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Janice’s Journal: Pedophiles Deserve Death Penalty

The son of Rev. Billy Graham, Rev. Franklin Graham, declared on National Public Radio this weekend that pedophiles deserve the death penalty. He also declared that we are a nation of laws.

Not only is Rev. Graham’s first statement outrageous, it is undermined and contradicted by his second statement. Why? Because the laws in many states do not include the death penalty. Furthermore, most of the 31 states that do have a death penalty law do not apply that law to an individual who is convicted solely of a sex offense.

It is noteworthy that Rev. Graham made this outrageous statement during an interview that was not on the topic of either pedophiles or the death penalty. Instead, the topic of the interview was advertised as an evangelist’s view of President Donald Trump.

It is also noteworthy that Rev. Graham’s views on pedophiles appear to be based upon a common mistake. That is, he appears to believe that the term pedophile is synonymous with the terms sex offender, child molester, sexual predator, etc.

It is a mistake made by many people who should or actually do know better including at least one Superior Court judge in Long Beach, California. That judge, in fact, declared in a public court hearing that all of the terms were synonyms. He then added that if he asked 10 people on the street, 9 people would have agreed with him. He also said that all such individuals are monsters, they always do it again and there is no cure.

An important question for society is why educated individuals, including but not limited to, ministers and judges feel comfortable making such outrageous statements in very public places. The answer may be that those who know the truth — that pedophilia is a medical diagnosis and not a crime — are afraid to speak out.

Another important question is why educated individuals would advocate the death penalty for someone diagnosed with a medical condition. Do they advocate that individuals diagnosed with other medical conditions such as cancer and diabetes also deserve the death penalty? Of course not! Instead, they advocate for adequate medical care and attention. It’s time to speak out on this important topic.

It’s time to speak truth to power. You can do so by writing toRev. Franklin Graham at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, 1 Billy Graham Parkway, Charlotte, NC 28201 or calling him at (704) 401-2432.

Click here to listen or download to the radio broadcast

His comment is at 10:00 in the downloaded recording

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  1. hostage in texas

    My, my. How Christian of him. What a hypocrite!

    • Joe123

      Nothing unexpected here. It’s just religion. Brainwashing of the masses.

      The double standards in Christianity, and Catholicism is a JOKE. People these days must have Zero critical thinking skills. You’re going to follow a religion that discriminates yet teaches compassion for ‘All’? You’re going to follow a religion in which the ‘holy priests’ rape little boys while you condemn to hell a random sex offender?

      Uneducated/stupid (whichever adjective you want to use) mentality like this is a big part of why we as a society have so many issues; ZERO critical thinking skills and it’s only getting worse with mind-numbing brainless entertainment and social media.

      • Timothy

        Normal human sexuality is ill defined and complete abstinence is a notion unhealthy to man. It’s always the evangelical right who produce the fallacy of absolute denial of plain natural need and health in their various canons. Homosexual priests abuse the young males in their flock. Desperation for human contact, sometimes revered to as soon hunger, plays a large role in their aggression. Where is that carnal aggression coming from?????????? The inhumanity of religious riggor in absolute denial. A priest is no different than any other man, when the rocks pop, it’s done. When boys and men are not getting the sexual needs met, they go haywire, thus J.C. WASHED THE FEET OF WHORES PUBLICLY!

      • sean


        omg! I couldn’t have said it better. Thank you!

    • Bill

      I’m a born again Christian and Franky is not doing the faith any good going off half cocked. I remember back in the 80’s when these clowns who called themselves men of Giod would point their hypocritical fingers at people and by the end of the 80’s they themselves got outed for far worse things. And Ozzy Osbourne did a song called Miracle Man.

