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Janice's Journal

Janice’s Journal: Worse Than Murder?

As Executive Director of ACSOL, I listen every day to concerns expressed by registrants and/or their family members.  Many of those concerns are focused upon challenges that registrants face in employment and housing.  This column does not address those challenges.

Instead, it addresses the overarching issue that registrants are often treated worse than individuals convicted of murder.  Regardless of the sex offense for which they have been convicted or the number of years that have passed since that conviction.

I have known this fact for many years.  The most obvious difference, of course, is that a person convicted of a sex offense in California must register at least annually and his personal information is often posted on a public website.  By comparison, there is no registry for murderers in California and their personal information is not posted on a public website.

Please understand that I am not advocating for nor would I support a registry for individuals convicted of murder.  Instead, I am advocating for the end of all sex offender registries.

A glaring example of how registrants are treated worse than those convicted of murder came to my attention during the past week.  The wife of a registrant called to let me know that her family has now been reported to Child Protective Services.  Not because her husband, who is a registrant, has harmed their children.  Instead, it’s because a third party discovered that her husband is a registrant and thought their children were at risk of harm.

As I told this woman, I am not a family law attorney and therefore I referred her to someone who is.  Having said that, I decided to look up the family’s situation in California’s Family Code section.  I could hardly believe what I found there — a legal presumption that the children of a registrant who has a felony conviction involving a minor are considered to be “at significant risk.”  As a result, such registrants are not allowed to have unsupervised contact with their children.

What!  That means that a registrant parent could be forced to move out of the family home.  Forced to abandon both his spouse and his children.

And it gets worse.  That is, a person convicted of first-degree murder can have custody of their children if either the court determines there is no risk to the child’s health, safety and welfare or the children choose to live with that parent.  Neither of these options is available to a registrant.

What!  How is it possible that a person convicted of a non-contact, non-violent felony sex offense such as possession of child pornography is not allowed to live or even have unsupervised visitation with his children while a person convicted of first-degree murder can?

When this happens, it creates a Sophie’s Choice for the registrant’s wife and the mother of his children.  The wife must choose to live with either her husband or her children, but not both.  And regardless of the decision she makes, the family is destroyed by a law that makes no sense and fails to protect children who need both parents in their lives.

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And, if you’re not married to the mother of the child, all of this goes away. Just further proof, that marriage as it exists today is merely another extension of the patriarchy.

Exactly. When my daughter was born a hospital social worker tried to have my daughter adopted out from under my wife through fraud (tried to forge documents adopting my daughter) when that failed due to administrator & nurses asking my wife. She tried the CPS route. The worker came out and talked to my wife, then told her since we were married and I was the bio dad I have parental rights they could do nothing and closed the case.This happened while I was still in prison, now Im home and live with my wife and daughter. This was before retro actively being painted worst of the worst(tier 3) for CP. Now Im terrified that I will wake up to cops & CPS at my door to steal my child despite no further interactions with cops or lawbreaking since my 290 arrest. My daughter adores me I cant even check the mail without her crying for me.

Please tell me the hospital social worker was held accountable for forgery, fraud, human trafficking, etc.

Do getting a verbal warning count? She was not fired or arrested only forced to abandon all further attempt to take my child.

I am in Illinois, Been on the registry for more than 20 years and am for lifetime. My conviction was for a non-contact offense that the judge said “in this case there was no victim”. During parole/probation, the judge specifically ordered that there was to be no restriction on me being around children, my children, my grand children, or their friends. But when probation ended the police took over and informed me that I had to stay away from children, could not go to a McDonald’s that has a play area, could not go to a park, could not use the bike trail that goes right past my house.

But time went on and about 10 years later, while visiting with a friend that I have known since high school, his sister called him saying she needed someone tall to change a light bulb for her. I said I could stop by on my way home and do that. His sister had a 3 year old daughter. It was the middle of July and was about 100°F. The sister lived about 1 block from my friend. I stopped and changed the bulb by just reaching up to the ceiling, easy for me since I am 6′ 1″. she offered me some iced lemonade and I accepted.

Seconds later a woman outside was screaming for the sister to identify herself. The sister looked out the window and asked who was screaming her name. The woman on the street identified as being with DCFS. DCFS in IL is the same as CPS in CA. The DCFS person then came to the door and seeing me asked “are you a sex offender?” It seemed like time stopped. I said I am listed on the registry but I am not a sex offender.

