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NV: New bill may create longer waits at Las Vegas police headquarters

Days before a Nevada bill changing the sex offender registry goes into effect, the Metropolitan Police Department suggested ways to avoid anticipated large crowds at Las Vegas police headquarters.

People who need to file or request police reports may do so at any of Metro’s 10 substations, said Lisa Hank, director of Metro’s Police Records and Fingerprint Bureau. That way people can avoid crowds and longer wait times potentially caused by Assembly Bill 579, which takes effect on Oct. 1. The bill requires sex offenders to report to police and be fingerprinted more frequently at Metro’s headquarters, located at 400 S. Martin L. King Blvd. Full Article

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  1. Will Allen

    Total dumbasses. More “checking in” does absolutely jack squat for public safety. In my case, it does the opposite. I fully expect that is the case by far, overall.

    Oh well, they are going to need more employees. They are going to need to grow Nanny Big Government (NBG) even bigger. That is what most of them want anyway so I guess that is good for them. We can’t have enough government employees doing stupid, useless “work”.

    Now just when are they going to get the rest of their NBG Registries created? Don’t they want to at least pretend that they have some credibility?

    The devolution of the U.S. continues. Never was such a great country and it is dropping by the day.

    • KP

      I am a First Time Poster – I have waited 10 years to be off probation. During this time I have been classified as a Tier I offender. I just received my Letter. If not reversed, I will become classified as a Tier III offender with the “highest probability to re offend. Every-time I hear of this NV Bill, I go into PTSD. I relive the trauma of events, memories of unjust experiences inflicted on me by my PO’s, unpleasantness of counselors, law enforcement, hassle of registration, memories of when I have checked into Police and Sheriff stations while on out-of state-travel, (upon travel pass check in, I was held and interrogated in a room for 3.5 hours in Newport Beach, California. I was respectful and pleasant to everyone I encountered. I could only surmise the officer felt like having fun with me and must hate S.O’s as he was aggressive, demeaning and physically combative – even handcuffing me against a wall instructing me not to move for 20 minutes. All this without cause or a reason provided. He refused to sign my travel pass and informed me my mother’s address was not approved – even though I had been checking in at this police station with my mother’s address the past five years. Under threat of being arrested and as a condition he would release me from his detainment, I was instructed to immediately leave the state of California and return to Nevada). The list goes on. I have waited 10 years to “reinstate” my Real Estate License. If reclassified as a Tier III, the Nevada Real Estate Division shall not issue a license to any Tier III offender, (which is obviously additional punishment). The past 10 years I have decided to stay in Nevada and not move to California. From what I understand, the state of California lists everyone on their website. I DO NOT want to be listed on a website as that is way more punishment then the ten year sentence the judge originally gave me. After ten years, I thought I was finally free. It may turn out that I should have moved to California a long time ago. Just thinking… I was free, and now I might be subject to a LIFETIME of NEW punishment, fears, uncertainties, insecurities, shame, regrets and all because of a political driven – NOT scientific based decision. After taking the Static-99 test, I was diagnosed a “Very Low” level to re-offend. The Static 99 is a forensic assessment test for sex offenders and notably respected worldwide. A “Very-Low” assessment is the LOWEST a person can score. How is it that I am now deemed to be a “Very-High” person to re-offend? At best, any S.O. Registry System is flawed and more likely factually unconstitutional infringing on our rights. I remain positive and will not let anything define me. I hope and pray – that we can ALL be allowed rehabilitation as productive citizens of our respective society, regardless of the unjust obstacles put in front of us. Our governing bodies should be working towards ABOLISHING all “Double Jeopardy” decisions in our country! Be well, KP

      • AO

        Hello KP. Welcome to the forum. I’m very sorry to hear about your ordeal. It sounds insane! Where did you encounter horrible experience in CA? I can’t think of a reason why the officer would tell you the things he did. Since CA doesn’t residency restrictions except for some people on parole (but not probation), you’re mothers address being an issue seems odd.