    • Aman

      This is just one example of how truth is trampled into the ground for the sake of social popularity. The word “pedophile” is handed out like a party favor. According to the actual definition, the majority of sex offenders do not meet the criteria for such a broad and everlasting label. Janice makes a very good point. How is that highly educated people who “should” know better continue to spread hateful misinformation to all. I think the main reason for the flood of negative “opinions” is our wonderful media. Laws in this country are being passed based on emotion which is fueled by the never ending onslaught of sex based crime dramas on television, and those disgusting posts of hate on social media that have never spoken the truth. How can a “man of God” be so full of hate and ignorance, and so empty of forgiveness without even trying to learn the truth of what he speaks?………

    • Mr. B

      Mr. Graham seems to be touting the new party line for the Republicans especially in states like Alabama and Tennessee.
      However, what is disconcerting is the fact this idea he, Mr. Graham, proposes, death penalty for sex offense, has already been litigated twice before the US Supreme Court Washington v. Kennedy (2012) I believe being the most recent.
      What is more disconcerting is that no lawyer, that I am aware of, has ever taken the case I mentioned and applied it to post incarceration treatment in respect to parole for murder and registration for an offender. The language used by the justices in this case clearly defines that murder, and those who commit murder, are to be held to a much higher punishment than any other crime. Yet upon release from prison the murderer is held to a totally different, easier, set of rules than a sex offender.

  2. AO

    “Do they advocate that individuals diagnosed with other medical conditions such as cancer and diabetes also deserve the death penalty?”

    To an extend, yes, yes they do. Many people, particularly those deep in religion, still believe being gay is wrong and fully support “conversion therapy” or worse. I wouldn’t expect them to be any more enlightened when it comes to pedophilia as a diagnoses, let alone an actual conviction. I still constantly run into user comments that re-offending is super high and people can’t be rehab’d. Even worse, is when I see law makers spout these lies either out of ignorance or malice.

    Until we can have all lawmakers actually acknowledged all the evidence (studies) that pretty much everything pertaining to sex offenses as “common knowledge” is wrong, I don’t expect more from those that don’t actually have the power to make laws that kick us out of our homes.

  3. Eric

    Jesus would be so proud of the compassion the noble Mr. Graham keeps in his heart.

  4. Facts should matter

    Graham Jr. is not an authority on this subject, but that didn’t stop him from using his bully pulpit to exploit unwarranted fear in an attempt to appear relevant! Another “Christian” hypocrite exposed.

  5. Timothy

    Please let’s us no longer ignore the regime’s intention to move the country toward the ultra-right. Let us not confuse where the first large database infrastructure was erected in a state well known for its religious conservatism. Those folks think sex is solely reserved for the marriage bond. IMLs ANGEL WATCH is housed in the same facility.

    Michigan’s legislature has not moved at all in the two years since the ruling, why?
    They stuck up against the deep state who desires continued unfettered USE of the databases.

  6. AnotherAnon

    There is no way to leave a message so I hit 1 and spoke to the poor lady accepting spiritual request calls. She was taken aback when I said, “I wish to leave a message for Mr. Franklin Graham. He should get some education before wanting to kill people.” I had to repeat it. The poor woman was flabbergasted. I bet she is on a rotating list to receive calls for spiritual guidance (that probably usually ends with a request for a donation).

  7. Robert Curtis

    As a recently ordained minister I have different view on the registry and on the death penalty. This video message puts things into perspective:

  8. ThoughtAsWeak

    It appears to me that Rev. Graham hasn’t read his bible. Yes that we are all sinners, to look at a woman with lust is just as sinful as the act of adultery…He would also know that We are all saved by Grace. Not some, but all who choose to accept that gift of grace.

    I think he also forgot about the story of Joseph, who was accused of rape. There are many sex offenders in the Bible, whom God used. Yep, I don’t think he had read his Bible. I am thinking he is more like one of the Pharisees that Christ rebuked.

    • T

      @ ThoughtAsWeak
      You know in the Jacob story when Dinah was seduced by Shechem son of Hamor? In that story she was seduced by Shechem, and when her brothers heard about what happened, the brothers were furious and took vengeance of putting the town of Shechem in the inhabitants to destruction all for what happened to Dinah.

      • Henry


        I have no idea who you are, but you sound just like the Bible Thumping Alt Right! Your point is WRONG. So let me school you….