Long story short, in a short time there were 9 police from 3 different agencies there, DCFS took the 3 year old because “the mother put her child in such danger by allowing a ‘sex offender’ to be present in the home.” It took over 3 more years before she got her then 6 year old daughter back from the foster care system.

She then learned that her daughter was sexually abused many times in the foster care system of IL. That little girl was very safe in her mothers home, but was put in true danger and was harmed by the government that said they were there to protect her.

The judge of that DCFS case, issued several gag orders forcing several news reports and the WAR website to remove their totally accurate stories about the case from their web sites and to not ever disclose anything about the case to anyone. I was ordered never to disclose anything about the case to anyone.

Corruption runs deep. I had traced that the judge personally knew the foster family, was a joint owner with the foster dad of a small company that the DCFS worker also was also an associate of.

Because of the judges threats to me I was deeply afraid of what he could do to me because I am listed on the registry. It was as if that judge himself had sexually abused that little girl and profited financially from it.

Not only do we need to abolish the registry, but we need to abolish the DCFS, CPS, and the secret court systems that lock the court room doors and cover the windows so that they can harm children for profit.

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While I can understand this if the child in question is a result of the crime, I question the constitutionality of it otherwise. Utah has such a provision, but the “mother” can agree to the contact and the Court will allow it. Such happened in my case, where the State attempted to interfere. Once I beat the State on the “dangerousness to the child” aspect they left the case, and the judge asked the “mother” if she agreed to me having rights, she said yes, and the parentage order was signed. Joint legal custody and above standard visitation rights, this was 12 years ago. We have raised him together, sometimes together, but it did not last between us – but we are still good friends and still raise him together.

There is normally a very high bar for a Court to indefinitely interfere with parental rights. While CPS might get involved and can ask the Court to restrict/terminate the rights of a parent, it is ultimately up to the judge, not CPS. In Utah such presumptions are rebuttable; however, if other states have made this a non-rebuttable presumption I would challenge these new laws as an unconstitutional violation of due process (essentially the legislature is acting as the judiciary by deciding individual cases).

“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”

It seems some victims or sex assault are having to live with the recourse or fate as a result of actions of others and out of their control. The loss of dignity is the worst of it i believe, the self talk. While scarred and scared, they still breath. Raised penalty has the effect of the second kick from a mule, from which absolutely nothing new is learned. Family separation has far too often been occurring in WI since 1993-5 timeframe based on personal knowledge of other men on the list. i know of a peculiar offender suicide that’d in 2006 happened under similar family circumstances. It used to be dealt within the family but now its socially profitable.

What about the cases were the wife was the “victim” during their teenage years and got together? These situations should be left up to families without an emotional social worker or CPS. How many children have been removed from decent homes all because a person’s past decades ago? CPS is as useless as the registry, however both are used as vengeance to harm children.

As long as the marketing masterminds keep using “victim oriented” sales pitches to push tougher laws the system won’t get better.

You can watch shows and play videogames where characters get chopped and dismembered but I doubt there will ever exist any “pro-sex offender” mainstream movement. Take that as comedy if you want, lol. It just goes to show you they knew what they were doing when the created the whole scheme.

Marketing.

My wife’s best friend and her son needed a place to stay for a little while no big deal she was like family to us we’ve all known each other since high school.
One day she went down to Social Services and applied for welfare assistance when filing out the application she put my address and when ask who all lives in the home she put me my wife and my kids names on the application with my wife’s permission.
About 1 month later I get a knock at the door I look and its 2 lady’s a young black woman and a older white woman i open the door and asked can I help you the younger one introduced her self and said she worked for CPS then asked for my wife’s best friend.
I think the older lady was training the younger one because she sat back and watched closely as the the younger woman interviewed each of us individually they even interviewed all the children in the home .
When they were finally done interviewing us they went and sat in their car for 3 hours they came back and said they were gonna take my wife’s friend’s son unless she can find another place to live within 24 hours and recommend that she just move back home with her mother.
It was so sad everyone was crying I told the CPS worker you can’t do this you know her and her son aren’t in any danger that’s when the older lady turned to me and said Mr_____ can you and your wife pass a drug test right now I noticed the smell of marijuana coming from your patio before we walked up if I was you I’d shut up and mind your own business befor i open a case on every child that lives in this home and if she wanted too she could call the cops and have them search my house for possible drugs.
That shiit scared the liveing HELL out of us we ended up moving to the next county over

Good luck

Too bad they weren’t as protective of Anthony Avalos, Gabriel Fernandez, Noah Cuatro and so many other innocent little kids allowed by social workers to continue living with known, verifiable monsters.
I’m glad you got out there.

