you say is applicable in helping to make that point.

        • New Person

          @TS,

          We can extrapolate this “compelling need” to other amendments. Let’s apply this to the US amendments.

          A compelling need to stifle the 1st amendment? The right to assemble has been stifled with a recent court case stating you can’t have a religious mass during the pandemic. This will be re-visited, for sure. Remember, the governments are still allowing protests, which are mass gatherings. It is a double standard that will need to be re-visited.

          A compelling need to take away the right to bear arms, the 2nd amendment? Nope.

          The problem here is that “the right to privacy” is an inalienable right within the text of the California constitution. This compelling need requires scientific backing, which it does not as the 2003 Smith v Doe utilized false facts as debunked by Dr Ira and Tara Ellman along with CASOMB’s under 1% recidivism rate. The recidivism rate of registrants compared to other convicts reveals that registrants are the lowest next to murderers.

          I think the “right to privacy” within the texts of the Ca Constitution isn’t being valued enough nor is the phrase “pursue and obtain”, which gives a CA citizen a pathway to regain the ability to be left alone.

          I am not denying the existence of the registry, but I am exposing that it is punishment as it is a loss of liberty. Kelly v Municipal had argued the blanket lifetime term gave no way out. Remember, Kelly v Municipal was in 1958 and Prop 11 (right to privacy) was passed in 1972. It should have been then that the lifetime term should have been addressed, but no one wanted to take the mantle to defend registrants. Many of us are grateful that Janice took that mantle, but in recent times, not in 1972.

          You can lose the liberty of privacy when you’re under custody, just like you losing other liberties. But you are able to regain it once out of custody, mostly. A 17B allows you to regain your right to bear arms.

          Thus, with the identification that losing privacy is losing a constitutional liberty, we can now show unequal restoration of liberties, especially for those who qualify for 1203.4. That’s what you’re missing. It’s at this end and also at the “lifetime term” that shows the abuse of the registry in face of “right to pursue and obtain privacy” as a lifetime term has no pathway to obtain privacy. Since losing an inalienable right is now a form of punishment because it is a loss of liberty, then a lifetime loss of privacy with no pathway to regain privacy should be deemed “cruel and unusual punishment”.

          Recall, CA uses Dr. Hanson’s Static-99 risk assessment to categorize registrant levels, but CA doesn’t use Dr. Hanson’s research for surveillance to last a max of 17 years.

          First thing’s first – reaffirm “the right to pursue and obtain privacy” is a CA constitutional right. Once it is agreed upon, then review the 1972 amendment that identifies how the government will learn to misuse private information and the registry does intrude into an registrant’s life. Afterwards, where is the pathway to obtain privacy? For lifetime registrants, there isn’t one – thus the registry is unconstitutional. For those who earned 1203.4, the term length was the probationary period with also states the accusation/information is dismissed – which the registry does not recognize, though it is a protected right pursue and obtain privacy. The extension of time is the extension of punishment as your inalienable right is continued to be taken away despite law stating a legal pathway to regain it with other convicts who regain other liberties.

          Again, I’m not contesting “compelling reasons”. This brings us back to Kelly v Municipal of 1958. PC 290 should not override other law, but run in conjunction with other law. Hence, 1203.4 automatically de-registers you and lifetime terms do not exist because there needs to be a pathway to regain (obtain) privacy.

          But if losing privacy is punishment, then the registry is automatically unconstitutional via the CA Constitution.

          Step 1. Is losing an inalienable right punishment under Ca Constitution? If yes, then it doesn’t matter about compelling arguments. You can lose an inalienable right if you’re under custody. That’s not in question. Once you’re out of custody, do you regain your inalienable right as amended in 1972? As a lifetime registrant if there’s a legal, direct pathway to obtain privacy. If there isn’t one, then the registry is unconstitutional as per CA Constitution.

          It really is that simple.

          @Facts should matter put it very simply, “Preexisting safety through privacy and anonymity is actually more important than perceived safety is from circumventing privacy.” That’s why “the right to pursue and obtain privacy” was amended explicitly into the CA Constitution despite the right to privacy being implicitly observed. Ca’s “right to privacy” is much stronger than the US constitution, with fears of the digital age and government abuse.

          The CCPA was enacted in Jan 2020. No online entity can use your information without your approval. This is limiting business entities from your privacy.

          The registry does the exact opposite. It disseminates your private information to local, state, national, and international agencies on behalf of the government under penalty of law, which is a compelled fashion. Last time I checked, registrants no longer under custody shouldn’t be compelled to do anything that isn’t punishment.

        • TS

          @New Person

          Amen to all that! Nuff said.

  6. Brandon

    What does human trafficking and online child sexual exploitation have to do with COVID? Our country has and is run by complete morons that don’t give a damn about you or you family.
    DAs failing
    Judges bought off
    Prison unions got people by the spine
    Politicians care about getting re-elected
    Public don’t give a rats butt

  7. The vampire

    I bet no one! Could see how sex offender and slavery go hand in hand. Just watch this youtube vid = https://youtu.be/hsxukOPEdgg john oliver tells some hard core fact’s about slavery. And don’t talk about sex offenders. But there is some points that we are slaves on a list watch and see.

  8. AJ

    I see the most recent winner of ANW (G00gle it if you don’t know what it is) has been charged with sex crimes. Gee, he sure doesn’t seem like a monster…. Good thing NJ has a registry to stop this sort of thing.

  9. TS

    Historical event here, but follow it for a sec in applicability…

    Aug 6, 1890 was the first electrocution in the USA (Buffalo, NY specifically). When the person scheduled for this appealed to SCOTUS, he was denied on the following cruel and unusual punishment grounds of which he appealed: “electrocution was not cruel and unusual punishment clarifying that ‘[p]unishments are cruel when they involve torture or lingering death'” Daily life for a person forced to register can seem to be a lingering death as we have discussed here many times. However, since this is what SCOTUS thought then about electrocution, they would need a lot more to think anything is cruel and unusual punishment.

    • New Person

      @ Facts

      Yes. It’s proven SCOTUS can be wrong. 3/5th law. Jim Crow laws. Japanense internment camps.

      Problem is… how to we get SCOTUS to see it ruled incorrectly sooner than later? Remember how they denoted the registry isn’t like being put into the middle of town square? Some of those justices were archaic and rigid in thought of how the electronic age would make the world small and it would be the town square.

      Correcting SCOTUS may take some time, unfortunately.

  10. AERO1

    Yes if your force to register in the United States of America you are a modern-day slave they even tell you to keep your papers on you in case you’re stopped by law enforcement not to mention segregation they tell you where you can and can’t go where you can and cant eat or sleep and in some situations they even tell you who you can date.
    If you meet a girl who has children you’re not allowed to date her in Florida they don’t even want you around your own children imagine that.
    Anyone who doesn’t follow these rules or try to escape will be punished severely and made an example out of for the other slaves / registrants stay inline

  11. Brandon

    Trump banned TiTok and Webchat; which is for National Security. With that logic all countries should ban International Megan’s Law for their national security.

  12. Dustin @ Brandon:

    “What does human trafficking and online child sexual exploitation have to do with COVID?”

    Absolutely nothing. RAINN and NCMEC have recently claimed an increase in reported offenses due to COVID and the quarantine, and no one questions their numbers because of who they are and who they claim to advocate for.

  13. C

    Americans must pay a $2,350 government fee to renounce their citizenship…

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/americans-continue-giving-up-citizenship-at-record-levels-reports-bambridge-accountants-new-york-301107675.html

    I wonder how many of these expats are ex-PC290s and feel that $2350 to tell the American government to go F itself is money well spent?

    • A.D.A.T.

      I am personally in touch with an former RSO individual that moved to Germany and renounced his citizenship. It took him a while, since Germany has immigration requirements. He recently got married and has a great job in southern Germany. He has told me that there has never been an issue with his past and he encourages me to investigate any number of countries in Europe. I have looked into Spain and Germany as two options. I have friends in both countries that have offered to help my re location. . I do want to “clear me name” first. I feel that when I leave, I don’t want anything hanging around my neck. If I get impatient, though, I will bolt and say K.M.A. as I depart the plane in my new home.

