ACSOL’s Conference Calls

Conference Call Recordings Online
Dial-in number: 1-712-770-8055, Conference Code: 983459

Monthly Meetings | Recordings (3/20 Recording Uploaded)
Emotional Support Group Meetings


PA: ‘Deplorable’ sex offender’s crime could be considered worse than murder, prosecutor says

With a sentence of 23 to 46 years in prison, sex offender ____ ____ will be incarcerated longer than some murderers.

But in a sense, his crime is worse than murder, according to a prosecutor. …  “I say involuntary deviate sexual intercourse is worse than murder because you’ve got to live with it,” (Assistant District Attorney Pat) Broscius said. “When you’re murdered, you’re dead.” Full Article

We welcome a lively discussion with all view points - keeping in mind...  
  • Your submission will be reviewed by one of our volunteer moderators. Moderating decisions may be subjective.
  • Please keep the tone of your comment civil and courteous. This is a public forum.
  • Please stay on topic - both in terms of the organization in general and this post in particular.
  • Please refrain from general political statements in (dis)favor of one of the major parties or their representatives.
  • Please take personal conversations off this forum.
  • We will not publish any comments advocating for violent or any illegal action.
  • We cannot connect participants privately - feel free to leave your contact info here. You may want to create a new / free, readily available email address.
  • Please refrain from copying and pasting repetitive and lengthy amounts of text.
  • Please do not post in all Caps.
  • If you wish to link to a serious and relevant media article, legitimate advocacy group or other pertinent web site / document, please provide the full link. No abbreviated / obfuscated links.
  • We suggest to compose lengthy comments in a desktop text editor and copy and paste them into the comment form
  • We will not publish any posts containing any names not mentioned in the original article.
  • Please choose a user name that does not contain links to other web sites
  • Please send any input regarding moderation or other website issues to moderator [at] all4consolaws [dot] org
ACSOL, including but not limited to its board members and agents, does not provide legal advice on this website.  In addition, ACSOL warns that those who provide comments on this website may or may not be legal professionals on whose advice one can reasonably rely.  
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments

What a load of BS! This is sort of hysteria that politicians use so not surprising that someone prosecutor would parrot the same line of crap however. I am sure you could ask any murder victim which crime they think is worse…what you think their answer would be…wait…you can’t ask them BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD!

Think that points out the little flaw in this prosecutor’s argument without much effort needed at all. Give me a break!

Here’s a thought…ask the molestation victim if it was worse than being murdered! My personal guess is that the victim is not going to think they would have been better off dead.

The “worse than murder” hype has been around for years, which is ridiculous! My guess is that if all victims of sex crimes were asked if what happened to them was worse than murder, the overwhelming majority would say it isn’t.

though I’d suspect your right about the “majority”, I also suspect we might be alarmed and surprised if we were to look at the suicide rate of victims compared to non-victims. Of course I think there is a snowball effect that speaks more to socialization than makes a direct correlation of the crimes themselves to higher incidents of suicidal tendency in victims might be more appropriate as a matter for specific victimology than sweeping generalizations. eg Post Traumatic Stress Disorder seems to increase suicidal tendencies in its sufferers, if PTSD is a common result of molestation,rape or other sex crimes,… Read more »

Stories like this bother me. First of all the guy did not rape the girl, he did touch her or had her touch him. Secondly I would not trust anything the prosecutor says. I could probably go on and on listing every issue I have with this case, but nothing positive will result because there’s no way it would make a difference in the case. Molestation = touching Rape = sex/penetration Murder = dead If I had to choose one of those three acts that I would be forced to endure I would choose molestation. Then if that were not… Read more »

To say that the victim will never be the same or to imply that a victim of sexual misconduct will be traumatized for life is a slap in the face to the victim. Time and studies have shown that a great many victims of sexual misconduct are able to deal with what happened to them and move on – leading well adjusted and productive lives – some people do not have a wish to be a “victim” their entire lives (to the chagrin of prosecutors and politicians) and refuse to allow what happened to them to affect the rest of… Read more »

You what makes victims advocacy groups, and law enforcement, prosecutors, and mental health professionals even more upset? When a quote unquote victim does not buy into the notion that their experience or experiences harmed them. When talking about people interacting with others or even doing something alone, generalizations can be more dangerous than specifics. Sometimes people get hurt and other times they don’t.

In our society today being a victim makes one a “hero” for some odd reason, and as such provides endless employment opportunities for those who wish to champion their causes. To me, this kind of posturing is a direct insult to anyone who has been abused sexually. To tell a victim of sexual misconduct that he/shewill forever be traumatized is to further their victimization. But that’s what prosecutors and Law Enforcement would have the public believe because it gives them more power – more ways to appeal to the jury and the public with nonsensical emotional pleas. It makes me… Read more »

Tired of hiding, ab, Austin.
Excellent comments from all of you.