I did not see anything in the journal about what ACSOL is going to do about this issue in CA?

@Brett and others – Yes, this issue is on our list of laws to challenge. Having said that, ACSOL can only do that for which it has resources. Please donate now so that ACSOL can challenge more laws. Thank you.

My wife and I brought this to you years ago. I sent you links to this horrifically unconstitutional law, and even cut and pasted it directly into chat and Emails I sent you. My wife and I even drove up to LA to see you in person. Every single time we were simply dismissed with a “Sorry, I don’t do family law” and I tried to explain that I wanted you to challenge the law itself, not go to family court, and was met with silence.
I signed a plea deal in 2009, got out of prison in 2010 and shortly afterwards met the woman who would become my wife. In 2014 on January 27 my wife gave birth to our daughter. Almost immediately we started to get calls and visits from CPS, hounding us and looking for an excuse to take our daughter away. One day my wife needed to go to work, so she left our daughter with me. That day I had a run in with an officer, noting bad, just asking me if I had seen anything happen In the area I was in. He of course put my info down and the fact that I was caring for our daughter.
Less than a week later on May 15th 2014, we were called into family court where they forcefully stole our daughter from us right there in the court room. The following two years were a joke, they made us jump through all the hoops and play their game which we did perfectly. In the end they terminated my parental rights because I have to register, and they terminated my wife’s parental rights because she wouldn’t divorce me. Of course she couldn’t because her green card application hinges on our marriage. If she had divorced me, they were fully prepared to deport her straight away.
They ended up adopting our daughter to the foster mom who made it clear she wanted our Daughter from the start, so CPS did everything they could to hamstring our case and paint us as monsters. I have only ever been to prison that one time and served the minimum sentence.
The Judge just basically ate up everything CPS said, and when we would bring evidence contrary to what they presented he acted like it wasn’t that important. He was obviously Bias.
Here its 2021, our Daughter just turned 7 in January, and is a complete stranger to me. She has no idea that she was stolen, or that she now lives with imposters. She calls another woman mother. She has missed out on all the love and advantages she would have gotten here, like naturally speaking a second language (Mandarin). Our lives have been destroyed because of this. My wife doesn’t want to have another baby because she is terrified that they will just take that one away too. We are good loving parents, we were never accused of any wrongdoing to our daughter. The entire premise of the case was “Maybe, possibly, perhaps, could happen” which by those standards anyone could fall victim, even the judge. I always thought you had to do something wrong to get punished in our legal system… I was wrong. If you want capitol to start your fight against this case, we have it, just like we offered to pay then. This law must be struck down and any injustice portrayed in its name be reversed.

And for anyone interested, the law she is referring to is “Family Code: 3030” which can be found here.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=FAM&sectionNum=3030.

Jon wrote “If you want capitol to start your fight against this case, we have it, just like we offered to pay then.” Have you heard from ACSOL after your post Jon?

Nothing yet, I will let you know once they do. We have been stuck in this nightmare for 7 years now. Justice is long overdue. We will certainly pony up our share, I know with Janice going after it we have a good change of victory. Maybe if we can get the law ruled as unconstitutional, we can challenge the termination of our parental rights and the adoption that should have never happened. We have never given up on our daughter and never will. She will always be loved by us, her real biological parents.