        The laws (Israelite law) says in Deut 22:28 and Exod 22:15 that a person who has sex with a woman who is not betrothed to man (or seduced as discribed in Exod 22:15), that man (perpetrator) will pay a price of so many shekels. That’s the end of the story. He pays money. Period.

        Now Jacobs son’s did not like the fact that Shechem was not from the Israelite tribe, and so they killed him instead of taking the Sheckels which Shechem and Hamor DID pay. It was because of prejudice and not rape that Sheckem was murdered. The Torah does not have a word for “rape” so you just believed your pastor or some other Christian writer and ASSUMED Sheckem did something wrong. How Christian of you.

      • Harry

        That is the Old T, before ‘Age of Grace’. Jesus said “I do not condemn you, go and sin no more” and “If you can not forgive you are not forgiven” and “What you do unto the least of these, you have done unto God”

  9. Tim Moore

    I assume he believes God created pedophiles, because didn’t God create everyone? So, God created pedophiles just to be killed. Sounds like Mr. Graham is crazy, not misinformed.

  10. D

    I agree that the terms are not synonymous, but we should be specific in our calling pedophilia a disease and say that is a disease that people would like to be cured of. If we are going to compare it to cancer we should be fighting just as hard to find a “cure”. Many Christians hear it called a disease, and think that is just us saying that it is ok to be this way, and at some point in the near future when that is acceptable, there will be a push for “if they are born this way, why should it be wrong”. They remember when being gay or transgender was a disease “just like cancer” but now they are celebrated. My point is not that being gay or transgender is bad, my point is that we should try to understand where people, who are so misinformed are coming from, and then work to alleviate those fears and show them the truth.

  11. Roger

    The good news is it was hard to find this info. The only place online I could see was to listen to the actual interview. Thankfully no other media, I think, has picked up on it.

    You can download the recording here:

    Skip to 10:25 for his comment: “I now believe that pedophiles need to be dealt with very harshly, I believe not only incarcerated, if they molest a child, I think, they would be probably accounted for the death penalty. You do not under any circumstances as an adult force yourself on a child. I mean that gets me mad.” (interviewer goes back to the family separation and immigration issue).

    Consider the psychology and feeble spiritual state of American White Evangelical “Christians”. As their population shrinks, they have chosen to be driven by fear rather than follow the mandate God gave them, which is to reach out in love to others and change their hearts. Instead they prefer to use the easy way of using politics and law to force people to act in ways they want.

    Today’s Evangelicals prefer to hide in their confortable bubbles of church activity. They are easy prey to be manipulated by politicians and Religious Parisees like Graham, clicking on the Donate Buttons and Sign Petition buttons in emails that scare them into isolation.

    Someday White Evangelicals will experience a backlash for their extremist actions today. It will be interesting to hear their whining when they are on some kind of registry.

    • Gralphr

      American Christianity has never been about love nor has this country ever forgave anyone (other than white supremacists). Even now, Jim crow 2.0 and modified nazi laws have been enacted and enforced off of lies which the government could care less since it gets more power and control. There is zero reason for any sex offender to like this country.

    • Timothy

      THE STORY OF FRAN & DAN KELLER ! They were absolutely FRAMED
      by folks just like Mister Graham. He’s got no monopoly on God.

    • Harry

      Bingo Roger, “It will be interesting to hear their whining when they are on some kind of registry.” What Christians in this country do not realize this will be at their doorstep soon, as many here consider the church as a hate group and if, curtain radical religious group, whom hate Christians with a passion, gets a foothold here, facing the death squad will be the norm. as it is in Syria, NK and Iran, as I speak.

    • Arlo

      Roger, not “probably accounted for”, but “a candidate for”.

  12. Cantucci

    Biblical scholars estimate that Mary was 13, 14 tops when she gave birth to Baby Jesus. Making Joseph a pedophile / sex offender of the worst kind. Unless, of course, you think that the Bethlehem PD bought that whole Immaculate Conception tale. Yeah, right. He he.

    Which makes one wonder if things went down in that manger because of residency restrictions or the cancellation of the family’s Airbnb account.

    Regardless, the SCOTUS decided quite a while ago in Kennedy v Louisiana that capital punishment for offenses not resulting in (intended) death violate the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment).

