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Interpol and Green Notices

Interpol is an international organization but one with autonomous national branches in each of its member countries and which fall under the laws of those individual countries.

The U.S. has its own Interpol force (Washington Interpol) which acts as a representative to Interpol, the international organization. Washington Interpol is composed of American citizens who are U.S. government employees (both Dept. of Justice and Homeland Security). As such, they must entirely adhere to U.S. laws and must operate within limits defined by the U.S. Constitution. This is how we can, and must, hold them to account.

There can be no doubt that Interpol is currently engaging in unprecedented domain expansion with, not only sex offender notifications, but with its system of “Notices” in general and a level of intergovernmental collusion which can only be seen as circumventing the due process rights of their own respective citizens. It is on this basis which they must be challenged.

The U.S., as I pointed out in the piece I wrote in June of this year, is, with this system of notification to foreign governments of its citizens criminal conviction history, asserting that it is not limiting the travel rights of their citizens (but which is being contemplated by International Megan’s Law were it to be signed into law).

Rather, its principle conceit is that it is simply providing advance notification to those countries to which the “offender” wishes to travel. The entirety of the decision to allow or disallow entry to those “offenders” is made, in this interpretation, solely by those foreign governments.

It is this ‘good faith’ representation by the U.S. government, in which its complicity with foreign governments to demonstrably harm the liberty interests of its citizens, which must be challenged.

There can be no reasonable interpretation of this policy of information sharing as anything other than an unwarranted attack by the U.S. Government upon the rights of its citizens.

Any court challenge mounted against this policy will almost certainly turn on this issue.

But this is where we need experienced legal counsel, if we are to move forward.

*** This was a comment on International Travel – China / Thailand by David Kennerly, Nov 21 ***

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I have always known this since the International Megan’s Law was pursued in its early days. The plausible deniability was purposely built in to effect the maximum damage without legal consequences. The only way to fight this is, in fact, with a preponderance of evidence, in this case an abnormally high amount of travel rejections. This is the same way that sex offender registry laws were originally predicated on the high recidivism rate, which have since been proven false through emphatically rebuted statistics over the course of several years. The problem is that once a precedent has been set, it’s… Read more »

It would also need to turn on the issue of “all men being equal under the law.” If green notices were being sent out to other countries in regards to travelers of every conviction class, that would be one thing. Specifically targeting one particular low-recidivist demographic while ignoring those with much higher rates (drug trafficking, for example. Not to mention theft, fraud, and other white collar crimes) debunks the entire basis of their argument. Certainly due process is an issue. But these administrative policies should also be challenged on matters of equality, and the lack of public safety benefit gained… Read more »

I post the link to this article just for informational purposes and to see if any comments or ideas come out of it.

http://euobserver.com/justice/121207

Excellent article!! Thanks, it helps to fill in a few more pieces.

Interesting, indeed. I would certainly add the USA to the list of countries using Interpol to further their political agendas rather than for public safety purposes. How else to describe the de-facto detention of many hundreds of thousands of citizens who have served their sentences and whose recidivism rate is so low?

Another step toward new world order.

Two problems: 1. Most crimes are not international in scope and most people are not thinking about going to another country just to violate the laws there. 2. What is a crime in the United States isn’t necessarily a crime somewhere else or vise versa. Call these notifications whatever you want, but the sick truth is they are nothing more than a conforming to our standards/scare tactic. Basically the United States is saying look what we put people in prison for and make them register as sex offenders for, aren’t they scary? You don’t want someone who touched the genitals… Read more »

Based on some conversations and input I have had with folks who work in the world of international travel and tourism, one thing registered citizens may wish to try is to reach out to your international travel destination’s consulate BEFORE you make your travel arrangements. Let them know your situation and your stated business in their country and that not wanting any surprises, you are moving through official channels. There are two instances I am personally aware of that happened when people were trying to enter Canada and both involved prior DUI convictions. One was a person who was a… Read more »

With all due respect, this won’t work for many countries, such as Mexico. The LA Consulate for Mexico is not responsive to inquiries about US Citizen travel to Mexico. Unless someone can post the process for that, the bottom line is that they are just as clueless as we are about registrants being allowed into Mexico.

This was found to be true of at least one British Consulate (in the States), years ago, when the “Five Eyes” agreement on blocking sex offenders from traveling to each other’s countries began to emerge. Their response to queries about traveling to Britain as a registrant? “Well, you’ll just have to try it and find out. We can’t tell you what will happen” [“because we don’t know”, was the clear inference]. Never overestimate the capacity of one government agency to have a clue about what another is doing. On the other hand, never credit a government agency with the honesty… Read more »

The Argentine embassy in Los Angeles will be of not help to you. You will get not information about this from them.