My wife and I brought this to you years ago. I sent you links to this horrifically unconstitutional law, and even cut and pasted it directly into chat and Emails I sent you. My wife and I even drove up to LA to see you in person. Every single time we were simply dismissed with a “Sorry, I don’t do family law” and I tried to explain that I wanted you to challenge the law itself, not go to family court, and was met with silence.
I signed a plea deal in 2009, got out of prison in 2010 and shortly afterwards met the woman who would become my wife. In 2014 on January 27 my wife gave birth to our daughter. Almost immediately we started to get calls and visits from CPS, hounding us and looking for an excuse to take our daughter away. One day my wife needed to go to work, so she left our daughter with me. That day I had a run in with an officer, noting bad, just asking me if I had seen anything happen In the area I was in. He of course put my info down and the fact that I was caring for our daughter.
Less than a week later on May 15th 2014, we were called into family court where they forcefully stole our daughter from us right there in the court room. The following two years were a joke, they made us jump through all the hoops and play their game which we did perfectly. In the end they terminated my parental rights because I have to register, and they terminated my wife’s parental rights because she wouldn’t divorce me. Of course she couldn’t because her green card application hinges on our marriage. If she had divorced me, they were fully prepared to deport her straight away.
They ended up adopting our daughter to the foster mom who made it clear she wanted our Daughter from the start, so CPS did everything they could to hamstring our case and paint us as monsters. I have only ever been to prison that one time and served the minimum sentence.
The Judge just basically ate up everything CPS said, and when we would bring evidence contrary to what they presented he acted like it wasn’t that important. He was obviously Bias.
Here its 2021, our Daughter just turned 7 in January, and is a complete stranger to me. She has no idea that she was stolen, or that she now lives with imposters. She calls another woman mother. She has missed out on all the love and advantages she would have gotten here, like naturally speaking a second language (Mandarin). Our lives have been destroyed because of this. My wife doesn’t want to have another baby because she is terrified that they will just take that one away too. We are good loving parents, we were never accused of any wrongdoing to our daughter. The entire premise of the case was “Maybe, possibly, perhaps, could happen” which by those standards anyone could fall victim, even the judge. I always thought you had to do something wrong to get punished in our legal system… I was wrong. If you want capitol to start your fight against this case, we have it, just like we offered to pay then. This law must be struck down and any injustice portrayed in its name be reversed.

I see nobody replied to your post, I think I know why Jon. I’m no legal expert but I’ve seen this happen to some in my state. This issue is more complex than just a registry issue. It’s a Child Protective Services issue as well. The only way to have a fair trial for you and your wife’s parental rights is to take the case to a new jurisdiction that doesn’t take the label as an immediate admission of guilt and requires proof of actual provable wrongdoing concerning the situation (provided there is none because even a simple charge as negligence is hard to disprove and requires a lot of proof to disprove the accusation). If the ruling is still appealable I’d start there. Win that case in the new jurisdiction then sue the old jurisdiction and you may have a chance to get your daughter back. Like I said I’m no legal expert but I can see why the law they used against your family would blind you to not see through the maze of legal hurdles you will have to go through. DCFS or CPS, they all use the same tactics (after an accusation is made the social workers are taught to believe these accusations are true and a child is endanger until otherwise proven), I’m 95 years old and as a parent of a recently deceased daughter from covid that I fought for in court in the 60’s and won, I wish you the best. It will be a struggle if still possible but I wouldn’t trade the time I had my daughter and watched her graduate and have my grandson while she was a teacher before she passed.