    If this preacherman wants to violate the foundations of Christianity, fine. But he is not above the US Constitution. People like him are unamerican and should be stripped of their citizenship.

  13. wonderin

    “An important question for society is why educated individuals, including but not limited to, ministers and judges feel comfortable making such outrageous statements in very public places. The answer may be that those who know the truth — that pedophilia is a medical diagnosis and not a crime — are afraid to speak out.”

    One answer:
    Psychological and Religious beliefs, do not require scientific scrutiny to be accepted as truths. Both of them
    sprinkle enough facts into the mixture to confuse and persuade the gullible masses which allow unscrupulous people to reap the benefits, such as Graham.
    I have witnessed members and former members of such communities speak out publicly but their voices are all but muted by the roar of the more popular drummers pandering to the basic emotions of the populous.
    Personally, I believe the most important message that everyone should be broadcasting loud and clear is that most addictions, including sexual, gambling, alcohol, drugs, and etc may not be curable but they can be controlled.
    Therefore those who are demonstrating their commitment to becoming a better person should be allowed to do so without any encumbrances. It would be the humane and the intelligent thing to do from my point of view.

  14. Harry Withearl

    I just called the ministry office, the intake official “was not aware of this interview” I gave her this website so they see it first hand. She, also ask me to contact Webmaster of, which, I will and keep you all posted.

    • Harry

      I made contact with website and shared my opinion and the link to the above article. If, you wish to contact Billy Graham Association directly on their website (the best way) it is and go to the contact section. This is an opportunity to educate powerful people.

  15. Facts should mater

    Who else thinks this disparaging and hate-driven tirade by Graham Jr. was motivated by the decision not to file charges against Kevin Spacey???

  16. AnotherAnon

    I’ve not seen any evidence to indicate Spacey was an influence at all. The Catholic Church scandal is a more likely a source of the resentment, but does he say so? Competing religions too.

  17. Derek Logue of

    I don’t recall the Graham comments being made when he was defending Roy Moore…

    • Tim Moore

      Hmm… anyone alrwady bring that up in their correspondence to him? How about Hastert. Or Foley?

    • Jordy

      I actually liked Graham’s words on Roy Moore about how after many years a man is not the same man. A man has changed after many years. If Roy Moore can change, why can’t anyone else?

  18. Jack

    Evangelicals simply put, are what’s wrong with this country.

    • Interested party

      If we were to replace evangelical with RSO or RC we are espousing the same vitriol that is skewed towards us.

      No doubt evangelicals as a group have done things to earn your spite, but to clarify an entire of group of people as the problem of society as a whole is to walk into the same trap as those who try and say that harsh laws are the cure to the problem of criminals.

    • Tim Moore

      There are self proclaimed progressive evangelicals like the reverend Barber. That’s what is good still about the country, many viewpoints and many beliefs and combination of beliefs. If you had said “purist” or “puritanism”, then I could agree but with a caveat. That is a disease of conscience, and is affecting a lot of people today. But like any disease, we should try to administer to the disease, not hate the diseased.

    • Paul

      I emphatically agree!!!!! Bravo for stating what is becoming more obvious every day.

  19. Harry

    It was strange how Graham just drop that topic out of no where. Was God trying to expose some something about him deep within?

  20. Cheryl

    I sent this message to Franklin Graham: I listened to Franklin Graham’s radio interview on The New Yorker Radio Hour and would like to make a comment. I am the mother of an incarcerated son, who is serving time for molesting a child. I am very alarmed by Graham’s blanket statement about pedophiles deserving the death penalty. I have been praying for my son for many years, as he too was the child victim of a pedophile family member. To my horror, he grew up to become a perpetrator of the same thing of which he was a victim. Interestingly, the person who molested my son was also molested as a child by a trusted family acquaintance. There is so much I could say about Mr. Graham’s comments, but let me at least say this…please, please, please don’t make blanket statements about any class of people deserving to be executed. Hearing you say that pierced my already agonized heart. If you believe people can change, why would you want to kill my son before he has a chance to change?

