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Academic Study Reveals 30 States Require Visiting Registrants to Register; 22 States Don’t Remove Registrants After They Depart

Note: before you travel to another state, it is your responsibility to always read up on the latest registration regulations. Don’t depend on  secondhand studies like this. Do your research so you don’t land in jail.

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  1. nothing

    Isn’t this a ground for a lawsuit?

    • AO

      From what I gathered of various cases, our ability to travel freely isn’t “hindered” by needing to conduct more researcher on registration laws than it does to plan the entire trip. Being RC doesn’t technically bar us from traveling anywhere in the country. And jumping through hoops to do so isn’t stepping on our rights. Hopefully these sort of studies and the mess that it is will help with future lawsuits.

      • Timmmy

        However it does violated Substantive due process as there is no order from a court stating you must register.

    • PK

      There was a case in the 3rd Circuit of NY:

      June 9, 2011- Matter of Doe v O’Donnell

      • Scotus Save Us Now

        Thats a state case which doesnt look at the fact registration creates a chilling effect on the ability to travel and only congress can create laws effecting interstate travel under the commerce clause.

        In theory it would make an interesting case. Except it would have to get to scotus bc even if lets say the 9th circuit says visitors being required to register in person for visits less then 10 days and not being removrd was punishment you would need other circuits to agree or it be kinda useless.

        Also even in the original doe case they make not that in person reg was not required. Its possible that portion would violate the constitution

        • PK

          “Thats a state case which doesnt look at the fact registration creates a chilling effect on the ability to travel”

          That’s not true, this gentleman traveled to New York for a period of time for a job.

          Whether he actually established residence for a short period of time, or traveled to NY to be in NY for work for 30 days- Don’t see a big difference there.

          He then left and returned to his home state.

        • Scotus Save Us Now

          PK – The difference is, it was a state case that make the decision. not a federal one. If you can argue in a federal court, that it creates a chilling effect on travel and show registrants do not travel to certain states you have a case.

          Also, in new york the requirement is 10 days, this report appears flawed their. So if you are here more than 10 days you are considered a resident and can even apply for a NYS License.

  2. AO

    Wow! I haven’t read through this but just skimming it it looks like the travel guide most of use have been asking for. Could you possibly sticky this PDF so that it doesn’t get lost in a couple of weeks? This is incredibly helpful for traveling.

    Also, 22 states don’t remove you after that fact? And here I thought Florida and NY were the only ones like that. This will certainly restrict my traveling even more so.

    • Anonymous3

      The Author mentioned that VA was one of the states the do not remove after you leave.

      However I’m not sure how accurate this is, I was removed from VA’s Registry in 2010.

    • Will Allen

      I would not trust some static document. I would contact the state and city (!!!) where I was traveling every time. And do it in writing. You cannot talk to them on the phone and trust them. There must be proof of what they told you in writing. I e-mail when I can but if I couldn’t do that, I would send a letter. Make them work. Make them deal with their BS laws.

      Also, as an aside, do not forget that this is unacceptable. Use this as motivation EVERY SINGLE DAY to ensure that the Registries are not merely worthless, but that they are much, much worse. It is not enough that the Registries are simply useless. They must be very counterproductive. Identify people that support the Registries and do everything legal to lower the quality of their lives. Do not forget their spouses and children. That is what they do.

  3. Anonymous

    I would like to do this certain type of “cannon ball run” type car rally throuout the country which goes for 14 days and makes stops at racetracks where us participants compete. We also do breakfast & places of worship for safety prayers. I guess as an RSO, I’ wouldn’t be capable of abiding by the rules of the event if I need to go to any police station to register as this is a timed event and I then wouldn’t be able to win. Could I do the prayer services or am I “not allowed”. What other obstics would I be up against?

  4. Harry

    Author stated, “As it has just been outlined, there are some real issues that surround the policies or lack thereof in regard to registrants visiting another state. With more research in this area, it can hopefully lead to a more universal resolution that is both beneficial to the states and its citizens, as well as registrants and their loved ones.” The only “universal resolution” is get rid of the registry.

  5. JoeHillsGhost

    Some people make it a goal to visit all 50 states. I wonder if it would be possible to be registered in all 50 states. That would be an interesting accomplishment.

    • C

      Personally I’d either not stay beyond the registration grace period or just not register if I did. Be low key, keep nose clean, register hotel in wife’s name, cover your expenses in cash or prepaid debit cards, etc. Take advantage of the current era when you can still do this and and society hasn’t gone full Minority Report.

      • Will Allen

        You wouldn’t want to be driving around in any car that was Registered either. Those automatic license plate scanners will pick that up immediately.

        Today, there are thousands of ways to neutralize the Registries. But Minority Report is coming. So stay on top of how the criminal regimes are harassing the people on their hit lists and neutralize them.

        • CR

          I wonder if renting a vehicle when traveling out of state, either in your own name, or in the name of a spouse or a traveling companion, provides any significant protection from automatic identification as a registrant? If so, for how much longer?

          For our next trip out of state, I’ll have my spouse make all lodging and transportation arrangements using his name and credit card. He will also pay for all meals and expenses. But we are married, so there is a link back to me regardless. So I just wonder how effective it can be?

        • Will Allen

          CR (September 11, 2018):

          I read a lot of news regarding the “$EX offender” witch hunt, just about every day, and I have seen nothing to indicate that America has devolved so far yet that we have allowed our criminal big governments to force rental car companies to give them information about who is renting cars from them. As Americans, we should demand that no Nanny Big Government (NBG) ever be allowed to do that. We must wage war on NBG lovers.

          Having said that, I do expect that it would be fairly evident or discoverable, if not outright obvious, to a Law Enforcement Officer that a particular license plate belongs to a rental car. But you probably know that their systems are scanning every license plate that is going by. So unless there is some reason that they are looking at each plate and there aren’t that many, I can’t imagine there would be an issue. And simply seeing a rental car ought not be much of a “red flag” anyway … unless it is. So just be careful and don’t be doing anything weird.

          My spouse and I found it useful that she always have/use an address that is not the same as mine. She has a different address on everything. So she could rent a car and even the address is not tied to anything that I Register. Further, I never give the criminal NBGs any information about her. I expect they could easily find out her name, etc. if they dug around at all, but I certainly won’t give it to them. They do always ask for it. But I just ignore them.

          You probably also know that the location of your mobile phone can be found at any time. I am nearly sure that no criminal NBG can look at that location without a warrant (except that they might be able to spoof themselves as a mobile cell tower, not sure about that but that would be pretty desparate and I’d think they’d be looking for something specific). But if there was some legitimate reason (e.g. like an arrest) where an NBG wanted to look after-the-fact, I expect it would be no problem at all.

  6. Bobby

    Well apparently I missed it or can’t find it, but it supposedly says 22 states still keep you on the registry even after your done. So what state are they exactly. Thanks in advance.

    • brunello

      The list is there on page 8 of the PDF. To save you some trouble, here it is:
      Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky,
      Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, South
      Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming

      • steve

        It is so very obvious why these states continue to keep these people on even after they are gone. Inflates the number to get MORE FUNDING.

        • Harry Withearl

          Which, is fraud.

        • CR

          Maybe, but it’s not clear to me. The majority of the states are not even SORNA-compliant, and therefore lose 10% of their Byrne grant funding. What other funding does a state get based on the number of registrants?