I appreciate the reply and the advice you are trying to give. You also have my deepest condolences for the loss of your daughter.
There were a lot of things wrong with our case. The way the law is written, if someone who has to register is alone with a child (even their own). That child is automatically considered to be at great risk of harm and can be taken away by cps or police ect. And from that point you must go to court and try to prove to the court that you are absolutely no threat to your child. Which if whoever the judge is doesnt like your rap sheet is near impossible.
The other complication was the CPS worker. The first my wife was given for reunification (because they wouldn’t even consider me until I won the right, but thats another story) was a man who outright told my wife that unless she divorced me and then be more “friendly” to him, that he would make sure she never got our child back. Of course my wife complained and all they did was transfer him to another case. The second CPS agent we were assigned was brand new. This was her first case and she was looking to make her bones with this one. Oh boy did she hate me and my wife and greeted us with venom in every stare and sentence. Another thing compounding the difficulties is that my wife is Chinese. This makes things difficult in that the Judge asked her directly if she saw me as a threat to our child? Well being Chinese she would never speak badly about her husband in public like that. Also from the time we met even up until now, she has never seen that person they claim I am on my records, because he never existed. So she answered truthfully and said no, because she doesn’t see me as a threat at all because she knows I would lay down my life for our daughter without thought or hesitation.
The other way her being Chinese complicated things is the judge ordered the the case worker to do her best to find classes that are “more sensitive to her Chinese language and customs” because English is obviously a second language for her, but she can speak and understand English just fine. Well the cps case worker figured out how she could use that against us. So anytime she gave my wife a class, she went and completed it right away. Went to all of her visits ect. After my wife would finish one we would start bugging the case worker for the next class so we could try to work through this as fast as possible. But she would always put us off for weeks at a time claiming she couldn’t find anything that complied with the judges orders. Little did we know that there was a time limit on how quickly you can get a case done (Roughly 2 years). So thats what she did, she ran out the clock on us, and we tried explaining to the jude that she was the one who was not providing us the classes to do, but he didn’t care. His mind was made up the moment we walked through the door on day 1. Everything else was just to make it look good.
Sorry if this got a little long, as you can obviously see, I could go on for days about this and all of the BS they pulled and how the judge just looked the other way. They even hired an attorney for our daughter who was fighting against us, AND MADE US PAY FOR IT!! If I’m going to hire an attorney for our daughter he damn sure isn’t going to argue against us. Furthermore after they terminated our parental rights, they hit us with the bills for the court and attorney fees. Except they charged them against us as child support so they could go directly into our accounts to take the money. I didn’t think you could have child support after your parental rights were terminated.
I haven’t even gotten into how they lied constantly about our visits with our daughter, or how they would threaten to cancel our visits if we tried to record them or take notes for proof. Or how we had one chaperone who actually liked us and was on our side, she wrote one good report on us and she was gone before our next visit, even though she said she was supposed to be permanent.
They wanted our baby because she was beautiful, only a few months old when they took her, and the foster mom wanted to keep her. Why would you want to adopt a child the parents are fighting to get back? If you truly loved a child, and wanted what was best for them you would do your best to see that they were reunited with their family. The statics don’t look very good for kids brought up through adoption.
They only really try to reunite a family if the kids are too old and can’t be tricked into believing that the foster family is their real family. Babies are way easier to adopt out and cps gets the most for them. No one wants to adopt a kid who is already 10 years old. These politicians talk about fighting human trafficking, and yet the biggest offender is operating out in plain sight and no one does anything.
Anyways, from my understanding, there are no other appeals, and once the adoption goes through its final…. Unless of course if the law they used to strip her away from us were to be ruled as unconstitutional. Then we can argue that since the law they used was unconstitutional, then our rights should have never been stripped and the adoption should have never happened at all. We can argue that our rights were violated when they took our parental rights using a law that is unconstitutional.
Thats my hope at least, and its the only thing that helps us get by day after day… Hope that one day our daughter will come home to us sovwe can just be a family and live in peace.

Jon,

I see you and your wife really fought diligently. This is sad for me. I wish the stories were different that I looked up, just average people that have lost their children to bogus accusations or some family member calling in bogus allegations. It’s horrible how much power the CPS has now. One story I was reading said CPS or DCFS seems to supersede even police powers now. That means any person, anywhere can become a victim of the same trouble your family has suffered.
My big issue with that is the training those that are involved in those jobs get. Also with such power if the social worker dislikes a person they are investigating nothing prevents them from using that bias towards their case. It’s really scary to think about.
When you described how that social worker dragged out the classes that caused your family to miss the time limit, that really proves how bogus things can get. The fact that you are already defending yourself against accusations is hard enough but then having someone totally prevent you from having a chance to prove those accusations wrong is really injustice. I’m sorry for your family and I believe this shouldn’t be like this at all.
I wish I was a lawyer or had a lawyer friend, my brother that passed away some years ago was a lawyer in Indiana. I know he’d have helped my grandson and and your situation if he was able.
I think the social worker dragged the classes out hoping you and your wife would either give up, implode (argue, fight, breakup), or hope time would run out as it did. That’s really a cruel and underhanded strategy (when I think of it), I wonder if that alone could be cause for appealing the case. The fact they also made you pay for a state paid lawyer for your daughter is also questionable in ethics. How is that legal. I’m sure I’m just asking questions you’ve asked already both to yourself and others, but I’m really hoping you and your wife get your daughter back. I also hope you sue them when you do for the damage they have caused in your family dynamic. These are the crimes that shouldn’t be swept under the rug because it was a supposedly child friendly institution that did it.
I will pray for you, your wife, and your daughter (I’m not pushing my belief off on any person but in my life prayer has been most powerful). Be safe and thank you.