    • Mike G

      Unless I am mistaken, if you manage to become a citizen of another country, the USA considers your citizenship as renounced. I think they would be hard pressed to get the $2350 out of you. Once I manage to get a passport from some other country, I would be fine with keeping my USA passport for travel back to the US if desired, rather than give them $2350.
      I suppose that if your citizenship were officially renounced, and you wanted to visit family in the US, you would need to get a tourist visa, and that could be denied due to your criminal record in the USA.

      • A.D.A.T.

        The U.S. can hold any property until such time as you have paid all taxes or penalties owed. They can also issue a warrant for your arrest, and if you are in a country that extradites, then they will serve that warrant on you. Don’t think that just because you filed some paperwork that you are no longer within reach of the U.S. government. I worked overseas For a while and paying taxes was a hassle. I had to pay U.S. taxes on income I made while on a work visa to another country! Immigration will ur paperwork in a heartbeat if they don’t get their money . Also many countries do not allow dual citizenship.

      • Joe

        You are quite mistaken. On all fronts.

        Getting another citizenship has no bearing on your US citizenship status. To get rid of it not only do you need to formally renounce (with the fee and several visits to the consulate of your new country) you will also need to pay an “exit tax” on all your US assets. I am not quite sure how that works, but I believe it is tax due if you sold everything even if you don’t. It can be prohibitively pricey. Someone here has told of a friend who has done so.

        Once you renounce your US citizenship I cannot imagine you will ever enter the US again. You will either need a Visa or a Visa waiver and your criminal conviction will need to be disclosed, and lord knows we cannot let them sex offenders in the country. Your new passport will always have your place of birth in the US (unless you are a naturalized citizen) and you will be in the system. Meaning omitting your criminal past is risky at best.

        If you keep your passport you cannot be denied entry but I would imagine you would need to register for the duration of your stay according to applicable state law.

        If you remain a US citizen not only will you continue to be subject to all US laws, but you are required to file a US tax return on all your world-wide income. The US and (I believe) Eritrea are the only countries requiring this. You will be required to annually report all bank accounts and partnerships of over $10k, cumulatively. As spelled out in the article.

        What the article does not say is that these financial reporting requirements are not only onerous to the individual but also to the financial institutions. It has become quite difficult if not impossible for US citizens to open or maintain a foreign bank account, which is hard to live without. Hence the record numbers which have gone up dramatically ever since FATCA was passed (in 2012?).

        So no, the fee is the least painful part of the whole process.

        There is a list of countries that sell their citizenship for a local investment. All the way from cheap (Dominica) to expensive (Malta / EU). I do not know how they treat criminal background.

        • M C

          @Joe, exit tax applies only if you have more than 2 million in assets and it is tax due if you sold the assets at the time of renouncing citizenship. The exit tax also applies if you failed to file taxes for the past five years on any level of asset ownership plus the back taxes you didn’t pay. The exit tax also applies to any permanent resident (Green Card) who is giving up that status.

          You would probably have difficulty visiting the US, especially for any substantial length of time after relinquishing your citizenship even without having a sex offense on your background. This country will consider relinquishment of citizenship and frequent or longer term visits having been an attempt at tax evasion and will treat that accordingly.

          Since this country doesn’t typically allow those with a known sex offense in their background in, you would have to get an I-192 waiver to overcome this which may or may not be granted.

          Finally, I have extensively researched countries that offer citizenship by investment. I do not know of any that don’t require a completely clean background and while there may be ways to overcome this for some things I seriously doubt a sex offense is going to be one that can be overcome.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          MC, absolutely correct except that the federal government demands that you have paid taxes on all assets, upon relinquisnment, AS IF you had just sold them, even if you had not sold them. I know this because my business partner relinquished (actually, ended up having to “renounce”) his citizenship and had to pay taxes on all of his properties and assets as if he had sold them even though he hadn’t. I will add that he had an unblemished record having never been convicted of any crime, had a net worth of over $10M and STILL had a very difficult, and very expensive, time getting citizenship in another country (and not even in a country he would have preferred – they are VERY expensive). As it was, even though he jumped through every legal hurdle to relinquish his citizenship, the U.S. still refused to grant him that and so he was left with having to “renounce” his citizenship, an “adverse” course of action relative to relinquishment. Nevertheless, he is still able to spend a considerable amount of time each year in the U.S. visiting family and friends. As “sex offenders,” I doubt very much that we would be allowed back in once we were no longer citizens. I would like to hear from anyone with experience in that.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Joe, absolutely correct on all points. I believe that it was my friend who renounced to which you referred. As for how countries to which one might apply for citizenship, sadly, I know of no such country that will countenance an applicant with a criminal history. My friend certainly had none and he had to prove it to both Dominica and St. Kitts (he has citizenship now with both) by paying for an F.B.I. report to be sent directly to both of those nations. That, sadly, is a huge, and probably, insuperable challenge we face when looking for friendlier domiciles. The same is also usually true when seeking permanent residency in other countries, well short of full-citizenship. And permanent residency, by the way, does not get you a passport from that country.

      • AJ

        @Mike G:
        Having just recently read an article on multi-country citizenship, it appears you are mistaken. To renounce citizenship, one must personally appear at an embassy and go through the renunciation process. The US doesn’t care if you have citizenship elsewhere–as long as you keep paying your taxes wherever you are in the world. If the US dumped you the moment you got another citizenship, I suspect Tom Hanks and his bride wouldn’t have accepted Greek citizenship recently. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/entertainment/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-greek-citizenship-trnd/index.html)

        I’m working on a razor-thin (or thinner) chance of a birthright citizenship to a country that doesn’t allow us in. I know one of my parents can get citizenship, I’m just not sure it trickles down any further. Wish me luck!

        • Mike G

          Thanks for the correction AJ.

          I had forgotten that tax income trumps citizenship issues, the same way that “public safety” trumps any constitutional violations.

          Good luck with your trickle down citizenship. My wife and daughter both have Thai citizenship and passports, but unfortunately, nothing trickles up or sideways. Thailand said no to letting me in when they got the letter from Satan Watch.

          All my ancestors are from UK or Scandinavia, and that is a few generations back, so nothing that would help me.

          Note: my daughter was born in the US so her citizenship did trickle down.

    • Beau

      with these benefits this year, got every single tax dollar I gave them back and some. felt some satisfaction from that. my own —- — to this government for what they are doing to us. I will gladly pay that 2300 when i find a place to go. otherwise they will try to tax me overseas from my stocks? no thank you

  14. A.D.A.T.

    I asked my old phycologist that I still see on occasion to provide a support letter for a matter regarding my registration ( getting a possible employment allowing me to work in a place that has daycare, but not attached to my work space.)
    I just wanted all the positive input I could provide for this matter. The employer was a little hinky about it, but said they would be o.k. if I were to provide references. (Can you say C.Y.A.)
    He asked what he should write. I couldn’t believe his question. This was a listed Specialist with the county for RSOs and he had no idea what to write. When I finally received the letter it was this vague paragraph with very little reference to my situation. He told me he would be unavailable until the end of the month. Since my follow up is next week, I thought that convenient of him.
    These people say they support us and want to help us move forward, but when the time comes to actually step up, they suddenly become too busy to help and don’t want to lose their spot at the county RSO watering trough. BTW, this same guy I found out wouldn’t show up to a court date for another Registrant even after the person’s lawyer requested him. Talk about a hypocrite to the cause. But what else should we expect. The county wouldn’t have hired them if they were on our side.
    I will NOT be seeing this guy again.

  15. SR

    Does anyone have the code that states 1203.4 can’t be denied as long as you’ve done everything on probation without issue?

    I want to get my record cleaned up and would like to do it on my own since it should all be pretty straight forward, but wanted to have this in my back pocket in case the judge decides to play games like they sometimes seem to do. Thanks!

    • Interested Party

      @SR

      It is right in the verbiage of the law, here is a link https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=1203.4.&lawCode=PEN

      The first sentences says it shall be granted so long as you satisfy the requirements and your conviction is not exempted.