          Maybe they get political capital with voters. Maybe they see it as a public safety benefit to add us to their registries, but see removal as an avoidable cost. I can’t really think of any other monetary reason for leaving registrants on the list after they’ve left the state.

          I suspect the real reason is to inflict punishment through perpetual shaming.

        • Will Allen

          CR (September 11, 2018):

          The more people that a Nanny Big Government has listed on their hit list, the more they can scare their constituents. And they will always, always, always use “$EX offenders” to ask for as much money as they can possibly get. Law enforcement constantly tells the people who control their budgets that they need more money. Always.

          Where I live, if law enforcement wants some new equipment or people, they try as hard as they possibly can to tie it to “$EX offenders”. For example, they begged for license plate scanners so they could find “$EX offenders in parks”. But of course they neglected to mention to their gullible public that it is not illegal at all for “$EX offenders” to be in parks and thus there was truly no actual, legitimate reason to find them there.

          Anyway, I think another reason that people are kept on the hit lists is because the people who run them are scumbags who get off on harassing people. I feel that is a key reason that a lot of people get into law enforcement and that there is something truly wrong with them. There is a thin line between most LEOs and being a criminal.

      • Bobby

        @Brunello, Thank you very much for taking the time to post all the states for me. I am surprised that Michigan is not on the list. Thank you again very muxch appreciate it.

  7. PK

    There was a news story today about how many of the area airports in DC are rolling-out the new facial recognition technology for travelers.

    As an RSO it makes you wonder, how often we will be stopped and accosted by Federal Agents while simply trying to fly-out to Florida.

    Looks like they will have the compliance for the traveling RSO down to a science, and it wouldn’t be too far-reaching to transmit our whereabouts to the Local or State Registering Agency, wherever we decide to visit.

    Just like Angel Watch!

    • Ali

      Thank you for that information. I have some idea which states are safe to stay 2-10 days without registering. But just in case, I would like someone to provide a cheat sheet for visiting each state. I am keeping myself registered to the state I committed a crime in. So I can clear my name with the minimum required and no longer have to report my whereabouts.

      • Will Allen

        I would not trust some static document (“cheat sheet”). Laws change. I would contact the state and city (!!!) where I was traveling every time. And do it in writing. You cannot talk to them on the phone and trust them. There must be proof of what they told you in writing. I e-mail when I can but if I couldn’t do that, I would send a letter. And it is good to make the people who have these laws work for them. They should be bothered as much as possible.

        But also, just because a person is not Registered in the state where the person lives does not mean that the person does not have to Register when visiting a different state. Only thing that matters is the state/county/city laws where a person is.

        • CR

          You are absolutely right(!!), Will, that being relieved of a duty to register in the state of permanent residence does not mean that a former registrant won’t be required to register in some other state. Every person who was once convicted, or who was granted a deferred adjudication, for a sexual offense will forever be subject to the myriad laws governing sex offenders in every state. You may or may not have to register in another state, but you are still subject to those laws to make that determination. The law may require you to register without regard to your current registration status elsewhere.

          For the remainder of our lives, whether we are still registered in our home state or not, we will have to research the laws of every other state or city (and probably country) that we visit to determine whether or not we are subject to a registration requirement there, or to other duties or restrictions.

          Getting off the registry in the state where you committed your crime or where you currently reside is not an FTR “get out of jail free” card. I think this point is under-appreciated by many people, so it certainly bears mention.

        • HopingForHope

          Does anyone have any idea which states require you to register as a visitor even if you are no longer required to register in your home state? That seems to be one piece of information that is missing from these reports and spreadsheets, or do we need to go to the statutes of each and every state and try to figure it out? That would be good to know.

      • PK

        Yes with this new Facial Recognition Technology, it seems more and more like RSO’s are in a Virtual Prison does it not?

        What if States decide to follow the traditions of IML and decide to turn RSO’s away from entering into their State?

        • CR

          Freedom of movement within the United States is a fundamental right. The Privileges and Immunities Clause of the US Constitution says “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”

          So no, a registrant cannot be denied entry into or egress from any state of the United States.

        • PK

          @CR

          I know you have been studying the Constitution for many years and are fully aware that freedom of movement is a Constitutional Right.

          But wasn’t freedom of movement in and out of the United States a Constitutional Right?

      • PK

        Static Document? Cheat Sheet?

        Let’s say you have a sudden death in your family, and you need to travel to California tomorrow.

        With just a few hours of notice, you are to research and then develop some type of static document?

        Who wants to live like that?

      • TS

        @Ali

        Look under the Legal tab on the top line of this website for a recent, albeit 20 mos old, matrix of each states requirements. There are state codes referenced which can be searched online. Then, double check as @Will Allen says, with the state when queried in writing. Any LEO can be presented with the state code should the registrant be questioned.

        • Janice Bellucci

          @TS – We are now working to update the chart on the ACSOL website which lists requirements for registrants who visit in another state. With luck, the update will be available in about 10 days.

        • AO

          @Janice – That’s awesome! Thank you very much for providing us with an up to date information on this.

        • TS

          Thank you @Janice Belluci for the update on the forthcoming registration and visiting info.

        • AW

          Thank you, Janice. Is it possible we could see information on the territories as well? I had actually come across this same link a few days before it was posted. I was trying to find current information for Puerto Rico (older information indicated must register within 10 days, I think, although you had to read in between the lines to come away with that). I think it would be helpful for us registered citizens to know about the more common territories (PR, US Virgin Islands, Guam) that we might want/need to travel to, if it is possible to get that information

  8. HopingForHope

    “If a registrant is stopped by a law enforcement agency, that officer has full discretion to arrest the registrant regardless of whether they knew the laws or is within the allotted number of days to register in that state.”

    Wait a minute, help me understand this. Let’s say I am travelling down the road, day one, in a state that requires registration after you have been there for three days. Let’s say I am pulled over for a broken tail light. So, even though I have been there for only one day, with two days to go before I am required to report, I can be arrested?? On what charge?

    This is huge because that means any of us, at any time, can be arrested even if we’re in compliance, just because the cop sees on his computer that we’re an RC.

    Am I reading this wrong??

    • CR

      Q: “So, even though I have been there for only one day, with two days to go before I am required to report, I can be arrested?? On what charge?”

      A: Failure to register.

      Q: “This is huge because that means any of us, at any time, can be arrested even if we’re in compliance, just because the cop sees on his computer that we’re an RC.”

      A: Correct. And it is probable that you will be booked into jail, possibly without being allowed to post bail, while awaiting arraignment.

      • HopingforHope

        Failure to register? But wait, under the scenario that I described above, remember that I am only in day 2 of an authorized three day stay before I have to report. Without any proof to show otherwise, are you saying that they essentially can arrest you on the spot, any time and anywhere, under suspicion that you COULD be out of compliance? I’m no legal expert, but before they put the cuffs on you, don’t they need some sort of “reason to believe” you are FTR status? In other words, they canl drag you into the station house until you can prove you were in compliance?? To me, that means you better have receipts and other records on you at ALL times, everywhere you breathe.

        Has this happened to anyone? I’ve never heard it go down like this, but if it has, that is deeply concerning.

        • CR

          The state resource quoted in the study said that it was up to the discretion of the law enforcement officer whether or not to arrest you for non-compliance at any time. So that is your answer, at least in regards to that unnamed state, assuming that the person who was quoted was speaking the truth.