  21. Laura

    Hmm the bible I read is pretty clear…. John chapter 8 verse 11 states ““Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more”

  22. Dolores

    Perhaps Franklin Graham should get out of the religion business. He is clearly not “christian” material. People make mistakes. They are not the sum total of the worst thing they’ve ever done. Church is for the fallen, the down-trodden, those who need salvation more than most. But Mr. Graham would rather kill people than reach out to them. He would rather have a congregation of perfect people. What, then, is the point?

    I have to wonder, does he know what a pedophile is? This isn’t a blanket term to cover all sex offenders. Also, pedophilia is a disorder, not a crime. So, he wants to execute ill people. How christian of him.

  23. Lara K.

    First of all we all need to remember the purpose of religion.


    Religion has always been a means of control over groups of people. This can be seen through ALL the civilizations that have been made up of human beings. Human beings are opportunists and when the opportunity is so great they are likely to become ‘not nice’ and take advantage. This is what the major and very large organized religions have done over centuries of indoctrination of their congregations.

    This is not an insult to the belief in a higher power at all, but only to those that wish to control others, abuse the power that is granted to them as leaders by others, and those that have used the teachings of their chosen religion to inflict harm, start wars, or terrorism in the name of their ‘God’.

    Religion/Spirituality is based far more in one’s self than in some pulpit with some self-appointed religious leader that may or may not have gotten there by honest means.

    The petty discussions I see here get so mired down in the religion that they don’t see this for what it is, a people issue, religion is only one catalyst in the major problem which is the people in general. Their unwillingness to see beyond their own small world of experiences, afraid to look outside their all to familiar box, and their obstinance when presented with facts that contradict their own belief. This kind of closed mindedness is what has started some of the worst human atrocities ever recorded in human history.

  24. cool

    Trump said the same thing..

    Donald J. Trump

    Got to do something about these missing chidlren grabbed by the perverts. Too many incidents–fast trial, death penalty.

  25. David

    Wow, I just listened to this guy on the Bew Yorker podcast. Please excuse me while I go vomit! 🤮

  26. Larry Edwards

    Please Help! Captive on a mountain! Being patrolled all hours of day and night by neighbors who ha e been threatening my son and I because I am a 290 registrant. It is near midnight and every couple of minutes they drive by. I am on parole. No CDCR contact on weekends. All agencies refer you to 911 and we have called they do not respond. No call no show on 911 twice! Lives in DANGER! Shooting on all sides of us all evening in a posted no shooting zone. Hours of volleys of bullets. Help we are in Seqouia Crest called Springville CA 93265. See my log posted on SOSEN copied and pasted below!

    Well friends how about this one. A man comes to my property and identified himself as a board member of the POA and a director of the snow removal board as well as a board member of the local water company. He said he gathers the information on property owners to keep a database to update locals on POA and other entity activities and votes. I of course cooperated and informed the man I am a registered citizen on parole. The man then illegally without my consent disseminated my information to other POA members and in league they called the County, my PO and even the realtor my son is purchasing the neighboring property through. All in a conspiracy to force me off my property because I am a registered citizen. Claiming I am violating County laws by living in an RV on my property they use this in a Colour of Law fashion to suppress my rights to secure my property and secure myself and property against illegal search and seizure. Siezure? Yes because the County seeks to encumber my property and have me removed as a result of the actions of these people. They have also tried to thwart my son’s purchase which violated his right to secure property. Not only that but our basic rights uninaleienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For two days in a row this group has assembled as a mob on the main road at my property boundaries to try and intimidate me. I served the main culpret a Mr. Kurt Wendelyn with a Federal Form COL yesterday and the mob assembled without his presence today. Today I was able to get them on video and confront them. Here is a link you can download
    I need help from anyone who can help me to provide a brief to the attorney general for the State of California as I have difficulty writing or typing for very long due to my Parkinson’s. I think I also need to file in federal court against these individuals and the county of Tulare. If so and anyone would organize a demonstration to pressure the Court to act it would help me and anyone who suffers this in the future. Basically these folks are using the registry and my status as a registered citizen to harass and intimidate me.