      • SR

        Thanks! But I recall there being something more specific that really cemented that it can’t be denied. I should’ve written it down when I’ve seen it before here.

    • Mot

      @SR If you live in Los Angles County I would recommend you contact the Public Defenders office for Cert of Rehab Miriam Singer is a good contact she did mine for FREE there are a lot of loop holes and last minute changes in the Judge or the DA Got mine in Dec 2019 but still have to register until appeal time in 2021 Good Luck If not LA County check with your local Public Defender Office

    • A.D.A.T.

      1203.4 is available for everything but C.P. For some obtuse reason. In California anyway. And since states abide by the original state in regards to most registration punishments, I assume that decision is nation wide. Amazing that possessing a picture can have such a detrimental affect on a person’s life.

    • New Person

      @SR

      Link: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/59146f91add7b0493434c695

      “Section 1203.4 provides that a defendant who ‘has fulfilled the conditions of probation for the entire period of probation, or has been discharged prior to the termination of the period of probation’ (italics added) is entitled as a matter of right to have the plea or verdict changed to not guilty, to have the proceedings expunged from the record, and to have the accusations dismissed. [Citation.] If the petitioner establishes either of the necessary factual predicates, the trial court is required to grant the requested relief. [Citation.]”

      Although 1203.4 states it should be mandatory, People v. Lewis, 146 Cal.App.4th made it more apparent.

      I hope that helps. The court denied me initially, but an appellate court lawyer helped point the way that it can’t be denied and be appealed if denied. On the second try, the judge begrudgingly granted it while apologizing to the DA for granting it.

      • SR

        Thank you, New Person. For some reason I thought there was a clarification to this directly in the penal code, but this will probably work as well.

  16. Dram

    Does anyone know the date and bill or reference information when Megans Law first went on the internet in California?

  17. dram

    Does anyone know the date and bill # or reference location, or legislative history that put the registry information online in CA.

  18. Beau

    I have an appointment to get my passport tomorrow, on the application its asking my place of destination. off the registry, but of course I still don’t want to put where I plan to go, trying to get to the Philippines, Anyone that applied for a passport know if I need to put a place of destination? I am not limiting where I am heading, but considering putting a place where I know I cant get in if anything?

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      The passport application is asking where you intend to go? I’ve never encountered that before. After all, a passport is issued for ten years and enables one to travel anywhere (provided they let you in). We have every right to get a passport and demanding to know where we are going has, as far as I know, never been part of this process.

    • jm from wi

      It’s just a question on the form. It may not trigger anything. They seem to rely on our notifications and flight manifests. I recall the question along with the date of travel.

    • David

      @ Beau:. I suggest you provide a broad answer such as “multiple countries”, “Asia”, “Europe”, or even “overseas”. In any case, it only asks where you “intend to go” – there’s nothing limiting you or saying you can’t immediately change your mind and decide to go somewhere altogether different!
      (I certainly do not recall seeing that question on my passport application which I completed about a year ago. But, if it was there, I would have simply written “Europe”.)

    • LPH

      You do NOT have to put down a destination.

    • AJ

      I recall the passport question about planned travel. I believe it historically was used to try to triage the incoming applications. IDK how much it matters anymore since one can jump the queue with expedited processing. I highly recommend putting a date much sooner than you actually plan to travel–it might light a teeny fire under someone. As to where, put something basic like France in there. It’s not like you’re going to get dragged into court for “lying” on the app. You changed your plans, big deal!

      • Beau

        That’s a good idea, wish I seen this before i went in lol. I didn’t put a place they were ok with that though.They told me a 6 month wait, was figuring it would be at least 4

    • TS

      This article from 2018 detailing what the passport may soon come to is something, as I read, people forced to register already have to deal with through IML and registries in general. Traveling in general is more difficult, sadly, but a certain segment have lived it for a while now. The New Passport-Poor – https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-new-passport-poor?utm_source=pocket-newtab

      • Mike G

        @TS

        The last time we flew out of the country (February) we had to submit to an iris scan as part of the boarding process.
        Had we refused, I don’t know what the consequences would have been. When you are at the beginning of a long trip, you are not inclined to do anything that might disrupt things. I suspect that it was kind of an experiment, to see what kind of problems would arise. Since I had never had an iris scan before, that in itself could not have brought up any information that wasn’t already tied to my passport, but the next time I have a scan, it could pull up all my information without me having to even show my passport. Who knows where all this could eventually lead; to the end of passports, is predicted by this article.

        P,S. I’m sure that the information that I already have a specially marked passport must be evident to anyone with the proper passport scanner. I have never seen anyone flip to the back of my passport to look for the stamp.

        • TS

          @Mike G

          We’ve discussed here the questionable legality of collecting such data as iris scans without knowing if you can decline without penalty, have your data deleted, length of retaining it, reasons for the scan, 4th Amendment search applicability, etc. IIRC there was an article written on it somewhere and posted here someone could find again maybe…

        • AJ

          @Mike G:
          IIRC, you’re free to opt out of the biometric scanning–I recall it being face and fingerprints they used. I believe it was Delta and JetBlue that were the big proponents of it.

          https://www.wired.com/story/opt-out-of-facial-recognition-at-the-airport/

  19. A.D.A.T.

    I have to say, i have hit a low depressive point with this covid pandemic. I was building up clientele for my business, getting ahead of my bills, and starting to save some actual money. Then POW! For seven months now I have been slowly draining my savings due to loss of clients. Tried applying at a bunch of jobs, but, well, most of you know how good that usually goes. Applied for unemployment but was refused.
    Had moved to a new(er) apartment, but then without good income , I didn’t want to deal with a deferred rent situation, so I found a room with the help of someone. It is unfortunately a disaster of a situation. Pot smoking freeloader retiree living free in her aunt’s home and watches evangelists all day and then spouts profanity on the phone to her daughter all evening. Now there’s a healthy environment for someone already stressed out.
    I was told it could be worse, could be without a room. But really, at this point, is that really worse. Seems this damn registry keeps stopping me from moving forward. Sure , every day is a step forward, but to what end. If I drank, did drugs, or just didn’t give a rat’s ass about myself, then I could likely deal with it better. But when I am constantly told by “uniformed” people how nice I am, or how much help I have been, I think,” sure, but would you have said that if you knew.”
    I guess I am just tired of trying and getting knocked back. Especially when there is somewhere I could be that wants me, needs me, and really cares about me. Knowing that that is all but ended and that my remaining days are stuck in this hellhole of a society is putting me into a serious funk . So I come here, unload, then turn on my meditation music, and repeat it all over again tomorrow.

    • James I

      Dear A.D.A.T….do you benefit from the new Tiered Registration system? I should myself, but doubt that I will, so you just take my place in line if you can….lol

      There is a serious thought to this posting however, If it looks like you will benefit….stick out whatever you have to do to get to that finished line….if you are lucky enough to be in the first wave, just grit your teeth and do it.

      Good Luck, James I

      • A.D.A.T.

        As of now, the tier system will not benefit me(misdemeanor cp). It is a shame when you do everything possible to move past a mistake, only to be told your effort means nothing, because other’s political careers are more important than justice .

        • SR @ ADAT

          Misdemeanor CP is Tier 1. That’s the best you can do!

    • w

      Years ago when we got thrown into our current mess it was like sink or swim. Gotta jump through hurdles, read up on this, talk to this other person, so on. A switch flipped and our lives were changed. But we stuck together and rode the tide. In time I figured out who the real enemy was. I got smarter.

      “Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.”

  20. dph

    hang in there. I know a moderator that is similar situation. But I hope he kept his centralVal house. Hang in the balance A.D.A.T. light IS flickering. I met a man at a acsol nircal mtg that was homeless. And I know that when my husband passes I will be there too, by his side. Now if I can survive this male ball cancer, I think NEXT. Tgx James I. For responding to A.D.A.T.
    We All on here need to hang ten.

    • A.D.A.T.