          Why would you even doubt that they can do this? You can be arrested at any time for anything if a LEO believes he has probable cause. It may not stick in the end, but it will still ruin your life. Again.

        • Harry Withearl

          Make sure to throw all receipts away except the last one.

  9. HopingForHope

    “If a registrant is stopped by a law enforcement agency, that officer has full discretion to arrest the registrant regardless of whether they knew the laws or is within the allotted number of days to register in that state.”

    Wait a minute. Help me understand this. Let’s say I have spent one day in a state that gives me 3 days to report. I get pulled over for a broken tail light on day 2. If I read this correctly, I could be arrested because I’m an RC even though I am in compliance? On suspicion of what? Do I read this right??

    • Worried in Wisconsin

      I guess it all depends on your ability to convince the officer that you just entered the state that day or that you’re still within the grace period. If this happens while on the interstate with the car fully loaded it would be one thing, if it happened at a beachfront resort while you’re holding a cocktail it would be another. Keep some form of documentation such as fuel receipts, etc. As soon as an officer believes that you’re violated the law you’re done, and then it moves to the next level where you’ll have to prove the facts to the DA.

      As much as it can be difficult, being polite and respectful helps as well. I’ve had interactions with law enforcement at times while traveling through the country, once for a major traffic collision, and have never even had them mention that I was registered.

      • Will Allen

        With all due respect (and not your fault regardless of course), that all sounds like BS.

        If a scumbag Law Enforcement Officer pulls you over anywhere in America, I don’t think you have to explain to them anything about where you came from, where you’ve been, or where you are going. I think a person should always keep his/her mouth shut. You can be very polite and yet simply not speak to them beyond what is directly needed. I always just say, “I’m sorry but I don’t speak with law enforcement.”

        Can they then detain you? For what? Suspicion that you might have committed a crime? What crime? FTR? A burglary? Assault? What? I think if they did detain you and you had N more days before you needed to Register then you could sue them for false imprisonment.

        I think the rule that should probably ALWAYS be followed when dealing with Law Enforcement is to never speak to them.

        • Worried in Wisconsin

          You are correct that taking your course of action is within your rights. I don’t think it will get you very far though. I’m not saying that you should admit to anything, but when dealing with law enforcement being polite and courteous will get you much further. That said, telling a LEO that you don’t speak to LEOs will be seen as confrontational no matter how politely you say it.

          What could they hold you on? Simple – you show up on their system as a RSO who is not registered in their jurisdiction as they think you should be. They’ll have full authority to hold you until the facts can be worked out. If the facts are truly on your side, then a simple explanation could avoid being held.

          I understand the frustration. I’ve been dealing with this for over 15 years as I’ve traveled across the country. While on supervision I was required by my PO to check in with local police whenever I spent a night away from home even in situations where their local rules did not require this. I’ve encountered a few officers who did not have a full understanding of the rules, and wanted to scream in frustration more than a few times. Through all that though, I’ve yet to be in a situation where I didn’t walk out the door freely. Same for times I’ve interacted with LEO over the years for traffic accidents and such.

        • Will Allen

          Worried in Wisconsin (September 11, 2018):

          I hear you. You definitely ought to do what you feel is best. But I think talking to them sends a very wrong message that any of it is acceptable. It should be loudly, consistently, and always communicated to them that it is not acceptable.

          I do agree with you that, in certain situations, they might arrest you. They are criminals after all and will try to get away with about anything that they can. However, I don’t think such an arrest would be legal at all. Your mere existence is not probable cause that you have committed a crime. Frankly, I would welcome such an arrest because I do so enjoy suing them. If I could sue an individual LEO on perhaps a federal civil rights violation, it would be a dream come true.

          If a person is on probation or parole then I don’t think there is any issue with requiring the person to check in at any government location that the probation/parole officer would like. But after probation/parole ends, forget about it. F anyone who thinks otherwise, they need to get the F out of my country.

          I’ve been dealing with this for over 20 years and I was done with it 15 years ago. I’ve been making them pay ever since. Not going to stop. They are too stupid to understand that they lost this war a very long time ago and they could kill me today and still have lost. There is actually no possible way for them to come back from their losses. They will just keep adding to their casualties.

    • Lake County

      If they arrest you, they will need some evidence you were in the State too long. I see no reason anyone needs to keep evidence of their extended stay on them to be found by police. Don’t keep your receipts on you where the police might find them after an arrest or search. If you need to keep receipts during an extended stay, put them in an envelope and mail them home every day or take a picture of them and email them to yourself (remember to remove those pictures from your phone). Prepaid Visa gift cards and cash deposits can be used at most cheaper motels. Or best yet, use your traveling partner’s ID and credit cards at hotels. Most people getting charged for not registering after being in a state too long during a temporary visit get themselves in trouble by telling the police too much. Or their traveling partners may innocently say too much. I’m afraid of traveling out of CA because it’s just to easy to get violated in another state. I can’t imagine how hard and expensive it would be to get stuck in another state on a registration charge.

      This document is great to have, but I wouldn’t bet it was completely accurate especially since not all the rules are completely accurate on these State websites. (ie., CA website states that you must provide notification for out of state travel, not just international travel, which we know is not correct).

      • Will Allen

        I think you are exactly right. Everyone who is listed on the Nanny Big Government (NBG) Registries should know that they should never, never, never talk to law enforcment (LE). Not even in a casual conversation. Further, you don’t have to prove that you were not in the wrong, they have to prove that you were. Demand a trial by a judge because most Americans are literally too stupid to know the difference between their opinions and facts.

        I know there are plenty of situations where it may seem difficult to not talk to LE but I don’t think it is ever a good idea. Do not even answer yes/no questions.

        And most LEOs are scumbags. I can’t even recall all of the times that some scumbag has threatened to arrest me because I wouldn’t answer some stupid question for them. I always start out by being polite, usually saying something like, “I’m sorry but I can’t talk to you except via an attorney.” But plenty of times I’ve told them, “Go ahead and arrest me and I’ll sue you out of your home. Please do.” Haven’t been arrested yet.

        Registered People also should tell anyone that they associate with to never speak to law enforcement. My wife is a very nice person so it’s difficult for her but she knows to not even engage with them in a nice conversation. My children learned it when they were young. Now they teach it to their children. The Registries have bred generations of people who hate LE and NBG. Too bad, so sad.

        It would suck to be arrested in some other state. It would suck many multiples of times worse for me because I would have to retaliate. And that takes a lot of effort.

      • steve

        All they have to do is check the pings on your cell phone.

        • Will Allen

          Which they absolutely should not be able to do without a warrant.

          So if they’ve merely pulled you over in a vehicle, I can’t imagine that they would have enough probable cause to get such a warrant. They can’t get warrants just because they have a gut feeling. Or someone “looks suspicious”. We know that LE are criminals and that they will try to get away with what they can, but they have some limits and are often controlled by some people (i.e. judges) that at least might have some sense and morals.

          But of course if they were doing an actual investigation of a crime then I think that would be done every single time. Every person in the U.S. today should know that if you are going to commit a crime that you should not have a mobile device with you. I’m shocked any time I hear someone that doesn’t know that.

  10. Mary Davye Devoy

    On Page 7 it says Virginia does NOT remove “visiting” RSO’s from VSP SO Registry after they return to their home state, this is 100% incorrect. Out-of-state RSO’s do NOT remain on our Registry.
    If this is wrong there could be other inaccurate data so don’t consider this document to be 100% correct.