    « on: Today at 07:43:52 PM »

    I recently made a post on the NARSOL NEWS article on the front page of the SOSEN website. Instead of these folks calming down under the reality of possible prison time and law suits. They have escalated. Today a man came on behalf of Kurt Wendelyn, the instigator of all of these passed few days of madness. This man says his name is Skip Rouch and he has permission from the neighbors to check on their home. Then proceeded to tell me the biggest $*@#()$! mistake I ever made was to serve papers on his best friend Kurt Wendelyn. Then he began to threaten us saying he would take us out by force if he needs to for his friend. I told him Kurt had been harassing us for days and now he is acting in conspiracy with him and he steps off his bike and walks towards me and I said Sir you are trespassing. My son stepped in front of me and the man moved back and went about twenty feet and said he is no longer on my property he is on the easement road. I told him that road is for owners of property only. Now he is still tresspassing. He says there is no signs for no tresspassing. I said I just told you in person. You are not and we’re not invited here. He then went back farther to the property line and said now I am not on your road or lot! Ha! Gonna sue me too?! Huh you sicko motherf-er?! Spew some more bullshit! My son said that is my lot now sir please leave. I sent him to call 911 and the man got on his bike and stated he would be back. He sat at the bottom of the lots on the main road to hear my son calling 911. Then he drove off. All day the other POA members have been driving by and making insults so we started recording them and so they just drive by real slow and stare up at us or up at the property and then speed up and drive away. So guess what? No cops ever came or called or anything. We are left here at the mercy of these loons and they started shooting guns all over the neighborhood this afternoon. Shooting in a no shooting zone mind you. Remember this is a community with like 15 full time residents. Now they basically have a green light to do as they please. So they have all become very braisen to stop below our lot on the main road and video tape us. So we put up a temporary border next to our RVs up a hill. Like a premade one and the main culpret came to that lower mainland road spot and took video saying now we have them putting up tarps and tents, while talking to a person on the phone. He was speaking about the barrier. Which is steel poles and a green netting like a tennis net. Shooting continued into the evening. I fear this may be my last night on Earth. If so, I wanted a record for my friends and family to know what happened. I pray my son survives if they come for us tonight. We have no way to leave. There is only one way out and they are keeping a person on the road, my son was walking our dog see, he ran into this guy who turned him around. It is sad that we never get to have any peace no matter how hard we try to live right. I moved here to be far away from people wanting to get the evil sex offender. Yet, here I am with 15 neighbors in the area and my life in danger. Go figure. I have kept a video log on my phone. Hopefully it can be found if I never post again. I have told my son of the organization and of my post as well as my Mother.

    • David Kennerly

      Larry, what is happening to you is extremely disturbing and frightening. Perhaps some of our “Price Club” members in the area between Fresno and Bakersfield would be willing to stand with you. You might want to provide the GPS coordinates of exactly where you are. Before that, however, and if the local police and sheriffs are ignoring your requests, perhaps you should call the FBI. Their closest Field Office is: (310) 477-6565. Good luck and keep us apprised!

  27. Larry Edwards

    We were patrolled by these sex offender hunters all night. Round and round the road they go. I am so tired. My son and I are taking turns staying awake. We never know what moment these people will tresspass. It happens over and over. They take turns so that at least one event of tresspass and threat of harm happens each day. The county is basically acting on the behalf of these folks even when we are the ones calling for help. Our location is 54801 Alder Wy, Springville CA. All we know is between my state parole requirements and the county of Tulare refusing to aid us, we are in danger and left to the mercy of these people who repeatedly break the law. To the law enforcement I am just a sex offender and therefore my testimony holds no water compared to these long standing “pillars of the community”. We are living in fear and it is having some consequences to my health, let alone we fear they will eventually be so bold as to feel they actually will follow through with their threats of harm.

  28. Larry Edwards

    I am afraid any law enforcement will side with the Sheriff. After all doesn’t the FBI and US Marshall spend a large portion of time arresting sex offenders? Yeah, I feel like they would choose to come after me and my son vs give us aid.