If you think that speaking to an embassy and asking them if they are going to get an Interpol notice and if they do with they still please let you in then you are living in a fools paradise.

You are dealing with governments and embassies while they MIGHT provide some assistance to their own citizens are not going to lift a finger so some sex offender can have a vacation.

You must be kidding!

One experience with asking the British Consulate was “Well, just try it and find out”.

And, quite possibly, they may not really know, themselves. Enormous power has been given to law enforcement and immigration authorities who have extraordinary discretion in allowing people into the country.

Once the information is handed-off to foreign governments by the U.S., then your chances of getting into any country plummet. And the U.S. knows this.

Concerning what is law with the instant deportation program set up by DHS and Interpol: 1) The Statutory reference is 42 U.S. Code 16928: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/16928 2) The Regulatory/ ploicy reference for this program is the Federal Register: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-05-14/html/2010-11665.htm 3) If you read these carefully, the current instant deportation program looks nothing like the 42 U.S.C. 16928 description. Discussion here: http://congress-courts-legislation.blogspot.com/2011/07/public-was-mislead-by-2010-proposed.html This program could be challenged as Unlawful or Illegal based on the current program (current policy and regulations) significantly different in scope than the current law (42 U.S. Code 16928). The US Code and even the regulations published in the… Read more »

IDEA: file a FOIA on the “Green Notice” itself that was issued to the country you tried to visit.

This will answer (unless it is too heavily redacted) several of our questions and may also offer us opportunities for legal challenge.

It would be filed with U.S. Department of Homeland Security, perhaps the U.S. Marshals since they seem to be in charge of the issuing of alerts.

Comments?

Thank you all for doing all this fact checking. I still haven’t heard the government telling any of you why they considered you likely to commit a crime in the destination country. Guess it is just bureaucratic laziness to assume a previous offense means likeliness to commit a new crime (despite the statistics) and they won’t look into it until challenged. Although I haven’t traveled internationally since my conviction, and I don’t have any personal experiences to share in that realm, I am really cheering you guys on.

THe government’s basic premise in saying that sex offenders will continue to sexually offend is NOT limited to travelling but to our very existence…hence the “reasoning” behind the need to register for life or at least decades!

Yes, you know that it’s not true…I know that it’s not true…hell, statistics and reality SHOW that it is not true…but when did reality have anything to do with politics or the government for that matter!

Yet, government officials hate to be exposed doing something that can be seen as stupid, illegal, immoral, wasteful or in any other way makes them look incompetent, as would anyone that has secured a cushy job, therefore, the secrecy. I hope David, et. al. exposes the corruption that I believe is behind all this. But we will see.

Wow! That’s some kind of motherlode there! I will now pore through and attempt to integrate this information. Thank you!

I found this lengthy report when I was snooping around the SMART website. It’s mind boggling to see all the bureaucracies involved in this tracking scheme. Sharing More Information Will Enable Federal Agencies to Improve Notifications of Sex Offenders’ International Travel. http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652194.pdf I found this tidbit interesting: pg.8 ————————————————————————— Although NOT REQUIRED to do so under SORNA, ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) division, consistent with its objective to target transnational sexual exploitation of children, developed the Angel Watch program. The purpose of this program is to provide advance notice to foreign officials when a registered sex offender who committed a… Read more »

Excellent point! I had either missed that or forgotten it.

Interesting. I’m no legal expert, but could this potentially lead to a slander and/or defamation lawsuit?

No, I’m afraid not. Of course, I’m not a lawyer either but that seems pretty safe to say. Slander/libel only comes into play when what is being said about you is untrue. And, even IF that is the case, i.e. if they are going beyond actually reporting the facts of ones conviction and adding their bogus assessment of your risk, government being found guilty of libel or slander are, to my knowledge, virtually unheard of. I think we need to focus on due process, ex post facto punishment, and constitutional right to travel (and it IS a right, as affirmed… Read more »

Check out the report above. It looks like flagging is just happening to those who crimes with children victims. Seems like we’re starting to narrow this down.

FY 2016 DOJ Interpol Brief: Source: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/jmd/pages/attachments/2015/02/01/15._interpol_washington_ipol.pdf Pg 14: Priority Goal 4: “Protecting the most vulnerable members of society” INTERPOL Washington is using its exclusive authority to issue INTERPOL Green Notices as a systematic means of alerting domestic and foreign police agencies to the presence of serious child sex offenders travelling from abroad. In this regard, INTERPOL Washington’s authority now includes the ability to publish Green Notices on U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents with an international nexus that fit the definition of Tier II and III sex offenders under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA), 42 USC… Read more »

I can’t make any sense of this gobbledygook. First it says: “Presently, there are an estimated 725,000 registered sex offenders in the United States. As such, it would be highly impracticable to issue Green Notices on even a small percentage of them.”
Just a couple paragraphs down it goes on…”Under this new process, passenger flight information from CBP will be routinely screened against the national Sex Offender Registry database to identify traveling, convicted sex offenders. CBP will notify INTERPOL Washington, along with their current notifications to the USMS and ICE.”

