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NC: North Carolina Kicks Sex Offenders Out of Libraries, Parks, and Fairs

A new sex offender law took effect in North Carolina on Thursday, restricting offenders’ freedom of movement and association by barring them from libraries, recreational parks, pools, and fairs. The law is designed to replace a previous measure that a federal court ruled unconstitutional in April. It will do nothing to stop sex crimes while continuing to isolate, penalize, and ostracize fully rehabilitated offenders who are attempting to rejoin society. Full Editorial

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God have mercy on those Baptist.

But if minors are abused by family, teachers, coaches & music tutors, how is this new law going to reduce their sexual abuse. It’s not. Those children are NOT being helped by this nonsense.

This is a perfect example of why we cannot depend entirely on having the courts resolve the anti-RC hysteria. Court decisions are like the game of whack-a-mole: hit one bad law and another pops up in a never ending cycle.

FACT: If the public did not see us as monsters, politicians wouldn’t have incentive to pass endless anti-RC bills.

FACT: the public sees us as monsters, so politicians will keep trying to pass laws against us. And when one law is struck down, another pops up slightly rewritten.

SAD FACT: I know a lot of my fellow RCs say that it is a waste of time to show up to events and speak up. I know that it is often because they are scared.

FACT: I have seen people’s attitude changes when we are willing to put a human face on the RC hysteria.

FACT: It’s easier for people to believe stereotypes of a people group when they don’t know anyone personally in that group, BUT when they know someone in that group who breaks the stereotype, they are less likely to continue to believe the stereotype. You can read about a personal encounter I had here:
https://all4consolaws.org/2016/07/peaceful-protest-in-oakland-attracts-more-than-40-people/#comment-156763

Yes, we need to continue fighting in the courts.

But we also need to show up, stand up, and speak up to leaders and groups in the halls of government, and to other individuals when appropriate.

As the attitudes of the public and lawmakers change, less bad laws will be submitted and existing bad laws will be whittled away.

Fact is few people actually use the sex offender registry, which says to me most people can care less. What they do care about is looking correct and the media, especially social media, will make someone feel like an outsider himself, if he does not hate registrants. And there is an industry that profits off that hatred. It will take more than just looking and sounding like a nice guy to turn that around. That being said, I agree, the only way to progress for us is to speak up, By doing so, we empower others to think for themselves, and kind of can break the spell the media puts upon them. The thing people hate more than a sex offender is being scammed, especially by the government. When we speak up we need to expose the scams that keep the registries afloat.

The problem is the people who DO use the registry. I have been off of probation for 10 years and those folks have caused me more anxiety and heartache that the criminal justice/parole and probation system ever did. At least keeping your nose clean and not dong anything stupid gets you a long with with the forces of law and order. Not so with busybody card carrying members of the general public.

That is very true, the majority of the public is enabling these loonies (and i have met several) by not caring about this issue enough to go beyond what the media feeds them.

Hey Joe – I have been commenting on this site under the name “Joe” for almost 4 years now. I certainly have no rights to this name, but any chance you could modify yours? TIA

Joe #1

It’s an example of whack-a-mole on a state level based on tiered systems. This is why we need an attack on the core of it all. As long as you nibble on the edges you’re going to play that whack-a-mole for a very long time.

I think this whole group needs to change direction towards abolishment based on punishment for both retroactivity then complete. In that order.

The Alaska case needs to be re-challenged for the falsities it was based on. That would unravel this whole mess and rightly so.

I’ve seen Janice use the 17 year number for violent offenders as a proposed reason for a tiered registry (lesser for lower risk people).. If that’s true that they are a risk up to that time then how is it that 95% of new crimes are committed by people not on the registry. Risk of offending is a far cry from offending. You can’t keep people hemmed up because you THINK they’re dangerous. It’s “strange” that people don’t see that.

They have to defend the idea that the registry is regulatory for the tiers to make sense. Otherwise, it can’t be constitutional to shame someone who is never going to offend, because X number of people who have the same conviction will offend. I think this is prohibition on bill of attainder, if I am not wrong. Nonetheless, if they can argue this constitutional it is still hard to imagine it is moral and right. Any civilised society claiming to punish all in a group because of the possible threat of repeat offense by a small minority is nothing more than a tyrrany.

Exactly but they’re finally coming around. We need another punitive win and I suspect it’s just around the corner.

Does anyone else have a problem with “Including but not limited to” of this law? what exactly does it mean? Seems like a loophole to be abused by law enforcement to me.

(3) At any place where minors frequently congregate, including, but not limited to, libraries, arcades, amusement parks, recreation parks, and swimming pools, when minors are present.

“Including but not limited to”, Hopefully this type of statement creates a vagueness in the law that will allow it to be challenged.

It has been overturned in federal court already. This is their rewrite of that law and they have kept “including but not limited to” in the new law. I think it will be overturned again.
Its a shame that they keep wasting taxpayers dollars on laws they know will not and cannot pass muster in court.

We need to get together with Canada and make tiering a priority. Their researchers are on the right track. Canada was an abolitionist country before the US. It makes them superior to us in that respect. It’s not the Canadian researchers fault that California politicians do not take all of their recommendations seriously. Hanson and his team have said in their literation that after 17 crime-free years, the risk of committing a sex crime is that of someone in the general population. They have said that the number of years in the community reoffense-free should be taken into account in registry systems. It’s not the fault of the Canadian researchers or CASOMB who support their research that California politicians, other than the few who bring these bills to the committees who are our friends, don’t support tiering with a 17 year maximum tier duration. It’s the fault of polticians like that Joel guy who votes for every restriction against registrants and the likes of people like him funded by Crime Victims United. It’s not the fault of the politicians who are our friends that they don’t initially propose the 17 year max duration because as we see, even the tiering with a lieftime category is not getting passed. That must be what is meant by incrementalism. Not all the research can be made into policy all at once apparently.

Can you explain how they got to that number and how many “high risk” individuals go on to commit another sex crime during that time?

After what their neighbor Georgia went through with their own courts and the Federal courts, I would have to say that the North Carolina Legislature may be suffer from a profound learning disability. Georgia went from having the craziest restrictions in the country to having some of the least onerous if you happen to be someone who was convicted before like 2006. Even for those still subject to some of the crazy regulations, my understanding is that Georgia totally eliminated the “internet identifier” requirement.

My question is who does this pertain to? People on probation and parole or anyone who must register? I take my kids to the library all the time and we may be moving to North Carolina next year. I’ve been out since 2007 and have never had probation or parole.

Its applies to all whose victim was under 18, and those determined by a court to be a threat to children under 18.
Date of conviction or probation or parole does not matter Wait to move until it gets overturned AGAIN.

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