Daam 95 years old how long you been on the registery

Jon – I am so sorry for everything you and your wife have had to endure from CPS…I myself have been through this and It is truly a nightmare. Yes the law needs to be struck down and timing is everything. God speed Janice… go get them (CPS).

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“Please understand that I am not advocating for nor would I support a registry for individuals convicted of murder. Instead, I am advocating for the end of all sex offender registries”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/3/25/22334208/sex-offenders-englewood-apartment-sawyer-aclu-editorial

But alas, as Janice points out, no one seems to have the least concern about where a convicted murderer might live, do they?? 🙄

Nope, Registry Supporters/Terrorists don’t even care if murderers live next door to schools. They are fine with murderers in schools. Know why? Because the Registries have nothing to do with protecting anyone. They are for harassment and growing big government’s carceral businesses. You would think they’d want more Registries and thus customers. But I don’t think they can demonize the others enough to justify their harassment. But why don’t they try? Afraid it will expose the idiotic Hit Lists and erode support for them?

Or how about just regular shooters and other Gun Offenders? Those people are obviously more dangerous than 99% of the people listed on the Hit Lists. It is not fun enough to harass them apparently.

I have zero fear of child molesters being around my children and grandchildren. Others are a lot more dangerous.

Will said “I have zero fear of child molesters being around my children and grandchildren. Others are a lot more dangerous.”

You are so correct. Children are 20 times more likely to be sexually offended by someone who is not on the list, than to ever be touched by someone on the list.

See: A study conducted of sexual crimes in New York by Jeffrey Sandler, Kelly Socia, and Naomi Freeman in 2008 found more than 95 percent of registerable sexual offenses and more than 94 percent of sexual offenses against children in the state are committed by first-time offenders. The researchers reviewed more than 170,000 charged sexual offenses in the state between 1986 and 2006.

Mothers are dangerous. There should be a registry, and there is one in California.

“Number of child abuse victims in the United States in 2019, by perpetrator relationship”
https://www.statista.com/statistics/254893/child-abuse-in-the-us-by-perpetrator-relationship/

Child Abuse Central Index
https://oag.ca.gov/childabuse

Looking at those stats of child abuse, all I can say is WOW!

It is a lot different than the general assumptions for sure.

Now mentioning providential justice and even types of rain barrel Justice is just one of many facets. One has Racial Justice, Corporal, legislative Justice, Fraudlent Justice, Vain Justice to name a few. Even Criminal Justice is blind in many ways. Just what is punitive Justice today.

As even Janice mentioned in these ACSOL rules and discussions – we believe that the punishment must fit the crime. That right there is what a good constitutional lawyer understanding. Sure we all have attributes. Yes I once said on here I am nobody but we are all somebody with God and true understanding in many ways and means.

Is government corrupt, or fundamentally rotten and blind today or do we still talk about gun control Justice, even abortion laws in Justice, or who is casting one an evil monister or did Rome actually burn. Even Janices view on “To kill a mockingbird” has meaning even today. And yes my dad and many enjoyed Hitchcock in the day and many of his short story’s.

I wanted to chip in my two cents here, since I’ve raised this particular point over and over again when I talk about my experience on the registry (Michigan’s to be specific). I’ve worked alongside murderers and know friends in the government, who also work alongside 1st degree murderers, and I can say with confidence that the punishment inflicted by the registry is the most extreme you can dole out on a person bar life imprisonment or the death penalty. It never ends and it seeps into every facet of your day to day life from your work (assuming people ever let you hold onto a job for more than a month once they find out) to your social life (do not expect your friendship groups to stay the same) and even into your mental psyche (the notion that you are somewhat lesser than everyone around you is always there, in the back of your head).
You talk of how it impacts people with kids but how about all the young people (who probably never committed a crime in their lives before or since), introverted, spited or otherwise, who are dragged into this byzantine hellhole and feel like they’ve been cast out of society like trash to die on the margins, or who kill themselves to save themselves from a lifetime of pain, suffering, and ostracizement.
Every now and then I see posts on social media about killing pedophiles and in the comments they go onward to talk about registrants and I realize that someone killing me or anyone else on the registry would (and some are) be seen as heroes instead of killers.
If the government really wanted to make society safer why not go after drunk drivers, who kill more people each year than registrants do and cause more damage to society? All of this just doesn’t make sense to me.