      Thx for comments. Seems I can literally go months without talking to anyone but my few clients I have left. When I do that, it is virtual, so no contact. Then I just walk, for hours. I see life going by and think to myself, “That was once you, going somewhere, meeting up with people.”
      It’s not the physical effort that gets me, it’s the exhausting mental energy to try and stay positive. To look for things that distract me. After a while, the familiarity and redundancy of my daily routine no longer engages me, and I have to find something else to provide me with an escape from my reality.
      I used my offense to do this before to forget about my past. Now I have to find something to help me forget about my future.

      • w

        Your fight is everyone’s fight. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle, and is part of the solution. This is a test of mental strength and endurance, every new day is one more that you succeeded.

        I’ll tell you something crazy. This last year since we got a letter from Nextdoor I’ve noticed the neighbors have started ganging up and doing wierd things in front of our house. So I basically already knew what THIS new game was all about I basically played along. They send an ice cream truck guy around now as well as other cars and vehicles have been parked around pretending to be stranded or picking someone up.

        Yeah right in front of OUR house. Trying to snag the wifi and pull an anon tip with a sting operation follow up.

        They can keep trying, fortunately there ain’t any wifi lol. But they’re getting crafty to say the least. Or desperate, more likely. Trying to score easy RSO points which leads to their inflated “recidivism” numbers.

  21. TS

    We discuss SCOTUS here from time to time and now here comes the LA Times with an editorial about term limits for SCOTUS membership which presents an interesting viewpoint on it that could work for or against those who deal with registry issues:

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-09/18-is-enough-limit-the-terms-of-supreme-court-justices?_amp=true#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

  22. A.D.A.T.

    @SR

    As of right now, any CP is tier 3, just as any CP is a non expungement offense as of 2015. And it would only change if the defendant had money and connections.

    • SR @ ADAT

      I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from, but all 311 Tier 3 are for Felonies. Janice herself has stated multiple times this as well.

    • Interested Party

      @ADAT

      I was just reading the text of SB 384 about the CP offenses. I think you are mistaken about all CP offenses being tier 3. The law clearly states 2 things.

      1) all misdemeanors are tier 1
      2) all felony CP offenses are tier 3

      The text of the law is here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB384

      The tier one information is 290 (d) (1) (A)

      The tier 3 info is 290 (d) (3) (R)

      If you have a different read of the above or another source please let me know.

  23. someone who cares

    I posted two replies to SR’s comment about the 1203.4 and they are not posted? Can you post them so I don’t have too look for the links again that shows that 1203.4 has to be granted if all requirement are met?

  24. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    News from Coalinga State Hospital, California S.V.P. locked facility:

    Mike St. Martin, Hosprisoner at C.S.H., tells me that three inmates/hosprisoners have died of COVID19 in the “hospital,” and thirty-or-so have tested positive or are sick.

    They have been issued face masks but they lack a nose bridge strip (for adjusting fit around the nose) because they “pose a security risk.” Apparently, the tiny, thin pieces of aluminum could be fashioned into a weapon, according to their administrative, security-theater, brains.

  25. QAnon Madness

    The QAnon Madness has me worried that sooner or later some kind of violence will develop against registrants. That is, above and beyond what is presently experienced.

    This SHOULD BE of particular importance in California where the legislature wants to publish additional names and addresses to the registry by ending exemptions while at the same time, delaying relief from registration for many out of concern for clogging the courts in 2021.

    The QAnon folks are posting some remarkably aggressive memes, sharing RSO exposure websites, and other content that is aimed at normalizing offenses against people who have already paid their debt to society, and are quietly trying to rebuild their lives within the boundaries of the law.

    What’s upsetting about this is it is based on a conspiracy theory that’s gotten out of hand. And well, we know full well what happens when that happens, each and every time…

    It would be good to see pressure on the legislature to refuse to delay relief from the lifetime requirement to register, to make termination automatic, and to resist the temptation to publish more names and addresses, if not to abolish the public registry altogether. Likewise, it would be helpful for social media to classify some of the QAnon rhetoric as violent and false and to remove it from their platforms.

    • A.D.A.T.

      After 2 tours overseas, I am able mentally and physically to handle some aggressor. My issues stem from the general societal views and how they treat us passively. I’ll take an “in your face” attack on my rights all day. The verbal threats, the physical flexing of their fake superiority is easy to counter for me. It’s the almost subliminal message put out there that is so hard to counter. The restrictions, the general info online that lets people assume whatever is the worst. Stuff like that is very hard to counter as an individual. Basically, try to physically hurt me, but don’t just push me aside as nothing.

      • Brandon

        I’m not casting judgement on Senator Harris till I see her on the debate stage without my bias.

  26. Lake County

    Am I the only one concerned about Joe Biden’s pick of Kamala Harris for Vice President?
    It scares the sh*t out of me. I believe she wouldn’t hesitate to sign any law or executive order to limit our rights until she can get all of us into special high security camps. She will do anything for victim’s rights regardless of it’s effects on us.

    • lovewillprevail

      Lake County, I thought the same thing yesterday…she will be bad for us.

    • NPS

      Nope. I’m not concerned at all. It was her declaration as CA attorney general that stated that any residency restrictions was strictly for those on parole. So those who were serving probation or off paper, that was it; no restrictions enforced. In Doe v. Harris regarding reporting your internet screen names, she never put up much of a fight (and I believe she did this intentionally) and she stated there would be no appeal after the 9th Circuit barred enforcement.

      Any criticism of Harris at this point is strictly from the latent misogyny that I’ve seen some people harbor on this very website.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      You’re not the only one. She was a prosecutor and then the D.A. here in S.F. I really hate her. I was dreading her selection. The other question is if she will become a polarizing figure in the Biden campaign. There are several other women that he could have appointed that would have gotten him more votes in battleground states.

    • TS

      She believed Biden’s accusers and now she joins the accused…think on that. Does she still believe them or is it convenient enough to overlook them on her way up by stepping on them?

    • Facts should matter

      Harris is just another “we’re a nation of laws” ideologue that will – without hesitation or second thought – continue to expand Megan’s Law at the expense of logic and reason . Hell, she’d have us all euthanized if the outcome would guarantee her political ascension to be President.

    • td777

      I came here wondering if others had the same concern I do on this…glad to see I’m not the only one who remembers how bad she was!

      • A.D.A.T.

        Kind of surprised to read all the negative comments concerning Ms. Harris.

        1. V.P. Is Slightly different than being a county prosecutor
        2. She has been nominated, not actually in office yet
        3. As V.P., don’t think she has the legal authority to implement any laws or executive decisions

        Aren’t you all doing the same thing you rail against, and that is judging a person on your personal opinion of their past public record, rather than allowing them to prove themselves in the present. I hope she sees the office as a chance to make her mark for the better, and doubt seriously if the registry is high up on her agenda. If it does arise, we have pitbulls ready to fight in our kennel as well ( Hi, Janice! )

        • TS

          @ADAT

          Politicians (or want to be elected officials) run on their history, whether first term or last, or campaign promises which most likely will be broken. How else do you judge someone when casting a vote between people? Gut feeling? Good looks? Zodiac sign?

          @Aero1

          She’s Jamaican and Tamil with white in her ancestry but others are playing the skin tone card for her which she’ll fully use like Obama did when he’s mixed also between white and black parents (and used his blackness to his political advantage). She should put out a DNA analysis of herself so we all know her ancestry markers.

          When considering candiates, if elected VP, you need look at what she could do as POTUS, whether permanently or temporarily should Uncle “sniffer” Joe get removed or is incapacitated.

        • TS

          There’s also the thought Uncle Joe could step aside and resign in addition to being removed or incapacitated where then she could take the Oval Office.

    • Lake County

      As VP, she can’t do much to hurt us. But Biden is at an age that we need to be concerned about his health and who will take his place.

      • Blake

        As always, TS doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. Jamaicans are black and have African ancestry. In fact, Kamala Harris’s Jamaican ancestry is more rooted in the struggle of African Americans (slavery & discrimination) than president Obama’s Kenyan & Irish roots. BTW, Indians suffered almost as much under apartheid as black South Africans. So being black or even Indian, has no political advantage, TS. And quite frankly, you sound like a bigot. As an Italian American, I’m embarassed by your comments.