Even a child would infer, essentially, the judge is telling the victim she would have been better off dead. What a way to start off the healing process for the victim. So you condemn her also to a life without hope and reinforce the dogma that if it involves sex, all is lost, both for perpetrator and victim.

To the lawyer how dare you say that molest or rape is worse than murder, can you bring back my aunt and uncle who was murdered over money and now they are not around to see there grandkids and nephew and yes molest and rape is bad but why don’t you move up the ladder on your own merit, probably because you can’t, I miss my aunt and uncle so don’t tell it’s worse than murder, obviously you don’t know what your talking about, maybe it’s like they say ” you know how to tell when lawyer’s lying? When he’s… Read more »

Now I really know we are living in a time where lies become truth by way of twisted people like this clown and the truth becomes a lie. A sex crime can’t be likened to murder because the parties are still alive. Clown girls logic is flawed. Why are lesser beings being allowed to destroy truth and america along with it; Oh yea! Now I remember, people are dumbstruck and will believe anything they are told.

Sex or death—which is worse. Give me some time to think about this one.

How about the Louisana 16 year old guy who was molested by the two 20 year old teachers, a three-sum. The kid had to tell his friends, The two gals are being prosecuted ,
I bet he thought he was going to die. proably scared for life.
Who’s the victims now ?

Errm..I can’t thumbs up or down your comment because I don’t know if your being sarcastic or what but this sounds like most guys(American) life long fantasy, particularly at age 16. Not that I’m belittling the fact if the person is taken against their will, but In no way would I be able to justify comparing this to a murder.

Jerry Brown, in a veto message this week talked about moral escalation. I think this is what he was talking about. Of course, it is the fashion for law enforcement to speak of every crime as if it was the worst thing they have ever seen. It makes them feel more important. And every military leader talks about the worst threat they have ever seen. I feel a little sad for the prosecutor. If he thinks that sexual purity is more important than life itself, it means he doesn’t have much of a life. This is the kind of attitude… Read more »

“If he thinks that sexual purity is more important than life itself, it means he doesn’t have much of a life. This is the kind of attitude behind “honor killings” in various backward countries.” I could not agree with you more on this! Narrow minded “values” being imposed on everyone by a few zealots like this who have nothing more than political ambitions or monetary motivations behind their actions…of course, some are actually delusion enough to drink their own purple kool-aid…I am not sure which is worse! Just being ignorant or downright evil. Either way they do more harm than… Read more »

I referred to the idea of honor killing of rape victims in a yahoo questions reply yesterday, though I forgot it had a term: “honor killing”. Also I will be sure to make a note of the term “moral escalation” as it is such an apt term to describe whats been going so much lately with the advent of cyberspace particularly relates to bullying,shaming and regarding sexual victimology and criminalization in our societies despite the presumed progress our civilizations have been touted to have experienced. I’m no expert but I tend to believe the greater share of victimization for most… Read more »

I forgot to make the point that I believe the unprovable “worse than death” argument is also a breeding ground to justify almost any interventionist countermeasure.

Whenever there is a shocking case, it becomes an opportunity for prosecutors and others to proselytize their extreme views. What’s worse is the opposite, when a particularly disgusting murder becomes an opportunity to make assumptions about others not involved in the particular case, but share a previous offense. Say, the murderer has prior convictions for, say cp or molestation. Suddenly all offenders with these past offenses become likely murderers in the legislator’s mind, and penalties are increased for these lesser crimes through association. It the rule that one crime represents many and is totally removed from reality. This how penalties… Read more »

Yes, this is what it has come to. A sex offense, ANY sex offense, is at least equal to Murder.

Please see California Proposition 47 for this upcoming election.

Petty theft or writing a bad check under $950 will be prosecuted as a misdemeanor UNLESS the defendant has a prior conviction for Murder or is a Registered Sex Offender under Penal Code 290.,_Reduced_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014) – under “Official Summary”

And there you have it.

Indeed, murders occur far more frequently with narcotics and burglary crimes than they do with sex crimes
Murders involving robbery are 3600% higher (~900 average between 2000 and 2009 he) than murders involving rape and other sex crimes (~25). Murders involving narcotics laws are 2200% higher (~550) than sex crimes. Sooo…once again the people get it completely backwards. The relief should go to the group least likely to escalate their crime to murder, such as offenders who have had a sex related crime.

HystericalPuritanist, who I am not sure if he is being sarcastic in his choosing of his name, said “tendencies in its sufferers, if PTSD is a common result of molestation,rape or other sex crimes, the conclusion might be that sex crimes increase suicidal ” Other sex crimes, other than molestation or rape cannot be worse than being murdered, worse than death. Because NOTHING is worse than death, including rape and molestation. And especially a hands-off offense, like being propositioned on the internet. But I repeat, Nothing is worse than death. This makes me wonder why DUI (( or any crime… Read more »

Would love your thoughts, please comment.x