  29. Larry Edwards

    Now there has been a biker gang surround the property on the main road while dark. Where did they come from? We could see from our window they had this Skip guy with them. They left after some comments and my son and I stayed inside . It seems like they are testing law enforcement to see what they can get away with. So far, anything seems to go. I think we need some federal protective custody. Only the FBI and Attorney General and every other agency we call or look up says for emergency call 911! No regard to WE HAVE AND THEY DON’T RESPOND! At some point they will act on their threats and we will likely cease to exist. What a crazy world.

    • David Kennerly

      Larry, I suggest calling attorney Janice Bellucci at 818 305 5984.

    • Tim Moore

      Where are you? I suggest a bunch of us registrants show up for a little “meeting”. Nice to have an attorney present, also. This stuff must stop.

  30. AnotherAnon

    @ Larry Edwards, this is the Internet and as a rule of thumb I’m skeptical of the Internet, but presuming your fears are real, I would ask, “Can you son buy or own a gun?” If so, he should buy 2, one for you and one for him. I know. I know, you cannot own, possess or have access to a gun, so both for him. However, if the guns were locked in your son’s truck and he kept the keys, then maybe People v. King would apply in an emergency situation if you are attacked :

    “As we shall explain, we have concluded that in enacting section 12021 [felon with a gun] the Legislature did not intend to deny persons described by that section the right to use a concealable firearm in defense of self or others in emergency situations, and that in this case it was error to refuse to give instructions on self-defense. Because the omission of these instructions denied defendant his right to have the jury consider issues material to his guilt, we reverse the conviction. (People v. Sedeno (1974) 10 Cal. 3d 703, 721 [112 Cal. Rptr. 1, 518 P.2d 913].)

    “Because the right to instructions on self-defense is the central issue in this appeal, fn. 2 our recital of the evidence introduced at trial is necessarily [22 Cal. 3d 16] one emphasizing matters which would justify such instructions, rather than the customary summary of evidence supporting the judgment. (See, e.g., People v. Holt (1944) 25 Cal. 2d 59, 62 [153 P.2d 21]; People v. Jackson (1965) 233 Cal. App. 2d 639, 640 [43 Cal. Rptr. 817].)”

    This means there would have to be real and credible thereat to life or limb to you or your son that a reasonable juror would agree with. You cannot shoot people because they call you names. Everybody thinks they are police, prosecutor and judge handing down another sentence and I’m sick of it, but be sure this opinion is still good law.

  31. Matt Duhamel

    I’m glad you mentioned this…a great point!

    “Another important question is why educated individuals would advocate the death penalty for someone diagnosed with a medical condition.”

    • Tim Moore

      just remember, “blood purity”. Look at the opinions supporting the registry and it is all about eliminating inferior individuals by making it nearly impossible, albeit by incremental steps, the ability to survive. That is what this whole registry thing is all about.

      • Larry Edwards

        they have finally begun to call down. My stepdad and my mother came up and sat here with my son and I yesterday afternoon. Then things started to settle down. He wore his veteran cap and his volunteer firefighter shirt from Alaska. Plus he can carry a firearm. Now today was pretty peaceful. However the trouble they have caused me with the County and realtor and they are in charge of the water company and snow removal. It can be a real problem. So I have to do something about it in court.
        The only way any of this will stop is if we can get legal help to resolve them. Problem is most of us live on limited means due to the restrictions in our life. This issue isn’t solved, they still drive by on this weird patrol deal. But the threats and mobs have stopped. Now though it comes to matters of basic life necessities that they I tend to block. Example giving the water hookup. So I go 15 miles to fill at a public spring. Then there is building. They want to blocky ability to build here a permanent home. Which obviously isn’t so appealing. But I own this lot and the debt with it. How then do I move unless I can sell it? I can’t sell it with these people harassing whoever comes out here to see it. Plus they will say a sex offender lives there. A realtor can’t show it with me here if it is a family with kids. So on and so forth. How do I know? I called the county to discuss permits today. If I can’t build I can’t stay as the County will only let me stay if I obtain a permit to build. Round and round we go.