    • AJ

      Since I’m not a CA, or even a Pacific Time Zone, resident, I don’t have any up-close views of Ms. Harris. However, when other members in her own party call her “ambitious” (and not in a good way) and other politicians in her own STATE say someone else should be picked, it makes me sit up and take notice. Clearly Ms. Harris rubs a number of people the wrong way–and not simply or wholly based on misogyny.

      My from-afar opinion of her is she’s a politician through-and-through and will say and do whatever gets her ahead and looks good at the time. She believed the accusers of Mr. Biden…and then sidles up next to him. Ambition over principles, just like any other politico.

      I’m glad to see the Democrats have put up an old, rich, white guy and a “top cop” to represent their progressive ideals and anti-police postures. For the record, I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I vote whomever most aligns with my beliefs. Typically that means Libertarian.

  27. JohnDoeUtah

    Dunno if you all follow Common Sense Laws on YouTube, but sounds like he had a fair shake at his asylum hearing in Germany. Sounds promising.

  28. AERO1

    Kamala Harris just made history by being the first black woman to ever be on a presidential ticket that’s phucking awesome.
    We need more young leaders like her this country desperately needs change .

    Good luck

    • Lake County

      I wish it was true that 56 is young. Younger than Biden I guess. But she’s not well liked in CA.

      • A.D.A.T.

        @Lake County

        Many that don’t like her views are basing their opinion on a few public cases. I have an inherent distrust of prosecutors that goes back much further than my offense. But I have learned not to believe most of what you read and none of what you hear. Everyone has an agenda, and their views coincide with that. I am not sold on this presidential ticket, but the alternative is………………..

        • TS

          Her public record speaks for her. She doesn’t need anyone to do it. Hence, why folks don’t like her.

        • TS

          And don’t think wikipedia’s data will be correct for her either since it can be (and has been) easily edited to reflect a narrative her team want others to hear…like a media article wants all to hear negatively about a registrant without the specs to give context. InfoOps in full play for all to see and hear.

      • TS

        Here is a collage of articles on the VP seat for some leisurely reading.

        “With vice presidential picks in the news, you might be asking yourself: what, exactly, does the vice president do? For much of American history, the answer was “not much.” But since the end of World War II, the vice president’s job has evolved from a constitutional afterthought to an indispensable part of the executive branch.” To say the seat is not much, these beg to differ.

        https://getpocket.com/explore/item/vice-presidents-from-afterthought-to-indispensable?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    • New Person

      You do know Harris kept prisoners in longer than their term for cheap labor as well as jail parents for their children being truant. Sorry, but I’m not down for a person wishing to lock more people up and be even more authoritarian. The registry is an example of that. It’s expanded and you think that’s a wonderful thing?

      I don’t mind youthful leaders, but if you’re using gender and race as the reason to vote, then you’ve lost me because you’re not looking at their policies. I thought we were already beyond race and sex?

  29. w

    Harris is always talking about being “for the people” but what the phrase should be taken to mean is not all people unless you’re an ellgible “victim club” member and as a former prosecutor she is definitely NOT speaking for anyone who’s on the registry. She is disingenuous, manipulative, and like her home state a complete facade. As a three-way combo of being a non-white female former prosecutor AND a Democrat in California she can do more harm than you can imagine. Especially with regards to any progress being made for those on the registry. Take a handfull of heinous RSO cases in the news and see what kind of bad legislation they’ll put before her eager hands. If rso life sucks at the state level imagine what’ll happen when a prosecutor gets to play “democracy” from the top…

  30. AJP

    There is a petition to Abolish the Sex Offender Registry on change.org. I’m not sure how effective change.org is or if this will have any impact but I thought it would be worth a shot to take a minute and sign the petition.

    Just throwing it out there:

    https://www.change.org/p/abolish-the-sex-offender-registry?redirect=false

    • SR

      Thanks for the link. I signed and donated. I was presently surprised how many signatures it has and they’re continuing to climb in real time! It was also sad and heartening to read many of the posts.

    • NPS

      Yeah I signed this petition….5 years ago.

      It’s been 8 years since the petition opened, and it’s barely above 4000 signers.

      • AJP

        It looks like they closed this petition a few years ago, they stopped at about 1500. Over the last 2 years there were a few people requesting that the originator re-open the petition and seems like they just opened it in the last few months. Maybe since we have all this “defund the police” going on they’ve decided it would be a good time to re-open this petition? Either way seems like its gotten a lot more signatures in the last few weeks.

        Hopefully this just means that the tides really are turning, slowly but it is happening.

      • AJ

        It’s old but resurrected, which is fine by me. What can it hurt to sign? It’s certainly better than, but doing much poorer than, two other “Promoted Petitions” at the bottom of the page during my visit: “Mandatory sentencing for pedophiles/ child traffickers” and “No Tolerance Act 2018 To Make Child Rape Mandatory Death Penalty”. Both of those have tens of thousands of signers. Can’t you feel the love???

  31. wonderin

    Remember folks when discussing Kamala Harris, we wouldn’t want the public to think we’re against her because she might be hard on SOs. How-a-bout we just condemn her for just being a bad choice for other reasons.

    • Will Allen

      There no need to waste time discussing Harris or her past. She is the only choice so it simply needs to get done. Once she is elected, we’ll see what happens.

    • TS

      And you think she will be easy on SOs if they kept quiet while the rest of the public shares their disdain? What other reasons do you have in mind? Because she was in need of cheap priaon labor or truant students getting their parents looked at for jail time or maybe other reasons how she got where she is today?

  32. 290 air

    If Kamala and Joe win I bet she’ll be trying to ban international travel for all sex offenders. She’s not big on the constitution.

    • SR

      That would be fantastic! That’ll be sued straight up to SCOTUS in no time. A move like that could very much bring down the entire registry.

  33. Rodney

    Those are interesting comments about what Biden and Harris may do to harm sex offenders in California when they are in office. I once sent a wild, far fetched suggestion to the email intended only for Janice and the other staff to consider, but I’ll make it here for everyone to read this time.
    Donald Trump knows he doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning the electoral votes from California, and he hates our Democratic Governor. In fact he hates all Democratic politicians and will do just about anything to create a problem for them. What better way to create a political problem for our Governor than to interfere with California’s archaic Tiered system that keeps people with 15 and 20 years of good conduct in the community on a sex offender website for the rest of their lives. He has shown that he is petty and vindictive, and even has a soft spot for sex offenders. Probably because he is actually a sex offender himself. The point is that I believe that if Janice, or one of her colleagues, has even a remote form of contact to this unscrupulous President or someone even remotely connected to his administration, it would be worth the attempt to drop a hint that he should sign an executive order to make this Tiered system unconstitutional before he gets booted in November.
    Just a wild far fetched thought.

    • Rodney

      Or better yet, he could just pardon those us with 15 years or more of good conduct in the community.
      Just another wild far fetched thought.

      • http404

        President can’t pardon individuals for state level convictions. Only the governor can do that. President can only pardon someone for federal crimes. That’s not to say the president couldn’t ask the governor to do them a favor, but Gavin Newsom isn’t about to do Trump any favors.

    • http404

      @Rodney, while a nice thought, the President does not have the authority to nullify state laws with the stroke of a pen. The only time the administration can step in is if a state law is in conflict with federal law or the Constitution itself, and if it is, that’s not an order to nullify that a president has the power to execute. Rather, the proper channel would be the DOJ sending a cease and desist order, citing the conflict with federal law or the constitution, under the threat of the matter being taken before a judge.

      As for the state’s new tiered system being declared unconstitutional, I would say that’s highly unlikely. California’s enactment of a tiered registry actually further aligns it with the AWA / federal SORNA law which has a tiered registry component.

      Maybe the new tiered system isn’t perfect. The only “just” move is complete abolishment of registries nationwide… but we’re not there yet. Even if you may not personally benefit, consider it a small victory that will make things better for some, that plays a minor role in a major war.