It is a disclaimer just in case they happen to miss violating the Constitutional rights of a registrant in the flurry. Meanwhile they are out to do as much collateral damage to anyone placed on a registry anywhere. California has stated that this information is only based on a conviction of a registrable offense. It clearly claims that there is no risk assessment, leaving it up to chaos. Why then does not the actions taken to bar registrants from traveling take that into consideration? That should be the lynch pin of the argument that this process is corrupted and registrants… Read more »

http://federal-government.beforeitsnews.com/financial-markets/2015/07/congress-votes-to-take-your-passport-today-2836684.html

This is a very interesting article on what our or maybe “their” US Congress did with a voice vote and making this almost semi-secret. HR 237 now gives the Secretary of State the authority to revoke passports of anyone they deem tied to a terrorist organization or for any other purpose.
It is coming boys and girls, internal exile and do not be surprised if registered citizens fall into the other purposes category.

The eighth paragraph contains the following money quote: “The issue of the secure message helps foreign countries determine admissibility of the convicted sex offender.” And there you go. The mafiaoso “recommendation” by the bully US government. “We ‘suggest’ that if you allow this person in, you will have a lot of problems.” INFERENCE: Must reject registrant to stay out of US trouble! In a nutshell, this is the US denying the international travel of US citizens without having a direct, written policy to challene in federal court. The ONLY way to challenge this, now, is through accumulation of data of… Read more »

They don’t look like they are concerned about constitutionality. This document is a request for money from Congress. This is the sales pitch: State your noble cause: “Protecting the most vulnerable members of society”. Hey, who can be against that? Next show how your cordinatinng with other departments and diligently working on the noble cause: “Complementing these efforts, INTERPOL Washington has entered into a partnership with the U.S. Marshals Service’s National Sex Offender Targeting Center to identify, target, and track non-compliant sex offenders that travel internationally.” It all sounds really professional and official. That sort of coordinating needs a lot… Read more »

I understand and agree what you are saying,Timmr. However, I will continue to send letters and articles of truth. That is the sword that I have and I will use it. It is a huge mountain, however, it can be moved. If, we do not start digging the mountain will grow.

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“To date, INTERPOL Washington has published nearly 6,000 Green Notices in support of this operation.” A very disturbing number. So many lives turned upside down. Contrast this number with the 2015 US Trafficking Report listing the actual numbers of US citizens convicted for child sex tourism. Source: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/245365.pdf Page 357: “U.S. laws provide extraterritorial jurisdiction over child sex tourism offenses perpetrated overseas by U.S. citizens. FBI made six criminal arrests resulting in six indictments and two individuals were convicted in child sex tourism cases in FY 2014. DHS took proactive steps to prevent child sex tourism in 2014 and shared… Read more »

Will be taking a trip to HK in a few months. I have been to Hong Kong this past year without issues. I was wondering if i will have problems TRANSITING through China.

You’ve been to Hong Kong without problems recently? Please submit your experience to our “International Travel Experiences” page where we are collecting Registrant’s (or previous Registrant’s) experiences in attempting to enter individual foreign countries.

I have been waiting to hear about H.K. especially. Thanks!

https://all4consolaws.org/2014/11/international-travel-experiences/

I have an idea we(meaning all registered sex offenders)should all organize a trip together on the same plane or planes and going to a destination that we know barrs us from entering and see if they turn us all away and also to overwhelm them with loads of paper work and notices and too increase the amount of cases in which we are turned away therefore violating our basic right to travel which would add to the statistics and lastly add to our ammunition as evidence for a supreme court trial…. what do you guys think?

Jose,

I actually really like that idea.

Jose, David;

Great idea actually. Perhaps the least expensive foreign destination to fly into from California would be the Tijuana International Airport. Certainly interested in that, and traveling with a camera, a translator and a Spanish speaking attorney would be priceless. As a group much can be accomplished.

I’ve thought the same. Count me in. I will bring my camera gear.

I like that idea. If I am going to shell out money for a vacation and be denied entry to the place I want to go, it should serve a purpose, like this turning it into a protest/educational event.

That is a good idea! Finding ways to make officials look like idiots and creating stastistical evidence in our favor.