Jack,
Judge Matsch called it ” Cruel and unusual. “

Safety and security are good but promoting for profiting can be a scavenger hunt in many instances for public safety. Letting others know that one has been dabbed by another with the title “sex offender”. Is the love of money is the root of all evil or who is carnal today or who seeks wisdom and understanding in many vain ways in overcoming another whether by physical means or other methods.

Now I am in a Commonwealth state so what is common, what is biblical, or what is unethical. Yes California has a mixed variety of people. Florida was indian land. Even the town that I grew up in was Cornstock tribe area Chief Logan, so is the Registry an F-troop of errors to trap in a vain way by sexual inducement.

Sure Janice, her team and many more advocates are on the threshold of this immoral game of hid and seek that compounds many from many scales and balances of human behavior or one’s understanding or where is the biblical factors in all this game chasing. Sure trying to figure all this out is a bit much.
One has Tim with his database theory, myself with biblical understanding, even one’s manmade devices of destruction of internet persuasion, or a tongue that no one can tame, so where does true wisdom and understanding come in. Where is the discernment in all this. Is all this registry underveloped with a court of law or a jury of one’s peers and many times one doesn’t even get the opportunity to have many of these issues in front of a court and are blind sighted in much of this registry game by those in authority that seem to be above others.

Sure one’s own people will be against them in many issues, so where is love thy neighbor in much of this human war of understanding with this registry. Would the registry be a developing war of the mind to overcome another in some brownie point saga. I rest my case.

Speaking of murder,
I am sitting here watching the D. Chauvin trial and a Lt is testifying to his development to their intelligence database ( strategic info center)and surveillance systems that he helped develop, write SOPs etc. and it use as it applied to the Floyd killing. Why this evidence is relevant to questions of guilt is beyond me. While i understand bodycams are linked up, how they work is irrelevant, ( how the cam mounts etc.)yet time is used up going over such testimony.
The reason i bring it up is during FTR cases ive experienced, most of stuff I’d like in trial as relevant is ruled out by judge. ” We’re not going to far into the qualifying sex case. “

I have been watching this trial live every day for the 4th day now. There is a lot of evidence introduced/seen. I do not understand why some of it makes a difference too. George Floyds death (seeing him die) made a huge impact on my life as I saw a man die by strangulation/choking while I was in prison. The day I saw the first video of him dying, I paced my house crying and stomping my feet wondering how this could happen; it is embedded in my mind forever. RIP George.

Exactly…2014 my spouse was arrested all charges were behind the screen. When the police raided our home early morning with only myself and our two children 10 and 13, CPS was with them. After CPS interviewed both my children extensively I was told on that very morning by CPS they did not believe my children were assaulted in anyway and they were closing the case and would not proceed further. 4 days later as our extended family came together to bail-out my spouse, which there were no court restrictions placed on him by the judge that he would be allowed to return home…. CPS appeared at my door at 3am the very moment he was released and demanded to know why he was bailed out and whether or not I would allow my spouse back to our house. Now frightened, shaking and mad I found my voice and I told CPS that every person is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law and reminded them they signed a paper stating that they themselves came to the conclusion that neither of my children were ever harmed or victims, in anyway. CPS strongly stated reply to me was because I bailed my spouse out of jail I too am considered a risk to my children. So if he returned to the home at anytime before CPS family court deemed it was safe for him to do so… my children would be removed from my custody. So it began…family court appointment, CPS forced therapy appointments, weekly supervised visits for my spouse and much, much more. All this when you are trying to fight a criminal case, as well. CPS family court is a 100% nightmare worse than criminal court and a horror for all children forced to appear. Parents are presumed guilty and you will not be viewed innocent…UNLESS you have a attorney who knows the CPS Family Court system. After 7 months of CPS pulling the strings and telling me they were working to close the case…my final straw was the death of my brother and CPS refusing to allow my spouse to attend his funeral with our family. My family told me to find another attorney outside of CPS control…I found an excellent family law defense attorney….Lauren K. Johnson in Orange County…she not only got my case closed in 2 months with my spouse retaining some parental rights but proved the Social workers acted unjust and overstepped their authority, which was why the CPS Court judge decided best to close the case. But in the end both of my children were damaged my son now 17 can not listen to the 1-8777-KARS for Kids jingle on the radio without horrible flashbacks. And all this isn’t even the worse of my 9 month with CPS. Horrible, Horrible….

