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UK: Anime fan convicted over illegal pictures of imaginary children

A jobless animation fan has made legal history as he was convicted of having illegal pictures of cartoon children. ____ ____, 39, is believed to be the first in the UK hauled before court over his collection of Japanese Manga or Anime-style images alone.

He admitted 10 counts of possessing prohibited images of children at Teesside Crown Court. His barrister Richard Bennett said: “These are not what would be termed as paedophilic images. These are cartoons.” Full Article

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  1. G4Change

    This is a very scary and slippery slope. On one hand, they can argue that a person possessing/looking at real photographs represents harm to a victim as a real person was involved. However, these are just drawings. Why is it that I think something like this could become a blank check for prosecutors and the government?

  2. Avig

    Well, society itself seems to have become mentally aberrant on the issue of sex. I can only hope that a cure for it can be found. For these people to have anxiety attacks concerning completely imaginary events with completely imaginary characters really does stretch the bounds of sanity beyond the breaking point.

  3. td777

    Hey USA…are you happy now? See what a lousy influence you’ve been to your big brother across the pond?

    If fantasy(fictional art is after all, just fantasy) is now a crime, then you better go arrest EVERY man that has ever watched Britney Spears’ early music videos, almost every teen movie ever made in the last 35 years, and has ever been to a beach in the summer. This is getting ridiculous!!!

  4. wonderin

    The producers of this abhorrent filth should be the ones who are prosecuted. God only knows how many more of these poor little creatures will be violated before the legal system comes to their rescue.

  5. ab

    Drawings, paintings, animations, sculptures, statues, casts, molds, dolls, and other items which can potentially feature a recreated likeness of something real is not in of itself real. If anything this is intolerance at its best.

  6. Tired of hiding

    This is nothing more than censorship. Are the producers of violent video games…movies…musical lyrics prosecuted for murder, assault, or rape…I think not!

    Why? Because that would be denying them their freedom of expression = censorship.

    You MAY not like this person’s drawing BUT he has every right to make them.

    You don’t have to like him as a person…but again, he has every right to his opinion and the right to express it…however unpopular it maybe.

    • ab

      Technically forbidding real images and videos is also censorship. If I felt that engaging in a discussion about the legitimacy and effectiveness of censoring images and videos of real people would do any good its a conversation I would willing start. For now and depending on each person’s personal perspective, not having such a conversation could be part of the real problem or completely trivial.

      Despite our best efforts to shield information from each other for whichever reasons, the world we created and the way societies are run does generally means things can get unrated very quickly.

      • td777

        I have no problem with forbidding images of heinous acts against children. Yes, it’s censorship, but a level of censorship that is and I believe SHOULD be tolerated because it involves the victimizing of children and someone viewing it for their own gratification. Remember, the first statement of what CA RSOL believes is “No sexual abuse is ever acceptable.”

        It would be wise of us to never make statements here that could be interpreted by those against us as finding any sexual abuse as acceptable, no matter how true they may be when you get down to the literal meanings of words like censorship.

        • Joe

          So you have no problem criminalizing fictitious heinous acts against imaginary children but it is okay against adults?

          Been to the movies lately or do you spend all your free time on the slippery slope?

          CA RSOL is correct in stating its goal as ““No sexual abuse is ever acceptable.” Because, distasteful as it (admittedly) is, this isn’t. Just like it isn’t in the movies. Kids or not.

        • td777

          You misunderstood. I said heinous acts, not fictitious heinous acts. Scroll up and see what my thoughts on fictitious acts actually is. The previous poster had said “Technically forbidding real images and videos is also censorship.” Do me a favor and read everything before blasting me, ok?

  7. Pedro

    what about all the art museums with nude pictures and staues. i was just in New York watching people stare at these horrid pieces of art OMG i’m appalled…take them down its causing people to stumble…

  8. td777

    I wonder if the law there under which he was convicted is anything like the California laws. If the letter of the law in California were followed, no one could be convicted in these stings because of the wording of the laws. These laws state something along the lines of the perpetrator “knows or reasonably should know the person is a minor.” Well, to know implies it to be fact. You cannot know the earth is flat, no matter how many people say it is or how convincing someone persuades you, you can only believe it. By the same token, you cannot know someone is a minor if they are not, you can only believe it. To be convicted under these laws is a perversion of the law at best.

    • ab

      Cartoon characters don’t have an age. Sure someone could draw or animate a character to look around an age, but in reality and across the billions of people around the world how one person looks on their fifth birthday isn’t universal. Nor are appearances universal for any other age. Someone who is 30 can appear to still be seventeen or eighteen, maybe even younger.

      For real people I would understand if someone who has started puberty looks much older than they actually are. Anyone who looks prepubescent should easily cause a reasonable person to guess that person is not of consenting age.

      As for your flat earth argument, yes you can know that the earth is flat or rather not flat. Physical measurements can be done on a surface to determine how flat or not it is. If no curvature is found then yeah it would be flat. However, the earth is not flat and aside from measurements a select group of very lucky people have seen the earth from space and have taken pictures and even then satellites have taken pictures and videos. Now if someone doesn’t believe people have ever been in space or we have not sent machines into space, such a person is completely insane.

      Absolutely you can know if someone is a minor under certain circumstances. Getting really into the nitty gritty its possible to know for sure almost everything about someone under the right conditions. I laugh how people say under the law something is either true or it is not. Know what? I don’t give a rat’s ass what is true or not under the law because laws are not facts, they are opinions. What matters is what information was used to form and codify those opinions into laws and regulations. If anything ought to be questioned it would be all the research or utter lack thereof used to create and amend legal opinions.

      I could say rape is harmful and generally people would agree. However if they found out that I thought for example my definition of rape was a fourth of July BBQ, opinions would change. Though thankfully I am not an idiot and don’t think a BBQ on the fourth of July is rape. That being said unlike others I don’t fear asking why the actual legal definition of rape is what it is and what evidence is used to support the claim that such activity is harmful. Not because I doubt the validity of the evidence or how it was collected (even though knowing the how, what, when, where, and why of things is extremely helpful in understanding them), but because such information should be accessible to anyone wanting to see it. This is in regards to any rule, regulation, policy, or law about anything. Understand why side A has their views, why side B has other views, and if there is legitimate room for other view points and what those points might be and why those points have their views. Then and only then can anyone ask the who, what, where, when, why, and how about all the points to determine if right or wrong, good or bad, are appropriate terms and which ways those terms can be applied to each perspective to create a better answer on factual reality and any steps that should be taken to align rules and regulations etc….with actual facts.

    • td777

      The only reason someone should have given this comment a thumbs down is they believe firmly in the myth that sex offenders are dangerous and the stings are a great idea. Otherwise, you didn’t really read what I said here or in my other posts. Did you not notice I was pointing out what a farce these laws are in the first place?

      • wonderin

        Sometimes people accidentally click on down when they meant up. Now if you get multiple thumbs down like I often do, then it’s a different story.

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