Travel is getting out of hand hurting people it was not meant to hurt and cuausing damage to Families. Back over 5 years ago I was accused of touching a girls breast on the outside of the shirt. Long story was my Attorney and a bad Judge who has since been removed forced me to take a deal. The charges had been filed inccorectly and was actually a Level of PBL punishable by life! because of a allegation of Weopon or serious injury both not true. To streamline I fought back won a 3850 Hearing and was resentenced to a… Read more »

Pissed Traveler, Pissed Sojourner !! I am shocked by the Evil these Wicked Servents of both the USA and Costa Rica have Unjustly enflicked upon you and your innocent family members, employees, business associates, and friends. You must take assertive action and answer these Unjust attacks against you and yours with all of your Heart, with all of your Mind, with all of your Soul, with all of your “Very” – Con todo tu “Muy” This is the time of your life when you will prove the quality of your “Steel” This is the time in History to prove to… Read more »

Sorry but your superstitious mumbo jumbo is worthless. These are men’s laws that are in place to trap and control other men. Nothing else. Just politicians with bad intent and blatant disregard for other men’s rights. These laws were once not there and they again need to go. The government is against you and keeping you trapped in your own country. Simply proves that you are not free but property of the US government. Just as slavery was abolished so too must these laws that are keeping us in bondage and held against our will within the boards of the… Read more »

Tired Of Hiding You stated “blatant disregard for other men’s rights.” Pray tell, what is the Source and Origin of Men’s Rights according to the Founding Fathers of The USA? I believe they mentioned to the King of England and World Wide British Empire who claimed his Authority came from a Creator in Heaven that his leadership was no longer needed because the Colony’s of the United States were proclaiming their Unalienable Right from The Creator in Heaven and in particular they spoke of The Elohim (God) of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who reveled HimSelf to Moses on the mount… Read more »

I am a deported victim of ignorance who was convinced on accepting a plea that has ruined my life. An accidental act was taken out of context and made to be what sounds as an atrocious act. Despite that I made the best of this awful situation and was able to start over as a citizen of my country of birth and live a free untainted life as a law abiding citizen. As years went by I found myself in the position to travel and had put behind me this travesty and looked forward to completing a bucket list. I… Read more »

Your (and we) are being punished and baby steps are made regularly to the courts and others that is the case when they were told it was “just a membership”. Sorry for you, however, you are not alone.

You experienced the demented U.S.s overreach into not only its citizen’s lives, but those lives of people that don’t even live here. You aren’t allowed into this country, but they don’t want you in any other country either. Be happy that they can’t tell your home country not to accept you.

@Ignorantly Accused: Sorry about these unjust travel issues. Your case is somewhat surprising because it may be the first time we’ve heard where someone currently ‘not required to register’ has a green notice sent to a third country. The general understanding here of IML is that someone needs to have an offense against a minor (under 18) AND be required to currently register. If you were deported, then you do not currently register right? If you could give some more info, it may be helpful to others and may give you some indications of your ability to travel to other… Read more »

Wow…. please do tell more. You story doesn’t make sense if I understand it correctly.

Are you saying you traveled from a non-US country, to a non-US country, on a non-US passport, and they still stopped you?

Please do provide details. I’m sorry this happened.

If i have a Green notice against me and it says Thailand is the Country likely to be visited.
If i read things correctly the green notice is only sent to Thailand?
Can you guys school me on this notice and if anyone was able to remove it?

I’m not able to go into this right now but you should spend time reading the relevant travel threads on this forum paying particular attention to the mechanism, which goes beyond Green Notices, that notifies other countries of our attempts to travel there. No, the notice sent to individual countries when the U.S. knows you are traveling is not the full extent of it and you should know about this greater scheme before venturing out.

David,

I’m not american.

Im asking only about the Green notice

THanks

Thanks, Trevor. You’re in the U.K. then, I assume? Or perhaps one of the other anglo “Five Eyes?” Still, the possible mechanisms for notification are not entirely clear. The Green Notice, itself, is understood to be a continuously-available alert (until it is canceled) probably available to any country, not just the country you’re intending to visit which, in your case, is Thailand. So, you go to Thailand, give them your passport which they then scan and a match comes up on their computer telling them about your criminal record. The “notice” simply lives on their network waiting for someone to… Read more »

Does interpol focus on felonies, or any criminal record.
It seems as if they would be overwhelmed if they sent out a notice for every misdomeaor.

How do other countries address the travel notices of their citizens?

I am currently communicating with Interpol in France regarding this issue. Hopefully we will have some answers soon.

@Steve: I travel to France regularly, so I look forward to hearing what you find out about the Interpol green notices.

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