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FL: Registrant Denied Access to Hospital For Son’s Surgery

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A member contacted us this week. He’s on the registry for an offense that took place over 15 years ago. He brought his son to Nemours Children’s Hospital in Orlando for surgery and was denied access at the door because of his status on the registry.

These policies that prevent former offenders from ever parenting their children are ridiculous!

When someone looks back on their childhood and reflects on the meaningful events when a parent was there for them, they think of sporting events, graduations, illnesses. Laws that banish parents from these events not only do nothing to keep children safe, but deprive their own children of a parent.

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  1. Nicholas Maietta

    If the child is in danger of dying sometimes having loved ones near them makes all of the difference in the world for their health and mental well-being. It could even mean the difference between life and death. For Christ’s sake the father is there for his child not anyone else’s. I hope he spearheads the movement to make the change needed so families can stay together.

    • New Person

      Instances like this makes registrants appear human again.

    • Harry

      For the protection of children from whom? It is different nearly 35 killed and wounded at FL High School by a nut case known by the FBI and the local sheriff whom likely placing priority harassing the homeless RC’s.

      • C

        The misplaced priorities in this country are tragic on the grandest of scales. Politicians and LE are so utterly consumed with destroying the lives of bogeymen who looked at pictures that 17 vibrant healthy lives were snuffed out by a known psychopath who gave every warning sign he would commit this atrocity.

        Way to go FBI! Way to go Floriduh!

  2. 4sensiblepolicies

    Sad and disgusting. Whoever came up with such a policy is a mentally ill person (or persons). If it were not a life and death emergency, I would not admit my child to have surgery under the care of an institution with barbaric policies. I would keep looking for a hospital that would allow me to be there near my child.

    It is difficult to fathom the anger and desperation one would feel if a tragedy occured during surgery and the parent had been barred from saying goodbye to his child. They would be wise to rethink that policy before something like that does happen.

    • Tim Moore

      I like your idea. We should not give support to institutions which terrorize us, if it is possible to save your child’s life at some more humane facility.

  3. LS

    Yes, very sad. My Nephew was in a life or death situation a few years back, and I was denied visitation rights to a hospital here in California. Each time something like this happens (big or small) to a registrant, those against us laugh, and then press on for even tighter restrictions.

    • C

      Were you denied visitation because you’re a registrant, or because you’re not a parent or caregiver? Please let us know, as this is an important distinction.
      I shudder to think of this happening here in CA. My little boy spent 4 days in the hospital a few years ago – the longest 4 days of my life – and I was with him at least 12 hours every day, tag teaming with my wife. Thankfully, I never encountered a problem and I’m not sure it even crossed my mind.

      • RC in Cali

        .org happened to me here in SoCal. My daughter had an appointment at Rady’s Childrens for a sleep study because she has severe obstructive sleep apnia. The local doctors don’t want to .com .org because she is a dwarf and very young. I took her to radys and they turned us away at the door because when they ran my ID they got a hit on zML website. I was told point blank that I was being denied soley because I was on the registry.

      • RC in SoCal

        It happened to my family here in SoCal. My daughter had an appointment for a sleep study at Radys Childrens Hospital b/c she seems to have severe obstructive sleep apnia and seems to stop breathing temporarily while sleeping. We were denied entry at the door after a check of my name (via my DL) revealed I am an RC. The nurse flat out said neither me or my wife was allowed on premises b/c of my RC status.

        • Alec

          Wait, why was your *wife* denied entry? She’s not an RC, they have no cause to do that.

        • RC in SoCal

          They denied her for two reason per the nurse. 1 she chose to be with me and so forfeited her rights in their eyes. 2 because she is wheelchair bound and would need lots of help without me there and “it not their job to help the parents”.

  4. alienated

    What is wrong with Florida that is Cruel and unusual punishment. Last time I got a Costco card I wasn’t denied human rights this is ludicrous

  5. AJ

    Reading up on the legal notion of “stigma-plus”, it would seem to apply here–with the State, not the hospital, being the defendant. According to the “plus” of stigma-plus, one only need suffer and “altered *or* extinguished” right previously granted by the State. (The stigma part–presence on ML–is a given by both sides.) Prior to the State stigmatizing him, he had a right to enter that hospital. No longer…it’s been altered *and* extinguished. That’s a liberty-interest deprivation and violation of the 14th Amendment. IMO, there are all sorts of stigma-plus lawsuits RCs could file…any job for which an RC is explicitly barred from applying for appears to meet stigma-plus. (See: https://lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/issues/44/5/Comment/Navid.pdf *)

    *This paper is good for the most part, but veers significantly–and quite erroneously–off course when briefly addressing RC registries vs. child abuse registries.

    • Only ME

      AJ,
      Health care can’t work in and i think Clinton was the one that signed into federal law

      • AJ

        @Only ME:
        I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. It doesn’t matter who signed the law, just that it exists statutorily. The statutory prohibition on health care work would appear to meet the stigma-plus criteria. Everything I’ve read in the paper and two of the cited cases (Humphries and Valmonte) point to that being a Due Process violation.