      • Rodney

        Of course you are correct but, you probably noticed that Donald Trump doesn’t care about, or follow any of the established laws, including the constitution. And he has demonstrated that he has no respect for State’s Rights. And he continues to frustrate Liberals like us because we keep expecting him to play by the rules. My point was to let him muck up the works. He’s good at it so let him do what he does best. I’m just sayin’.

  34. Doc Martin

    Kamala Harris is a non issue. The plight of rso’s won’t be any worse or better with her as vice president. But at least she’s not a evangelical social conservative like Pence or a psycopath like Sarah Palin. What counts is the supreme court, and Biden is more likely to pick justices like Ginsberg who are willing to give the Alaska decision a 2nd look.

    • w

      Oh you can be sure it’ll be worse. Do you really think she’s going to show up to help the RSO cause? I believe most of the RSO problems comes from her type. Especially those victim rights groups who keep infecting the system with their emotion driven narrative. Where do you think the idea for the “victim impact statement” came from? That’s their way of exploiting the system and playing the victim card.

      Nobody hams it up better than a prosecutor.

      • Apollo

        Prosecutor are scum. But Harris is no longer a prosecutor but she’ll be a vice president. Mike Pence had a horrible record on LGBT rights in Indiana, but that did not stop that community from making tremendous gains, like the landmark supreme court anti discrimination decision, even during the Trump administration. And I should remind you, although registrants may have a hard time in California, registrants have a much harder time in southern and some midwestern states where sex crimes are prosecuted swiftly and harder, making California laws look like child’s play. You’ll find no Brock Turners in Georgia.

  35. Saddles

    Now James you and A.D.A.T. stop that. Sure I’ve had my ups and down’s with this issue but I look at it in a positive light. At least I haven’t been married two or three times. Sure single life has its ups and downs and with something like this hanging over someone’s head it can be depressing if you let it.

    I always liked the name James. Even the song “You’ve got a friend” is good. Yes at times we all have to keep our heads together.Sure their have been months that I have sit around and worry but why worry. I don’t have a job per say but I I do sell advertising items. I have even sent Janice and Chance some of my items and I try to live my life as this never happened but at times those men in blue can make hound one.
    I had to check in yesterday so I called for my monthly check in. Just got an answering service and a tape recording so I left my name and told my PO in the recording things were ok. Sure he’s just doing his job but myself I wouldn’t want that job or vocation with this offender issue of bully shaming that authorities instill on another. So whats public safty all about in this truth issue or this shunning or shamming ordeal.

    I just hope everyone on the registry gets some relief as many will shame you or try to make you feel down but when government does that than who can you trust.

  36. AERO1

    Kamala Harris could care less about California sexofenders her mind is focused on policing the nation at this point but dont think another California DA/AG is not gonna pop up in her place.
    Kamala Harris is the lese of your problems did you all forget about California politician “MELISSA MELENDEZ”.
    I hope not because she’ll be back with a svengeance I know foreshore shes plotting on ways to chip at California teir law when it goes into effect and all level 3 SVP are gonna be top on her hitlist.
    So stop hating on Kamala Harris she put in alot of hard work to get where she’s at today maybe you could use her as inspiration to get off your azz and stop complaining and fight for change.

    Good luck

    • w

      I’ll respect your opinion but “hard work” is an easy bar for a politician. They figured out how to keep “surface agendas” at the forefront of their image, the easy stuff, while not delving into these less-than-pr-friendly topics. I fault them completely for both creating and propogating a system that has become untouchable. Only when it suits their pro-victim agenda do they care to talk about it and any resulting legislation or initiatives is almost assuredly anti-offender.

      If she’s going to praise “criminal justice reform” and “equal rights” it MUST represent ALL people. But the RSO plight is always going to be a weak position to stand on. And yes, people need to stand up. Absolutely. They built a shame-driven system presicely to prevent an uprising and to allow them to continue propogating the system while dragging their feet 10 20 or 50 years. They want everyone to get convicted and go away quietly while legislators and politicians get THEIR fill of the system for 3 4 or even 5 terms.

      At that point you’re fighting a mountain that moves on an ocean filled with TNT. It’s out of control so who wants to fight that?

      Statistically what are the odds that a “prosecutor in chief” helps make it any better??? Especially one that fought to cover-up the cases of falsely convicted people??? When an unethical prosecutor wants to take the top office America needs to wake up. That is an honest assessment. It may be pure speculation. How long is the list of “revolutionary” politicians who ACTUALLY enacted REAL change where it mattered no matter the consequence to their careers?

      Yeah. Exactly. Many of them become “Easy Riders” at the tax payer expense.

      • TS

        To add to what @w said…

        Sen Harris is not a criminal justice reformer which is seen in her public record and her being destroyed by Rep Tulsi Gabbard in their debate from 2019 on the topic, which one can see online. She expanded it all just like then Sen Biden did in the day, so two peas in a pod under the Dem ticket to date on the same topic. So, for Sen Harris to befriend those who have to register and work to ease their life, Come on man! as VP Biden recently said…

  37. 290 air

    Let’s not forget Kamala Harris limited the amount of people that can be excluded from the internet. I being one of them. She changed the law to say that step-sibling is not the same as sibling and therefore you couldn’t be excluded if it occurred with a step-sibling.

  38. A.D.A.T.

    I read wikipedia a lot. It’s a source of trivia and often tangents into other areas that tend to be interesting.
    I was reading about a 1950s murder conviction that was exonerated and at the bottom there was a reference to other exonerated cases by year.
    When I started to scan these I saw a disturbing pattern. Throughout the years, I would say more than 70% of the ones listed were either rape, child abuse, or some level of sexual assault. This made me think.
    It looks to me that when a sex offense case is brought before the court, the minds of all those involved in the prosecution ( or persecution in these cases ) are already made up. These people were found to be innocent of their charges, which means somehow the truth was avoided, removed, or even hidden from exposure. Unfortunately they had to spend years in prison before the truth was exposed.
    Right after my arrest, my lawyer recommended I attend some S.A. Meetings (?). There I met a man who was in process of a plea deal to avoid prison time. He was a grade school teacher with a conviction of C.P. The pics were of his young daughter in different situations ( on toilet, playing in yard, sleeping, etc) some of the pics she was not fully dressed. Since his wife and he were in the process of divorce, she pushed the theory that he was molesting her. This man was eventually sentenced to 1 yr in county jail.
    My point is that the emotions of those involved often camouflage their true intentions, leading to false allegations and wrongful verdicts. Yet the system pushes these cases through without proper and thorough investigation. Even the majority of defense lawyers don’t really put any effort into determining if or why the offense even happened. Offenses labeled as sexual seem to be the one offense where you truly are guilty until somehow found innocent.

    • w

      Guilty until rendered guilty, with an entire system built to prevent even ONE exoneration because it would prove the system is WRONG. But the state can’t be wrong can it? Or should I say “The People”. Right? That’s what it becomes. It’s not about the defendant and barely even about the victim so much as it is about using that person’s story to further the state’s agenda.

      Because what you discovered is the same thing I discovered: democracy’s misalignment with justice. “The People” is a misnomer. I doubt any of them know or cares what happens in the criminal justice world. But politicians shock them with a heinous sex offender story when they need the votes and the People WILL care about anything anti-sex offender and pro-victim.

      They buy their offices with violent imagery and powerful words, and when they can’t give you real statistics they flood the media in any other way they can. Movies. COP shows. NCIS. Realistic crime dramas and believable stories. So when people go to vote on some initiative they’ll have an already confused and misinformed opinion.

      Democracy’s misalignment with justice.

    • New Person

      We need more good news like this around the world to pull the curtain behind the perpetual lies about registrants.

  39. Agamemnon

    Looks like I’ll be flying out to TX in 2 wks to help my dad move back to CA (we’ll be driving back). Initially we were planning on me being out there for a couple days, now it looks like I’ll be out there for 5. Any protocols I should know about, or recommendations (other than “don’t go”)?

    • Austin

      Mainly don’t go longer than the amount of time that would cause you to have to register.