    • Will Allen

      I visited Virginia very recently and their procedure was interesting. They have a Registration help # you can call and apparently they’ve outsourced handling that to civilians. Perhaps one day they will have a “Registration Call Center” based in India or someone else cheap where our Nanny Big Governments (NBGs) can waste our tax money to support their NBG stupidity!

      I was told that a visitor did not have to Register in VA unless they were going to be there for like 30 days or around that. I didn’t worry about the exact # much because I was only going to be there for a week and it was very clear that I did not need to Register.

      But the nice lady that was helping me told me that they recommended that I “check in” with the local police “in case something would happen”. I found that to be just hilarious. Why the F would I give a squirt about that? “Check in”!? Ha ha, F them. If they can’t get one of their little “laws” written for that, F them.

      The lady was quite nice and I was being nice but I asked her a number of questions about what she was saying just so I was clear that I did not need to Register. She finally just said something like, “I’m sorry, I’m just a civilian who works here and they told us to tell people that is recommended.” Of course I told her that I didn’t give a flip about anything that they recommended. I was nice about it but she got the message very clearly. I think she completely agreed with me.

      Anyway, I can see the appeal of the Registries and why some people would think they would help. But they are through and through, idiotic social policy. A person must/should protect him/herself and his/her family from ALL of their neighbors, ALWAYS, regardless of if they are Registered or not. So it doesn’t help them at all to know if anyone in particular is Registered or not. Completely, 100% unnecessary information that does zero to improve their safety or anyone else’s.

      So the Registries aren’t needed or significantly beneficial and yet they bring HUGE problems that nearly no one fully comprehends. Pure stupidity.

      But most of the people who support the Registries are dipsh*ts. A very large percentage of them are terrible “people” who are too stupid to know that the Registries don’t work and too scummy to care.

    • E

      @ Mary: Thanks for pointing out the VA error. This report is FULL OF MISINFORMATION!!! Do NOT rely on this doc for your travels. I check the state sites for every place I visit and keep the link for each state (to easily recheck) in a draft email. Based on my recent travels I KNOW that at least a bunch of the states they included are not right. They have IL as a five day state. It’s not. Check IL state police site. Several others are wrong, too.

  11. JS

    I think this is a great starting place, but be sure to double check. This is from last year and Florida changed from 5-3 this year. Hubs and I were talking last night, that for even both of us being fairly intelligent, educated people, it’s next to impossible to figure out.
    Also what happens if we are in a 5 day state, on day 3 and he has a heart attack? I told him I’d drag him on a sled out of there if I had to, to avoid registering in another place!

  12. Mot

    Does anyone know if there are states that scan such things as airline tickets and arrivals; hotels for check in; car rentals; etc. ? I have family in FL and have been there and not had an issue since I did not get stopped; no one came to the door where I was staying?

    • Worried in Wisconsin

      Don’t know if the states themselves check these things, but I always assume that the company I’m dealing with does. Every time I check into a hotel, rent a car, or buy an airline ticket I wonder if they are running my name through a database and checking for registered status. So far so good. More and more private companies are checking though, so it’s only a matter of time.

    • GRR

      There was a guy on this site that was arrested in Las Vegas. During his trail he discovered that TSA notified the LV local police department that he was on his way there. After the 4 day notification period was up (now i believe it’s 48 hours in NV) the local police arrested him on the golf course.

      I would never go to any state and not register per their requirements. That is, if there is a trail they could track you by like you mentioned: flight, car, hotel, ATM, Credit Card etc. hell even in Reno every car that enters the city is on cameras

      All it takes is just one TSA agent, car rental salesman, hotel clerk etc. thinking they’re saving the world and your screwed. or if your in some accident, get sick, or just something that could place you in a place longer than your allowed without notification.

      I believe it’s a mandatory 3 years in prison term. that is if you cross a state line and it becomes a US Marshal arrest.

      BTW the guy did say it was the local LV department and US Marshal’s. the way he got off was to say he was moving there and he had 7 days for that instead of 4 days for visiting.

      • Worried in Wisconsin

        When I’m traveling to other states for an extended trip, especially a road trip, I will make contact with our local registration specialist here in Wisconsin. The purpose is to report the general outline of my itinerary and hopefully preempt anyone claim that I was attempting to get around the rules by staying in other states less than their minimum time for registration. Also keeps me from violating the federal rules about being away from home for more than 7 nights without notifying a reporting authority. My understanding is that one fulfills the federal rules by notifying at least one reporting authority of the intended travel.

        Is it full-proof? Don’t know. Hope to never need to find out. I view it as a CYA operation.

  13. Will Allen

    This traveling harassment is one of the most unacceptable things about the Registries. I truly can’t see how any decent, actual American thinks it is acceptable. I think that only bad people think it is acceptable.

    The poor little, helpless, NBG-dependent people who want the Registries are pathetic. If they had simply stuck to their original lies about the Registries, they might’ve had something acceptable to Americans and possibly even somewhat useful. But no! They had to be the greedy little scumbags that they are. Creating the Registries was just the start of their lies and harassment. Look at what we have today.

    The criminal regimes that have Registries should be 100% responsible for maintaining it themselves, with no requirements whatsoever for anyone to report anything to them. Then they wouldn’t have to cry and whine about how they have to depend on “$EX offenders” to give them information. Let the lazy NBG people do some actual work. They lie nonstop about how they are “monitoring” people and such. So let them actually follow some of their lies.

    Believe me, at this point, I don’t care in the slightest what information NBG wants to tell their minions about me and I care even less what they think. They can all go F themselves. But stop asking me to help you scumbags or to do anything.

  14. someone who cares

    I don’t know about everyone else here, but every time I research FTR, it seems to always say if a person “willfully” fails to register. With the millions of different laws and regulations for each State, County, City, how can it ever be really willful? Not even the LE is probably aware of the ever-changing laws.

  15. Harry

    Here is a situation: I live less than an hour from a major commerial hub, which, is in another state. Is my shopping trips to this hub considered a visit to that state?

    • GRR

      yes! most all states have an accumulative limit. I was living in So. Lake Tahoe and would go to a hiking trial just one block into Nevada almost every day. i did not no it at the time but each time you cross the state line it counts as a day. so even if you;re not there more than their 48 hr limit there is also the 4 day limit per month and not sure how many total days they allow for the entire year. I think its the same 4 days. what funny though 10 years ago in NV if you got caught with pot you went to prison. Now that they get their tax money it’s ok to get as high as you want. All of this registry bullshit is about money, power and greed. I.E. unions, politicians, and expensive cars and women.

      Hawaii – 10 days before you have to register but can only be in the state for a total of 10 days per year. thus, only 1 – 10 day vacation per year without registering. Same for New York

      • James

        RE: GRR

        I don’t believe you are correct on Hawaii…it reads:

        Visitors
        : must register w/in 3 working days if present in the state for 10 or more days, or
        an aggregate of 30 days/yr.
        §§846E-2, 846E

        So, imo, it is 10 days per trip, 30 days total per year, so there could be even four trips of 7 days each, with two days to spare.

        I could be wrong on my reading of this, or course, but I think not…10 day limit, 30 days total per year is the rule on Hawaii.

        Just trying to keep thinks straight.