        However, these people and others like them should not be allowed to put someone else through this torment. Or misuse the registry to cause real damages or punitive damages. I mean I feared they were going to kill me. I made a video to tell my family goodby and my dearest friends. My son did as well. We had reached a point to accept dying because of the maniacal behavior of these individuals! Now it makes me angry. Now I feel like if anyone leaves this mountain it should be these true monsters of terror who have preyed on my son and I and affected our family and friends in the process! The same as my own offense had done. Two wrongs however never make a right. I worked hard to make changes to my life. I don’t believe anything is incurable. I believe saying it is only provides an excuse for “relapse”. Our minds are not only wired one way, we can train them to be different. With self monitoring, and diligence and putting the thoughts of ones every action into personal question to determine the affects beyond our own scope and to the realm of others around us.
        I would not for example seek to obtain a weapon for defense againsty parole even if there were legal justification. My harming their physical person in defense of my own is an eye for an eye. Martin Luther King Jr said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. A line from the Bible. Jesus said a similar statement. It wouldn’t solve the problem. In death at least I may have been marter and spurred others into action over the injustice.
        I don’t want to fight violence with violence. That isn’t who I am. It is who these mountain vigilante’s want me to be. I don’t conceid to that, I will conceid to meeting my maker first.
        I am grateful beyond belief to not have the madness in the form it was +with danger of physical harm) the past day and a half. God it was horrible. I can’t even find words. Frightening. Terrifying. Question is without any ability to get emergency aid from law enforcement the potential for danger is still present and the potential for being thrown off my property by the county is a real problem to lead to homelessness so what is the next step?

  32. mike

    the mission of the legislature across the US was to “rape the rapists.” Those convicted prior to their state’s Megans law most likely feel more raped because they were not notified of these provisions before signing their life away. I was one of them. How is it possible this could happen? Because I feel that they took the worst case of child abuse and applied it to ALL sex offenders and their goal was to rape all of us mentally. i, for one have been raped by the state of Florida.

  33. Mike

    In 1945, George W. Bush married Barbara Pierce. She was 16 years old and he was 21. That is considered a sex offender on today’s law so George W. Bush could and should have been put on SO Registry, if he was still alive he could and should have been made to register as Sex Offender and they have made everyone who committed a sex offence before megans law have been made to retroactively register.

    • CR

      Mike, it was George H. W. Bush. Not George W Bush.

      Consensual sexual relations between legally married individuals does not constitute a sexual offense. The minimum age to marry varies from state to state. You can read about it here:

      You should be aware that in many states, there is no minimum marriage age when the marriage occurs with parental and/or judicial consent. So far as I know, 12 and 13 year olds have been legally married, and probably still are from time to time.

      It is unconstitutional to criminalize under current law past actions that were legal at the time they occurred. It was legal for 21 year old George HW Bush to marry 16 year old Barbara Pierce in 1945 New York. The minimum age for marriage in New York was 14 at that time.

    • TS


      They were four days less than one year apart in age if you look at their respective birth dates; his was June 12, 1924 ( while hers was June 8, 1925 ( They were married when she was 19 and he was 20 after meeting when she was 16 and he was 17. Their courtship, engagement, and marriage was in the appropriate age range for individuals in high school and shortly thereafter.

      You should be ashamed of yourself for insinuating that Bush 41 was 21 when he married Barbara at 16 and should have been charged with a crime that was not even illegal back then for marital consent. Do a more research and math before such defamatory, slanderous comments are posted by you on this forum, especially since others took your word for it.

    • TS



      What you said is a discredit to the SOL reformation movement, this website & it’s forum, and all of those who are working hard through other forums/websites to discredit bad information this is espoused by those ignorant folks (professionally and personally) who know no better beyond scaring folks with bogus “frightening and high” statistics and data daily, seasonally, e.g. Halloween/Christmas, and annually when they can.

      One never knows who is reading this forum and others like it. What you said could create legal issues for this website and forum with what you said because it is patently false and misleading. Sad day for registrants and family members when stuff like this is published.

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