    • TS

      @Agamemnon

      See under the legal tab above the TX time to register is 7 days in the state by state table. 5 days should be ok by their rule. Enjoy the ride and keep the legal ref above handy if problems while in TX.

  40. KM in SoCal

    Last night as I lay in bed digesting the news for the last few days it hit me. I may be required to give the TBL my internet IDs even though by Cali laws I don’t. Also it hit me how hollow the ‘IF IT SAVES JUST ONE CHILD’ rings in this pandemic. Consensus says EVERYBODY is at risk, large numbers of kids are getting sick with coronavirus from others at school and yet our government is still pushing in person schooling. How is it ok for deprivation of citizens rights under ‘if it saves one child’ despite it saving none yet no discussion about something that could literally save thousands? We have the ability to homeschool and remote learn minimizing infection , but won’t in most cases even though IT WILL SAVE MORE THAN ONE CHILD.

  41. M C

    @Will Allen here’s a good one for you to do. Buy this place https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/203-E-Morrison-St-Fayette-MO-65248/236128437_zpid/ and then register yourself there. See what happens.

    • Will Allen

      I do really like it, the style of the house, its fixtures, history, and even the jail cells! I’d like to live there. And the price seems great also. I didn’t have the time to check out much where it actually is so perhaps it is in the middle of nowhere. Might explain the price.

      Anyway, it is interesting. But what do you think would happen? Something because of the jail cells? Meh, I wouldn’t care regardless.

      You’d think the Registry Supporters/Terrorists (RS/Ts) geniuses would be a lot more worried about a person who lives on 20 acres where law enforcement and big government can’t ever go. Think about how many great jails you could build there. Personally, I think it is hilarious that RS/Ts seem to think their Registries “work”. I never see LE and they don’t have any idea what I’m every doing. They aren’t monitoring anything. Further, if I ever wanted to do anything, I’d actually actively avoid them. For example, I wouldn’t use a Registered “internet identifier”, lol. RS/Ts are real dumbasses.

      • M C

        @Will Allen, I’m sure that LE and if the community as a whole knew a person forced to register was living in an home equipped with jail cells would completely freak out and do everything they could to get you out of there.

        • Will Allen

          Yeah. I expected that is what you meant. But I was hoping there was even some more mischief there that I was missing. Like that it was right next door to John Walsh or something like that, lol.

          Nearly all Registry Supporters/Terrorists (RS/Ts) are dumb. So I do think they’d freak out about that. When in reality, they seem very happy to push PFRs away from other people such that they often live in very, very secluded places where law enforcement can never get near. If I was going to kidnap people, I’d keep them on 20 acres or more. Not in some house in a town.

          I could easily have multiple homes/buildings on a very large land area where no one would ever go or know about. But instead, I have people around my home all the time. Even children! Children love coming to my home because it’s a wonderful place where everyone, adult or child, has a good time. All completely un-monitored by big government and RS/Ts. Their Registries are a failure. This summer has been very subdued due to the pandemic, but I’ve still managed to ensure the Registries are worse than worthless.

          The funny thing is that, in reality, there would be no issue at all with me owning this “jail house” and living in it. Not in reality. But RS/Ts have little concern for reality or facts. The Hit Lists would make it a problem and create a dangerous situation. I’m not a dangerous person, with regard to sex crimes. Not at all. Not in reality. And if RS/Ts would stop harassing my family, I wouldn’t be a dangerous person at all. But the Hit Lists have made me dangerous, in actual reality. How’s that for stupid? Leave it to big government. The Registries aren’t just worthless, they are a lot worse.

        • Will Allen

          So funny. I just took a closer look at this. It is in a little “nowhere” town. But I really like small towns like that. I expect I’d enjoy living there just fine. The hilarious thing is that this house shares the same block as the Howard County Sheriff and Jail building! They are within 20 feet of each other at some points. There is a fence between them at one point that has barb wire at the top of it. The barb wire is slanted (as typical) and it is toward the law enforcement criminals. Very appropriate.

          The County courthouse is just 1 block away. There is a university just a few blocks away. And the high school is well within walking distance. Perfect. What more could a harassed family want?

  42. Looking for Answers

    Interesting… from The blogger Lady Justice Myth…

    “A very interesting conflict came to light recently in the fight against police creating felons by entrapping men looking for adult dates on adults only web sites.

    It has been our opinion that the key to exactly why Washington State Police, MECTF, and ICAC do these proactive stings was for the almighty buck! Each state gets annual funding from the federal government, millions of dollars, for a multitude of programs all aimed at protecting the community from child predators. We know that as soon as a monetary gain is dangled in front of an action, not all those participating will do so in the right way, for the right reasons, and with the desired outcome.

    Some of my fellow advocates knew there was more money involved but I hadn’t actually seen proof of that until recently.

    In an article by the Seattle times of an employee by employee police pay analysis, we find the proof:

    “Those records, requested from City Hall by The Seattle Times, shed additional light on how the department spends taxpayers’ dollars.

    The median gross pay among SPD’s more than 2,000 employees last year was about $153,000, not including benefits, with 374 employees grossing at least $200,000 and 77 making at least $250,000, according to a Times analysis.

    Note: All employees, including civilians (such as parking officers and 911 dispatchers) and employees who worked less than full time or less than the full year, were included in that analysis. Median gross pay was higher among sworn employees (officers, sergeants, lieutenants and captains) and among employees who worked more hours. ”
    In fact, “More than 160 SPD employees made at least $50,000 in overtime last year, not counting retroactive payments.” One patrol officer pulled in over $340,000 between base salary and overtime pay. Do you think the taxpayers are aware of this? They are now!

    My curiosity was piqued, I went online to see what the average police officer USUALLY makes in Washington State. Here’s what I found:

    Salary.com – $60,572
    Ziprecruiter – $52,239
    Indeed.com – $65,386
    Those salaries are a far cry from what the Seattle Times reported! But the average salaries given on the websites are for base pay only. What these sex stings afford washington state police officers is BOTH the monetary federal funding of millions for their state AS WELL AS extensive overtime pay for themselves. Now that’s a deal! While investigating one of the officers involved in the stings we found that he made $16,000 in overtime pay from these stings in one year alone.

    In fact, “More than 160 SPD employees made at least $50,000 in overtime last year, not counting retroactive payments.” One patrol officer pulled in over $340,000 between base salary and overtime pay. Do you think the taxpayers are aware of this? They are now!”

    • Will Allen

      One thing that ALL American citizens should be doing, especially People Forced to Register, is always monitoring your local (including state) law enforcement criminals and working to keep their compensation down. They are nearly always overpaid. So join groups to monitor them. Work on your local officials to keep their budgets down. The criminals should only earn what is fair and what people putting in similar effort in jobs/employment are earning. Their jobs are NOT nearly as dangerous as they would love for you to believe. It is NOT dangerous to drive around in new vehicles and “verify” that people live where they told you they live. It is NOT dangerous to push papers for the Sex Offense Registries.

      Work to keep their salaries down. They are nearly always overpaid.

  43. Saddles

    Wow what a weekend. Yes we can all get a bit parainod, depresseed, and wonder about this registry issue but why worry does it bring another day unto your life.

    Seems like we are all penalized in many certain ways. Why not be happy as we all have our up and down moments with this sex offender issue. Jobs discrimination, housing, distance rules and so forth but one has to have a positive outlook that are involved in this registry issue.

    I’m just glad that this lady named Suzie gave her view’s on here. Hurting kids is no good. A mother is their to protect her offsprings amd she does have her views and I’m very glad she spoke up on here. Even killing the minds of others is no good by causing conscious suffering at times. With this convid-19 ordeal killing people today and sweeping the USA its a bit of a culture shock. And with a president that wants to override with his ego it’s a bit more dubious.

    I just want to thank Janice for letting me put some little gospel links up and yes wisdom is good news on here for everyone as we all face this issue. Sure we can all get tied up in knots but when government plays foul ball than things need to change and ACSOL and others need to let the general public know how wrong many of these thngs are. So stand your ground and lead the charge as positive results can bring good results in any encounter. Much of this sex internet ordeal can break one but do your best to keep your head above water and fight for true justice.