Hi Laura. My heart goes out to you ! I am SO sorry that you and your children were subjected to all that they/you were! I hope/pray that, in time, everyone will heal.

Prayers do help and give one peace….Thank you.

Ugh, what a heart wrenching story. My heart also goes out to you and your kids. Mine are now about the same age yours were when this happened and I shudder at the notion of some fascist government hacks or do-gooder civilians sticking their noses into our lives because of my transgression 30+ years ago. I’m constantly thinking I need to move out of the house before my kids are caught in a collision between my past and present, but then think how that could do more harm than good to their young psyches during these, their formidable years. I know I’m not alone in being so conflicted.
Anyway, I hope your family fully recovers fully from this nightmare.

Thank you for your kind words. Do tread carefully..At 10years old my son was forced to attend weekly therapy where the CPS court appointed therapist interrogated both my kids at every session. Finally at one session I could hear my 10 year old son through the door flat out tell this CPS therapist….”I have told you every week for months now just like I told the social worker that my father never harmed him and never would harm and I don’t want to keep coming here but instead be able to spend my time playing soccer and baseball with my friends and my teams. I could hear him shout this through the door….. In less than a minute he came out of the office I said the therapist “I heard him say…..The therapist smiled with no response and shut her door on me. When we got in the car I comforted him the best I could and asked him how the therapist answered him….My son said She said she could play ball with me but she was unable to stop the weekly sessions. Disgusting….The harm CPS did and by what Janice says…CPS is still harming and not healing. Here is a money donation Janice….Go get them!

I don’t know if CPS got “better” about trying to protect children, but courts sure as hell didn’t seem to care about children’s well being in the past. At least seemingly in non-sex offense cases.

I grew up with a very abusive alcoholic step-father. He used to beat all of us. It all columnated on my 10th birthday when he nearly beat my mother to death with a claw hammer. A few days later our mother finally got the courage to break the abuse cycle and filed a restraining order. We literally had police come to our home to escort him out.

A year later, some ______ judge ruled the asshole could have unsupervised visitations with my brother (his biological son), a child whom he used to beat with a leather belt so hard, that the fixed buckle would fly off. The fear and tears in my little brother on the day of the first FORCED weekend still hunts me nearly 30 years later. Even more so because he was begging me to go with him and even offered to give me a couple of dollars he had. And I failed him. It brings tears to my eyes just typing this.

I’m truly sorry for what you and especially your children faced at the hands of people pretending to want to help.

SR – I hear you and this is horrific indeed.
However, having been on the other end of the spectrum WHY indeed does your father, or any parent who has physically harmed their own child either violent beatings just like what your parent did or buy drug use are then allowed unsupervised visitation? Answer… Because this fall under what CPS puts it “Keeping” the family in tact”?

“Family in tact” and that is what CPS does except when it is anyone with a non-violent sex offense allegation such as viewing child pornography or sexting have all their parental rights IMMEDIATELY removed (here in California) and their children put through hell or “Abuse” by the CPS system. The removal of parental rights happens the second the police raid your home, report you to CPS and before a parent with sex offense charges are found guilty by trial or take a plea.
I asked our social worker that very question over and over again in the months of CPS visits and the social workers repeated response was I’m here to make sure your children are safe. Said it just like a broken record. From what my children and I were put through, having done nothing wrong, we may have been shocked/hurt by my spouses allegations all behind the screen. but the 3 of us will remain forever scarred by CPS and the way the CPS system treated us, especially the way they treated our children.

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Worse than murder.

Especially when the State itself gets away with murder through mandated health care.

How is health care murder?? 🤔
No, forget it. I don’t care to know.

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