        Best Wishes, James

        • GRR

          Thanks James i agree. i think i got it mixed up with some other state. Good thing they have the 10 day rule because maybe on the eleven day we turn into stranger danger dudes. Fu them.

      • Harry

        Which address should I use Costco or Walmart? Since I am returning home in CA to sleep and put my groceries away.

  16. Ali

    Nobody should take any legal advise from police if you have questions about RSO laws or about registration. Example, I reported to my “Detective, Sex Offender Apprehension and Registration Unit” officer that I was visiting Puerto Rico for a few days and he asked for my passport information. I told him I was using my DL for the trip. He took notes and said enjoy your vacation.

    It sucks that when you try to talk to somebody like police station, they ask so many questions to get your information and recommend that you to “check in” when you arrive when the current law/ few states say you dont have to. Its best that I keep mouth shut and give less information as possible.

    Anyway I am not trying to break law here from my previous post. I prefer to stay registered within my state and avoid ones that does not take you off registry right away which can affect for example international traveling.

    • AW

      Did you have any problems in Puerto Rico or have to register there? We are thinking of going there next summer, but my wife said they just adopted SORNA. How long ago did you visit?

      And did the police officer wonder how you would get into a foreign country without a passport? 🙂

      • NPS

        Puerto Rico is NOT a foreign country. It’s a U.S. territory. You don’t need a passport to go in or out. A driver license is enough. Just check the registration rules on visiting PR.

      • Ali

        The police thought it was foreign. its U.S territory which only requires only state ID.

        I was there few days, less than 10 days. did not register. no hassles or troubles, as of yet.

        P.R. Laws Ann. tit. 4, S. 536c (2010). Obligations of the persons subject to registration
        The person registered as provided in S.S. 536-536h of this title, shall notify the Police Headquarters of the jurisdiction in which he/she resides of any change in his/her temporary or permanent address at least ten (10) days before moving or in the case of a person from another country who has been convicted for a sexual crime or child abuse by a federal, military or state court of his/her country who establishes his/her residence in Puerto Rico or that because of work or study is located in Puerto Rico, although his/her intention is not that of establishing residence, and has the obligation to register, shall complete the registration within ten (10) days of his/her arrival to Puerto Rico.

        • AW

          Ali, thanks for the helpful information.

          NPS, if you actually read what people said, you would realize that clicking on legal brings you to information that was updated January 2017. I was talking about “current” information. I don’t consider 20 month old information current. And looking at the list anyways, I found that it was only for the 50 states, and not any U.S. Territory. Reading- you might want to try it.

          And please notice Ali’s cited information. What is the date on that? 2010. Even less current. But all we have to go on. Google- useless if you want to know something about your registration requirements as of 2018.

  17. Anonymous

    I’m someone who is lucky enough be off the list in my home state. I will still never travel anywhere that exceeds the day limit. I was wondering when I read visiting California, everywhere says within 5 days. Does that mean if one even spends one night there that they have to register? Even only staying for 4 or fewer days? Thanks

    • steve

      No It does not mean you have to register being here only a day. If you plan to move here yes you have 5 days to give them your address.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for your response. I totally understand the moving there thing. I am just unclear with taking a short trip to visit family, ie 4 days. The way it is worded (within 5 days) it sounds like they could say “if you stay overnight even once” then one would need to “check in”. Totally confused on wording.

    • AO

      @Anonymous, – Are you currently registered in any other state? If you’re not and you no longer need to register in your home state, then you shouldn’t worry about registration anywhere else. You’re no longer bound by it. One of the main reasons why so many of us don’t travel or adhere to strict schedules is that we want to avoid registering in any other state as many states don’t release from their registries when you leave, basically keeping you in the system regardless of your home state status. But if you’re released from it at home, then there shouldn’t be anything to compel you to register anywhere else after the fact.

      • CR

        Are you sure about that, AO? I think some states require registration for anyone with a conviction that is the same as or substantially equivalent to an offense that, if comitted in that state, would require registration.

        I could be wrong. I hope so, but I see no reason why it must necessarily be as you say.

        • AO

          @CR – I obviously can’t give you a 100% guarantee (maybe Janice can provide a brief but more authoritative yes or no answer on this) but there’s no logic to that considering that many states have been regularly releasing people from duty to register and I haven’t come across any news articles of an ex-RC being arrested after the fact for “violating” registration laws elsewhere. Obviously it’s still on your record as an enhancement should you actually commit another true offense, but that’s true for all crime. And because it’s still on your record, there have been some “mistakes” such as notification when traveling abroad. I’m sure if getting of the registry only applied to said state, we’d be hearing A LOT more about people getting arrested.

          The problem many people are running into is when they move. Either their original conviction state releases them or their new home state does, but then either the original or current state doesn’t relieve them because you’re on their books and haven’t meet the criteria of that state to get off. It’s why so many people here are cautious about registering anywhere else when just traveling.

        • HopingForHope

          Even though I am not fortunate enough to be off the registry, I decided to research this myself.
          Let me tell you, there are many states, if not most states, that will put you on their registries once you pass your allotted time to visit even if you are no longer required to register in your home state. As far as how long you’ll be on the registry in that “new” state, it depends on many factors. In 22 states, you could be on it forever. Reading the statutes, I can tell you that unless you are an attorney, you will need one to figure it out. One thing that will trip up a lot of people is how you are classified, and by this I don’t mean tiers. I’m referring to legal labels such as “sexually violent” or “predatory offender”. These words carry big meaning, and they totally vary from state to state depending on your particular offense, age of victim, other circumstances. You may not have been considered a “sexually violent” offender in your home state, but in the new state, your particular offense could fall under that legal definition and trigger 10 years, 20 years, even lifetime registration. I saw at least one state that requires lifetime registration if you came from a state that required it, even though you are no longer on it, for a long list of offenses that it labels as “predatory”. This is the big surprise that awaits everybody if Caliornia adopts tiers and people are removed from the registry. The fun just begins if you think you’re a free bird. Clearly, it wouldn’t take long before someone challenges this in court. But unless something changes, as it relates to the registering of out of staters who have convictions in other states, you will forever need to study the laws of each and every state you visit, regardless of your current status, to make sure you stay in compliance with their particular laws and avoid getting ensnarled in their registration schemes.

        • Anonymous

          I’m taking the attitude that CR has. There is the “chance” that I could go anywhere and everything would be fine, but there is always the other “chance.” I don’t consider myself a gambler, so I just assume that I still have to follow the day limit, and if I can’t I will simply not go. Not going to take any chance of being put back on. Really stinks that I can’t verify California’s visiting rules (if five days or simply one night). Guess I’ll never get to see my parents (and other family) again 🙁 Hate this crap.

        • Chris

          I would assume that if you were in a SORNA compliant state and got released from registration via court order that duty to no longer register would be in effect if you were traveling and visited another SORNA compliant state.

          The tricky part would be Non-SORNA compliant states which might have differentiating laws.

        • AnotherAnon

          One argument could be Full Faith and Credit Clause.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause

        • Mr. D

          @HopingForHope – all the more reason for each RC to try and attempt to obtain a 1203.4 if eligible to do so in California. That way if you are relieved of the registration requirement starting in 2021 you should not have any worries or issues traveling anywhere within the United States, and hopefully the rest of the globe.