  44. Stuck

    Is there a list or thread that talks about the best states to move to as a registrant? With the tiered registry coming up, I’ll be included on the website for the first time. I’d rather move than be exposed on the Internet. Currently in California, but would like to move to AZ. Anyone know the pros and cons for AZ? How about for:

    Washington State
    Oregon
    Nevada

    Thanks for your input.

    • Tired of this @stuck

      Oregon doesn’t publicly list most registrants, only those considered predatory/level 3. I am from CA too, moved up here not that long ago. I’m not on the website. The downside is that you pay 70 bucks a year and it’s a lifetime state, though I don’t plan on staying for the duration. I’m waiting to see what happens in CA and elsewhere.

      • Stuck @Tired of this

        Thanks for the reply…very much appreciated.

        Are there any quirks about having to register there? For instance, many states seem to have rules that here in CA have been dismissed, thanks to Janice. Such as:

        Disclosing internet identifiers
        Living so far from schools, parks, etc…
        Special drivers licenses

        Here in CA, I’ve been very fortunate, as my crime was a misdemeanor almost 23 years ago. No jail time, just probation. Never listed on the website. I’ve really never been effected by anything due to my status, thankfully. However, due to having a 647.6 (even though it’s a misdemeanor), I’ll now be listed as of next year. And because my birthday is in mid June, I get screwed from being able to petition immediately, once the tiered registry goes into affect. Thus, leaving me exposed on the Internet for at least a year. I’m looking for a place to move to until I can petition off successfully. I’m hoping that place can be similar to what it’s been like for me in CA all these years.

        Anything else you can add for Oregon would be great.

        Thanks again for your reply.

    • Looking for Answers

      @stuck,
      I got conflicting info when I looked in to AZ. I even called the Sheriffs Dept and talked to them. The guy on the phone was nice and friendly, albeit not very helpful in that he couldn’t tell me how my bf would be tiered (and apparently only certain tiers are listed publicly there). He said it was “at the discretion of the Sheriff where we would end up residing”. I called a lawyer there but he wasn’t very optimistic and said AZ is one of the worst states. Then again, I didn’t give him any money and he didn’t quite understand my bf charges (they are military and most lawyers balk at military charges/ offenses unless they have an obvious civilian counterpart since the military will always complicate and confuse things).
      Post conviction, I never really looked in to it, it seems like every lawyer had a different opinion on states (some say states like TX and CA are great, others say they are terrible, etc…). It’s really hard to get a straight answer. Although I have heard over and over that Oregon is pretty fair to registrants.
      First thing we did when he got out of the military and moved with me to CA was find this website and retained a CA sex crimes lawyer so he had legal help should something arise (it was a lot cheaper than hiring a lawyer to represent in court since it was more for advice and to explain things).
      If we were to try to move I would probably hire another lawyer in that state. I think there is a AZ Narsol (or similar) website. Maybe check it out and see what they have to say, also. Best of luck to you in your move!

      • Stuck @Looking for answers

        Thanks for your reply! Arizona is my first choice since I have family there. Unfortunately, from what I’ve read, people say it’s tough on registrants. I’m not able to find any information on how I’d be tiered, but heard they perform a risk assessment of 19 different categories to place you in 1 of 3 levels. I’m thinking since I have a misdemeanor, I’d likely be a level 1 or level 2, but am trying to figure that out. They don’t list level 1’s from what I understand. The bad that I’ve been able to gather, seems that they require disclosing all internet identifiers, require a special drivers license which must be renewed annually, and may have distance rules.

        I really wish there were some sort of chart that could be looked at that lists these type of things. I vaguely recall seeing something similar years ago, but can’t seem to locate anything now.

  45. Saddles

    Their is good and bad in a forum or an internet of any kind if one gets into forums, and yes a forum can be helpful in many ways. Many people are upset with much of this registry issue. Those on probation, those coming out of prison and yes we all should pray for the release of those still behind bars. Don’t we pray for those that are fighting for this country in war zones.

    One can talk about war crimes but this is a civil crime that is affecting and/or affecting millions and being’s induced by a computer and those authorities that want to protect something imaginary child that they present to others in this pretend issue game. God doesn’t pretend.

    So who is playing the devil. Yes I got upset when my Parole officer called me and said we were playing phone tag and than ask me about if I was hanging or been around kids. Actually I was never around kids to start with and my old PO knows that and even the courts know that in many of these cases.
    This new PO I have never met due to this virus ordeal. That in itself is badgering. Than I mentioned about sleep. We all have a hared time sleeping at times. Seems these PO’s want to try and fake one out and make a name for themselves when they don’t even know the facts.

    Listening and hearing are very important facets when visiting a PO. Not much one can do thru telephone as one person questions. To me I thought one was presumed innocent until proven guilty. This plea deal issue or offer by authorities is like a escape goat so to speak and yes many times one has to dissect all this out in his or her ordeal and see who has the greater sin and yes discerning can be a big comfort to one. Bottom line is it is what it is until it is what it ain’t as I mentioned to my PO seven or eight years ago.
    California and many people on the registry should take note of this shame on nature and much of this presents government shame on all authorities all over the nation. One can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.

  46. Jason

    So… I’ve read this from other comments, never thought I’d experience but I’m in my 10 day annual window for registration, I’ve called repeatedly left several voice messages to schedule an appointment, or to even talk to a live person in that department, but after 6 days no luck. I’ll continue, even photo, gps track and video my physical attempts I’m making each time I go to the police station which is closed to the public. I let my PO know of the situation, question I have… would the county or adjacent city do my registration if my city doesn’t respond after 14 days of contacting them? I just don’t want a violation or a stupid door knock saying I’m not compliant. Thanks guys, stay safe!

  47. Saddles

    If anyone is interest in how government can go off key and abuse, those same people that set-up others by their persuasive actions can be a double stand in many of these ordeals of vainness or vanity and yes many should read this article in this link. This should tell a person that much of this ordeal is out of line.

    Yes in life one has to be on guard for much or many ordeals that are out of focus in this today’s world.

    Government and enforcement are getting out of hand in these circumstances and where is true values or understanding today. Seems police are no goody-too-shoes today and yes we all should be thankful to be participating in this forum on this civil issue. So if two wrongs dont’ make a right who is out of character in many of these ordeals. So where is God and Government today in much of this lie and deceit issue.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-cop-charged-soliciting-minor-sex-sting-set-his-n1042321

  48. James I

    Dear Jason:

    I personally am hyper vigilant in regards to registering….within that 10 day window. I think you have to get it done somehow…regardless…you cannot continue to take no for an answer.

    You fail to note what jurisdiction you are in….they surly are taking crime reports…on day 9 or 10, I think I might insist on filing a report that….it is a crime…for the jurisdiction not to take your registration in a timely fashion.

    I sense you are not pushing this hard enough or creatively enough….one year, and I’ve been off paper for a long time, they were changing officers in charge of this where I live…and after repeatedly being turned away at the front desk…I told them I was going across the street, find a courtroom, and surrender myself…(phone calls were made and I got registered).

    As I think about it….I prefer the formal police (crime) report….make an officer come out and talk to you, write down your complaint…something more official than your cell phone.

    I am open to suggestions from other people on how to handle this…but you must be more pro-active in your attempts.

    In my opinion.

    Get yourself registered!

    Best Wishes, James I (in sort of a panic whenever I hear stories like this!)

    • Will Allen

      The reason big government requires surrendering “internet identifiers” is to prevent People Forced to Register (PFRs) from living a normal life and being able to function as good, productive, normal people. That is the reason. Big government does not want PFRs to be able to participate in society. They want to ostracize and segregate. Just as they always have.

      Big government will lie that it is for “protecting” whomever. But, truly, only idiots believe that. Is there anyone with a brain who believes that a person who intends to do something bad will not just use any “identifiers” which big government knows nothing about? Is there?

      I can give big government 20 e-mail addresses. If I want to do something bad I promise I won’t use any of those and will use something else. I can guarantee that to big government or any other idiot.

      Registry Supporters/Terrorists don’t live in reality.

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