  6. Debbie

    That poor child being alone and attended my strangers of nurses and doctors without the parent present. It’s ridiculous.

  7. LS

    @C. I was denied visitation, because I am a registrant. The hospital checks the Megans Law Website, and does not allow admitance to anyone, who is on it. It never crossed my mind either, until I got to the front desk to check in, and they told me a security guard was on there way, to escort me from the building. And that was even with the childs parent (my Brother) standing there telling them that it was ok. I am glad that you did not encounter the trouble that I did…..this time.

    • C

      Wow, I’m sorry to hear that happened to you and hope it never happens to me. I’ve visited one or two hospitals since my little guy was in there, (newborns in the family), and have yet to be “carded.” When did hospitals start swiping DLs?
      Missing all of my kid’s school plays and meetings has been hard enough, but to not be able to be with them in hospital would kill me. Daddy missed the play because he had to work is bad enough. Daddy can’t be there before your surgery or when you wake up would be too much to bear.
      Will they stop us when trying to get a severely injured into the ER? Bastards.

      • LS

        @C. I am so very sorry for what you have to go through, with respect to your kids. I recently lost my job (a really good one, as a bank officer) of 23 years, because they discovered that I am on the registry (which goes back 11 years. Its possible that not all hospitals actually “swipe” drivers licenses. For me, they just asked for it, and then entered my information. Later, when I had time to think about it, I wondered what they would have done, had I told them that I do not drive, and forgot my wallet at home. Would I have been denied entrance for lack of a photo ID? I didnt see any signs stating so.

        • C

          I’ll definitely have forgotten my DL if carded at a hospital. After, all I was in such a rush to get there it slipped my mind.

          It just occurred to me that one of my employees, who happens to be an RC, has a baby due in March. Will the hospital deny him entry to be with his wife through labor and the birth of their newborn child? Should I warn him or would I just be causing undue stress in an already stressful situation?

        • TS

          @C

          Better yet, you could find out the hospital’s policy very quietly to not raise suspicion for yourself then work to change if it works against people since it does not assess the person, just judges on the circumstance.

        • C

          @TS That did cross my mind, thank you, and I’ll figure out some way to learn the hospital’s policy before the baby’s arrival.

          Thanks again.

        • CR

          If a hospital has a policy of screening visitors or family and friends of patients, they would likely ask for your name and address if you claimed not to have any ID on you, and do a registry search based on that.

  8. R M

    In 2004, my son was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and was admitted to Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP). I was in NJ, CHOP is in Pennsylvania. My PO was telling me I had to submit travel plans 10 days in advance; my son was admitted same day as diagnosed. I flat out told my PO I’m going and if he stopped me, tomorrow’s headlines would read “State denies registrant visitation of hospitalized son with cancer”. He got an emergency travel plan together in a matter of minutes. The hospital never even ID’d me (or anyone I’m guessing). However, I wasn’t allowed to stay at the hospital overnight (unless I registered the hospital as “a place where I reside” (sleep)).

    It’s very sad that private institutions think registrants are going to re-offend (with known proven recidivism statistics) and deny entry. Makes me wanna puke all over society.

  9. Tim Moore

    So this is the message I am getting from the painfully concerned public. If you are a registered citizen they don’t want you to:
    – Become a fire man and save lives.
    – Produce a play and entertain people.
    – Open a legal storefront in a busy mall
    – Support your child at school activities
    – Travel the world and expand your education
    – Be at your child’s bedside when her life hangs in the balance
    – Anything else a wholesome person might do
    In other words maintain the stereotype of the loner predator in the shadows. Stay in your criminal box, so they won’t have to stray out of their box.
    A pox on their boxes.

    • LS

      @Tim Moore. Yes, you have pretty much summarized all registrants lives to a T. I am so sad and mad, that I ever let something like this happen to me.

    • AJ

      Tim Moore:
      And yet in Smith, SCOTUS maintained that RCs “are free to move where they wish and to live and work as other citizens, with no supervision.” I hate to burst their bubble, but all the items you list counter this “live and work as other citizens” idea.

      @LS:
      Think how sadder and madder are those who were years–perhaps even decades–clear of their offense when all the sudden this retroactive law ensnared them.

  10. Michael

    How does that reasonably relate to the legitimate state interest of promoting public safety and accountability, enhance public safety and welfare, or promote a legitimate state interest or public value?

    What happens if he needs medical attention?

    ….

  11. Registries for all! 😡

    Well, thankfully they are also banning individuals convicted of drug offenses, domestic violence charges and any other history of violence.
    Oh wait, they’re not? 😮
    Of course they’re not! Only registered sex offenders who have already paid their debt to society and who have remarkably low recidivism rates! 😠

    • AJ

      Why would they want to ban drug dealers and domestic violence offenders from a place where drugs and helpless people are? C’mon, that’s crazy talk. Don’t you get that they instead need to ban someone whose feared potential acts require secrecy and/or time from a place with secured facilities and high supervision as part of its existence.

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