      • Will Allen

        I don’t think that is correct at all. A state can have a law that says “If you committed crime X, you must Register if you come in this state” and nothing further than that. Doesn’t matter if you have to Register in any other state or not.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for all the discussions regarding this. A few years back (when I was still on) a friend of without really asking me and my wife booked a reservation for us at DisneyWorld. I don’t think there is a day that goes by that I don’t thank the Good Lord that He gave me the insight to cancel that right away. I would have been screwed right now if we went. The only real issue I’ve had was with Hawaii. If I had realized what they would do, I would have gone under 10 days, or simply waited until I was off. The problem was after I returned home, they would keep sending me “forms” to fill out. So I was essentially registering until they heard from my home state. I had to wait until I physically went in for my “yearly” and then my state could tell them they physically saw me. Thankfully it stopped after that.

          Ever since, I’ve stuck to basically traveling under day limits. I was not going to get myself into that mess again. Thankfully, there are a handful of states that give definite day limits, and some are reasonable number of days, guess I’ll stick with them. Thanks again for all your help.

        • AJ

          I agree with @Will Allen and @CR, and disagree with @AO and possibly @AnotherAnon. Being released from one State’s RC requirements has no bearing on the laws of another State. Think of it in the same light as voting rights. In CA, a felon can still vote, but move to any number of other States, and that right is lost.

          If Full Faith and Credit applies, then one cannot be subject to *any* RC laws other than those of the convicting State. That’s clearly not how things currently run…but is that because FF&C doesn’t apply, or because it’s never been (successfully) challenged? I know of no cases where a migrated RC has challenged FF&C. Equal Protection, yes; Full Faith and Credit, no. In truth, I believe the chaos created by a FF&C win would do serious damage to the RC schemes and laws. It would be impossible for a LEO or State to know what laws a migrating or transient (as in non-resident) RC must follow. I would posit that having a State law follow you as a migrant or transient would also be an illegal extrajurisdictional act by a State. (Clearly this is already occurring in, at least, WI and NY where registering is required regardless of residency.) From what I’ve come across in a casual search, extrajurisdictional acts and powers of a State have never been clearly or properly decided by any court. Common sense would say that once one is no longer a resident of and/or conducting any sort of commerce within a State, that State’s laws cease to apply. But since when does common sense apply in law??

        • AO

          @AJ, that sounds insane! I can’t imagine the vast majority of RC’s are aware of this and I’m sure are “violating” these laws every day once they think they’re free from the registry. I certainly wouldn’t have even remotely considered this possibility had it not been for this very discussion. Why aren’t we hearing about these cases (there must be some, right?) or it being brought up here as a very serious issue?

        • AnotherAnon

          @AJ, you can disagree with me, of course, but there isn’t much to disagree with. The Full Faith and Credit Clause was merely a thought typed out after being inspired by the thread. I haven’t researched it at all and wouldn’t advise testing it with an arrest. I’m tempted to find a law review article or two or three to see if there are cites to any cases close to on point. Then it would be necessary to Shepardize them. Then an argument might develop. To anyone that hasn’t heard of this:

          https://www.wikihow.com/Shepardize-a-Case

          As to your point about the entire RC registry being illegal, no, because they are statutes that states would have to recognize. Once a court grants removal in California, however, then that could be a judgement that would carry more weight, if I read wikipedia right, lol. For example, does a expungement in one state remain expunged in another state, or can the expunged conviction be counted as a conviction/prior in the new state?

        • Tim Moore

          AJ, interesting analysis. Maybe that is why we don’t hear about too many cases of incidental failure to register. The ones I always hear about are extreme violations, living in another state for an extended period of time without registering, for example, or there is another crime committed with the FTR. It may just draw a challenge that can weaken or destroy the registry if it is used for prosecuting people for FTR while on family vacations or business trips?

  18. Tim Moore

    How do you find out requirements for registering when visiting Indian reservations? Do they use the same requirements of the state they are in or make their own?
    I would go to the text of the law in each state, instead of calling someone in some police station for advice. Like they have told me at my sheriff’s office, they will tell you it is safer to just notify them anyway, “just in case”, like they told Will Allen. Or else you may get whatever info they can trump up on the spot. They play with you for entertainment. What could is more soul crushing than to be an employee of the registry? You can’t even honestly pretend what you are doing is in the public welfare. It’s a lie. Your job is a lie. They are not required to tell you the law but the lie.
    I will try to obey the law, not the lie, but I will not volunteer anything or ask questions of them anymore. They (law enforcement) look at you when you ask any questions as if you are trying to get information to somehow skirt the lie.
    To them it is necessary we remain the “criminal”. Even if the reason for travel is business or just to enjoy a trip with the love of your life, you’re somehow doing it for criminal purpose. That is necessary to support the lie and justify the job. Life itself for us is criminalized. They don’t all see us that way, but it is hit or miss knowing who to trust. It’s a culture. More and more they all sound the same, reading from the same script. Not worth it.

    • Harry

      Here is an interesting point, concerning Indian Reservations, my city has “Indian Land” within the city limits and this land has the same covering as a Reservation, thus the “Tribe” provides for the security on this land.

      • Tim Moore

        Yeah, the Navajo Nation looks like it spans four states. They are in mountain time, but they can choose whether they follow daylight savings time or not like a state can. There are several national monuments on their land and they run them jointly with the park service. Several state counties overlap their territories. I wonder who is responsible for screwing the registants? Guess I will look that up. Have passed though reservations before. Didn’t know alcohol was prohibited. Wondered why they didn’t have wine in the stores.

        • TS

          Tribal lands are sovereign to them and under their control for LE, e.g. visit and residency laws for registration. They’re encouraged to become SMART compliant for USG money and many are as noted on the SMART website.

        • Will Allen

          TS (September 13, 2018):

          No one should ever referred to “SMART” as “SMART”. We need an appropriate, disrespectful, derogatory term for those criminals. I think “NOT-SMART” would be good. I have to think of the terms to make the acronym “NOT”. Maybe some fun activity for later ….

  19. HopingforHope

    “There was a guy on this site that was arrested in Las Vegas. During his trail he discovered that TSA notified the LV local police department that he was on his way there.”

    Does this mean TSA is now notifying state authorities at our destination? How does that work? Shall we expect to be questioned at our departing airport, and what if you plan to move around from place to place while in the destination state during your alloted time? Will they call us when our time is up, and you better be gone?

    • TS

      I am finding it hard to believe TSA would notify LVPD or Clark County Sheriff of one registrant who is heading to LV, NV. Does TSA even have 1) the time to do that given the needs of their job or 2) it in their job description (don’t tell me other duties as needed either)? From McCarron Airport, LV, NV, you could go to CA, AZ, and UT rather quickly to be out of state before stepping in NV any more than is needed to exit the state before returning to fly out, if they are flying out of NV.

      • steve

        I could see it if he had a warrant.

      • David Kennerly is Frightening and High

        TS, If true, i.e. that TSA is keeping track of the domestic comings-and-goings of Registrants and notifying state authorities, then that would be disturbing. It does seem unlikely and another bit of apocrypha that will serve to put us at greater unease but, who knows? It would be good to find and to verify the original citation. Source???

        • Joe123

          I am willing to bet there is some important detail missing from this story which explains why there was so much attention on him.

          There are 900,000 registered citizens. I am sure at least 100,000 travel regularly. Wouldn’t we hear about this on the news all the time if people were flying and getting arrested for overstaying? You know they would make this National News in this screwed up country. Since I can’t even find a single news report about this, I doubt people are getting arrested for this regularly.

        • GRR

          Hi Joe123

          Yes I agree there was maybe more to the story and it’s not an every day occurrence. But the fact is when TSA or any law agency swipes your ID it tells them you are 290. With this i would not take the risk staying anywhere more then the allotted days without registering – which now i will never register anywhere except here in Cal. I was just saying for people taking risk it’s not worth it.

          It seems far fetch but i did read it on this site. it was a comment under a heading. the guy seem legit romeo/Juliet 25/16 still married i think he said for 30 plus years with grand kids. not trying to spread fear we have our elective officials for that.

          My guy feeling it’s just a matter of time before the feds come up with this type of law. it’s been a nightmare the past 30 years. Still keeping hope for changes soon though!

        • PK

          @David
          “f true, i.e. that TSA is keeping track of the domestic comings-and-goings of Registrants and notifying state authorities, then that would be disturbing”

          This is part of the reason why I had brought up the fact about how more and more airports are rolling-out facial recognition technology for even domestic passengers.

          They even mentioned that in the future, this technology will replace the boarding pass.

  20. HopingForHope

    I have a client that wants to me to visit several of their plants in several states. I will have to drive it, but I will also have to go through around 6 or 7 states. These spreadsheets are good for general guidelines, but once you dig in to the individual state statutes, they start throwing around definitions like “sexually violent predator”, “violent offender”, “sexual predator”, etc. No lay person can read these statutes and possibly understand what category you are in because there are dates, exceptions, exceptions to the dates, exceptions to the exceptions, there are paragraphs, sub-paragraphs, references to other laws that impact the requirements that need to be researched, it’s endless. I cannot afford to pay an attorney to pour through all of this. And that doesnt even include any counties or cities that might have their own laws. I will be driving through many, many dozens of those along the way. I cannot say no. This is my living, and it is how I support my family. Telling my boss no would be grounds for dismissal.

    This is total insanity. How can we possibly be expected to know? You truly need to be an attorney to sort it out. Would a judge really look at someone with a straight face and sentence somone for violating some technicality that no lay person could readily interpret? “You should have known this particular law”. REALLY??

    First day in prison.

    CELLMATE: “Watcha in for?”

    ME: “Oh, I was on a business trip, and found out that because I crossed the corner of a particular state, and then travelled through it again on the way home, I found out that parts of a day counted towards consecutive days, even though the reporting office was closed on Saturday and I wouldn’t be there Monday when it re-opened, and the statute was unclear whether weekends counted because it couldn’t determine if I was an “offender” or a “predator” because the law had been changed in 2011, and I couldn’t tell if it was retroactive or not because of a recent court ruling I read somewhere that called it into question.”

    Has anyone ever been involved in a situation in which they were questioned by LE or arrested, on a trip out of state, because of a legal technicality that they SHOULD have totally understood?

    I ask this, because usually when a RC is arrested, it makes news. I have looked and looked and looked, and I don’t see anything on Google in which a RC was arrested because of a technicality in the law, that anyone could have been confused about, that they should have understood. The only news reports I see revolve around flagrant violations, ie, failing to give notice when you move, working at a school, staying somewhere for a considerable time without notification, stuff like that. Those are obvious and we all understand those. But what this tells me is that there are many of us going about our lives and simply not worrying about it because we have families to feed, parents to care for, etc.
    Maybe I’m just ignorant about all of this, but even if I researched this crap all day long I STILL would not feel confident that I had crossed all of my i’s and dotted my t’s. So, other than stuff that we all know is obvious, why bother?? We probably won’t be right because most of us are not attorneys, and cannot afford this kind of assistance.
    All you can do, it seems to me, is print out the spreadsheets that this organization and others have been generous enough to provide for us, take it with us so at least we can show someone we TRIED, and then pray.

    This is no way to live.

    • AW

      I feel your pain. It’s obvious from your post that you get how ridiculous this is, and traveling with our status requires some level of hoping that we aren’t afoul of some technicality that some dumb cop and/or judge is going to use against you for no reason other than making your life miserable. I wish I could help, but I’ve found Google as useless and undefinitive as you have. I’m lucky enough to live close enough to a lawyer who specializes in our situation to consult before travel that doesn’t charge usual lawyer rates. But we all need something to help us with this.

  21. Harry

    I wonder what is the difference with this and probation or parole?

    • Will Allen

      I assume you are being facetious.

      But regardless, I see a few key differences:

      1. This is not acceptable to Americans but probation/parole travel restrictions are.

      2. A probationer/parolee must ask for permission to travel and Registered People (RPs) do not.

      3. A probationer/parolee can be required (by a probation/parole supervisor (who may be stupid and/or insane)) to do all kinds of various things while traveling (e.g. check in with a law enforcement agency at random locations along the route).

      This traveling harassment should remind RPs to be committed to retaliating. Every single time an RP must spend even 1 second dealing with Registration problems/issues/activities (even writing a comment such as this!), the RP needs to cost a criminal regime (or regimes) and/or the criminals that support them, something tangible in time, money, effort, peace, or other resources. Take from them. Make them pay. Do not forget to retaliate for the effort taken to retaliate either.

  22. Will Allen

    I like the note that was added to the beginning of this article/post (i.e. “Note: before you travel …”).

    But, I would do more (and I do) than just read the laws where I intended to visit. I would contact them in writing and ask them what their laws are. Tell them what you think the laws are and ask them to confirm it in writing. If they are confused about your situation, send them court documents that document what you were convicted of, when, etc. Send them case law from their own jurisdictions. Personally, I’ve always gotten a response back.

    If they do not respond back, expand the number of people to whom you are communicating. Include the city attorneys, the city council, and their mayor. Do the same at the county and state levels. Remember though, to give them as much time as possible to respond. They are busy. But you can resend the request perhaps (eventually) once per week to help them remember.

    I have personally done this same type of communication with the criminal regimes where I live, for numerous Registration questions/issues. Most of them were related to something other than travel, but it is the same. I have had Nanny Big Government (NBG) employees respond back to me with answers that did not match the law but were instead just the answers that they wished/fantasized were true. That requires you to teach them the law and of course include everyone who is higher up the food chain than they are.

    I have always been able to get their position/beliefs in writing. I’ve also been able to get my local criminal regimes to stop committing some of their crimes. For example, I’ve gotten them to stop forcing people to give information that was OBVIOUSLY and CLEARLY not required by law. That is, I got them to stop intentionally operating outside of the law (i.e. stop committing crimes).

    I think these criminal regimes should have to deal with their Registration laws on a daily basis. It’s good to keep them working on stupid things instead of something useful. They should like it though because it gives them more excuses to keep NBG big and grow it bigger.

    Lastly, don’t forget to retaliate for all the time, effort, etc. that it requires to keep the criminal regimes in line.

  23. Mot

    How many people have actually been detained or arrested for just being in a location beyond the limits ? Are there really authorities who are running around looking for us?

    • Janice Bellucci

      @Mot – You have asked an interesting question, that is, how many people have actually been “punished” because they violated state registration laws when they visited a different state than the one in which they reside. I don’t know the answer to that question and hope others will respond. I can envision possible scenarios in which a registrant could be detected such as a traffic stop, emergency room visit or even victim of a crime such as a drive by shooting. ACSOL strongly encourages everyone to abide by all registration laws including the laws in states they visits. We also understand that it can be difficult to determine what the laws are and that is the reason we provide information on this website which can serve as a starting point for everyone’s research. As stated a few days ago, we are in the process of updating our chart that lists registration laws for visitors. The update should be available soon and will permanently reside under the “Legal” tab on the home page of this website.

      • HopingForHope

        “ACSOL strongly encourages everyone to abide by all registration laws including the laws in states they visits.”

        This is really the best advice we can get, for now. I can envision a scenario where California might start re-thinking the Tiered registry law if they start hearing a bunch of reports of RC’s getting pinched for violating reqistration requirements. Compliance will send a message that were are not the threats to society that everyone thinks we are when our time finally comes. Perhaps there is even some data on that which could be used when they start lobbying again next year. All you hear on the news is the bad stuff. What about the good stuff?
        Just my two cents worth.

    • Lake County

      It has been reported in the past that some motels in bad neighborhoods do provide police with a list of guests each night. That would likely make the police keep their eye on how long you are staying in the area. If they have evidence that you’ve stayed too long without registering, I would expect they would make an arrest. If it saves just one child….

    • Tim Moore

      It doesn’t matter either way. The idea is for us to not be sure of anything. Are they looking? Are the not? If you spend so much time thinking about how you could be caught, they did their job. The goal is to keep us thinking all the time about being caught. With being caught always on our mind, we won’t molest anyone, that is their reasoning. That way we are afraid to move anywhere or do anything wrong. Bingo. We are “contained” with the least amount of actual effort on their part.
      Now we have to worry about how our actions might threaten the tiered registry bill? OMG. Don’t panic.

      • R M

        @ Tim: “The goal is to keep us thinking all the time about being caught. With being caught always on our mind, we won’t molest anyone, that is their reasoning.”

        That may be their reasoning but why? Recidivism rates were lowering even before all these crazy laws. The answer to my own question is MONEY. It has nothing to do with making people safer… period.

  24. HopingForHope

    ….and like Janice, I would love to hear the story of anyone who has been detained, arrested or charged for a technicality while visiting, not moving, to another state. By “technicality”, I would be referring to some aspect of the law that is not readily apparent to a non-legal layperson (which is most of us). Like I stated earlier, I have looked and looked and looked on all the search engines for a such a news report, and cannot find one, and I think it is accurate to assume that the police report (if there was one) would definitely have been picked up by the press, which clearly feeds on this stuff.

    • AO

      @Hope, It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that police suppress such reports. Initial news of an arrest rarely makes national news unless it’s something very extreme. Usually it’s the local paper, and then possibly going viral. But police often ask for papers not to run certain stories for various reason. I can totally see someone being arrest on a technicality for otherwise completely lawful activity being a thing the cops wouldn’t want advertised. Even with the hate people have for RC’s, I doubt many would support someone being arrest because the guy stopped off with his wife and kids at a local park on their way to see grandma. But I’m still with you that given how many of us there are, and that RC’s still travel, and many are released from registration to boot, that if there were arrests being made for things like that that there would at least be some evidence of it.

      Really the closest thing I can recall regarding this was a story on this website. It was a man who no longer had to register. But he was arrested for being in a park because the city (I believe this was city specific, not state) said him no longer needing to register wasn’t relevant. However, I don’t believe the prosecution went anywhere, and as a result, the man now wears a pin-hole camera on him in order to record everything in case he gets harassed like this again. At least that’s what I recall. Maybe someone can dig up that story and/or it’s follow-up, if one exists.

      • HopingForHope

        Good point, but I believe once a police report is filed, it cannot be surpressed unless by a judge. I could be wrong, but this is how local communities get their blotter news. Then, as you say, it goes viral because anything involving an RC makes good headlines, and sells papers.

  25. mike r

    I am going to have to look into this more about other state registration laws applying even after release from registration in their home state. I know there is language in many laws or states that state “if a person is registrred in any other state then such and such applies” but laws or states that do not have such language I will have to research. Aj, you’re pretty bright, what’s your opinion and what’s your research tell you? I know you pointed out some inkling to what you think but I think we all need to put more thought and research on this and maybe even come up with a solid argument for when this issue comes into play.

    • Will Allen

      Do people really think that a state cannot simply have a law that says, “If you have been convicted of crime X, then you must Register if you come into our state.”? Why would that not be possible?

      In Georgia (a state where I Register), their main Registration law is (Code section) O.C.G.A. 42-1-12. Code subsection 42-1-12(e) says:

      “Registration pursuant to this Code section shall be required by any individual who:”

      That is followed by a numbered list (Code paragraphs) of whom it applies and #7 says:

      “Is a nonresident sexual offender who enters this state for the purpose of employment or any other reason for a period exceeding 14 consecutive days or for an aggregate period of time exceeding 30 days during any calendar year regardless of whether such sexual offender is required to register under federal law, military law, tribal law, or the laws of another state or territory; or”

      The full reference to that paragraph of the law is 42-1-12(e)(7). You can read all Georgia laws in LexisNexis at http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/gacode/Default.asp. You can find 42-1-12 at https://advance.lexis.com/api/document/collection/statutes-legislation/id/5STN-BBP0-004D-84C6-00008-00?cite=O.C.G.A.%20%C2%A7%2042-1-12&context=1000516.

      • HopingForHope

        This was the point I was trying to make earlier. Most states, based on my research, are similar to GA. The prospect of renewed registration will hang over your head for life, even if you are no longer required to register in your home state. This is another reason why this needs to be challenged in court because these laws will never change, and if anything, will become more restrictive. In fact, if your offense is considered more serious in the state you visit versus where you came from, you could potentially face a much longer period of registration than you did in your home state. The logic of all of this totally escapes me, but the statutes are clear, as you have shared.

        • Will Allen

          Exactly. The people living in America have allowed big governments to say, “If you have ever committed a crime, but ONLY if it involved $EX, then we are enabling and encouraging thousands upon thousands of governments all over the country (and world even) to pass ridiculous, immoral, anti-factual, anti-American ‘laws’ in the future that will affect you, your spouse, and your children, in ways that you will not know about and will forever need to research and worry about. And we would love for governments to arrest and imprison you.”

          Any person who supports that or allows it is not an American and deserves a bullet between the eyes. They are enemies of all good Americans. They are terrorists. They are enemy war combatants. It is simple to me.

          I don’t even care about the “renewed registration” as you put it. These criminal regimes can list me on any web site or whatever that they like. Don’t give a flip. A lot of the reason for that is because once you are listed on any significant web site, that can be discovered forever. So it doesn’t matter much if you were listed and aren’t any longer. The only thing I really care about is these criminals “requiring” me to do anything at all. They won’t let me live in peace. I won’t let them live in peace. It hasn’t been worth it for them and it won’t be.

          I am not on probation or parole. Have not been for nearly 2 decades. These “laws” are unacceptable. I will continue to make people pay dearly for them.

  26. mike r

    Yep need a federal court pushing the court to order unconstitutional on a federal level, which would effect every jurisdiction of that court, like the 9th which includes many states. Until we get a case in front of SCOTUS I imagine if I win in the 9th it will only apply to that jurisdiction such as CA, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, AZ, ect. I am going to press the issue and see what the court states about other jurisdictions. Same with IML and federal SORNA.

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