        Also, and FYI, Static-99 is trash. It’s not respected. Certainly not on this forum. It’s used because it’s a short cut to actually having to evaluate us as the individuals we are. A 10-question test cannot possibly predict a person’s future; it treats you harsher if you did NOT physically touch your victim and it indiscriminately ups your score if you had a male victim, regardless if you’re gay or not (it supposed to capture straight men going after boys, but doesn’t account for gay men) If you look around the forum, you’ll find a fair amount of information (and links to information) debunking the Static-99. But what’s even worse, CA actually ignores significant portion of it, such as it only being valid for 17 years. CA just treats as indefinite and absolute.

        • Chris

          No way the Static 99R is valid for 17 years. I’m pretty sure that the Scam 99R is valid for only 2 years. This is somewhere in the 99R’s coding rules. It used to be that “Dr.” Hanson implied it was valid for 10 years; but I think he’s since realized that no one will buy the crap that his Frankenstein would be valid any longer than 2 or so years.

          But 17 years?? Never heard of the Crap 99 being valid for so long.

        • Static-99R = Two-Year Validity

          Two-year validity is correct.

          It doesn’t get clearer than this: “Static risk assessments estimate the likelihood of recidivism at the time of release and we expect they would be valid for approximately two years.” Pg. 13.

          Link to most recent Coding Rules: http://static99.org/pdfdocs/Coding_manual_2016_InPRESS.pdf

          Of course, nothing forbids Fake Doctor Karl Hanson from rewriting the Coding Rules to proclaim the Static-99R’s validity for longer than two years. The most recent SARATSO Static-99R “validation” tries to make it seem as though the Static-99R is valid for 10 years. But I don’t buy it. To begin with, how can 10 questions predict a person’s future — especially when then 10 questions are focused on “static” (and not dynamic) “risk factors?” And why is the Static-99R’s data kept a trade secret?

      • David

        Welcome, KP. Yes, you will find a great deal of information and discussion here about living your life and about actions being taken to push back against & defeat these punitive laws that are seemingly endlessly being aimed at us.
        Learn. Receive the support of fellow individuals who had sex offense convictions. Grow strong. Fight back.

      • Will Allen

        Wow. You really went through some BS. I hope you understand that “people” who do things like that to you are simply scumbags. There is NO reason to be nice or respectful to anyone who supports the Registries. None. Treat them as they deserve. Wage war.

      • Hahahahaha

        I find it stunning that people who boast the “greatness” of the Static-99R conveniently ignore the fact that some of the most egregious and unfortunate cases, specifically those used by our corrupt politicians as an example to intensify “sex offender” laws, involve sex offender recidivists who scored “low” on the Static-99 tests. The most notable example in California involves the murder of Chelsea King, as well as the subsequent enactment of Chelsea’s Law. The man responsible for the rape and murder of Ms. King also scored “low” on the Static-99 “risk assessment.” And even if that same man were to be scored after his first conviction, using the “revised” Static-99R, he would have STILL been rated “low risk.”

        The Static-99R creates a false sense of security because it gives the impression that each person should not be assessed on an individualized basis, but rather, as the Static-99R negligently encourages, each person should be simplified to an arbitrary score. The so-called validating “studies” by Karl Hanson also (conveniently) glosses over false positives and false negatives when selling the Static-99R scheme. It should be no surprise that a lot of bureaucrats, particularly those in the DOJ and CDCR, have stood behind the Static-99R – even to the point of manipulating statistics – so as to defend their legacies. One example is Scott Kernan, former undersecretary of CDCR, who for a long period of time helped create corrupt “treatment” contract relationships with companies like Sharper Future. Today, Kernan is in charge of CDCR. And not surprisingly, programs like Sharper Future get more contract money when they “treat” registrants who are labeled a “High Risk Sex Offender” (HRSO). Not coincidentally, the Static-99 tests have also been proven to grossly exaggerate recidivism rates – so an exaggerated amount of people are forced into more treatment sessions – which, again, equates to more funding to the CEO’s of sex offender treatment schemes.

        It would look very bad if the Static-99R were exposed for the true scam that it is, especially after 2010 (and more recently), when people like Kernan – as well as those in CASOMB and SARATSO’s “leadership” – continue to support Minority Report pseudo-science. Here is an article from 2010 that explains how much of junk “science” the Static-99 tests truly are:

        http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-panel-grilled-on-form-used-for-gardner-2010apr01-story.html

        The Static-99 tests are ultimately geared to create profit and normalize junk science. This “science” is intended for easy manipulation, through non-transparent means, to create the narrative most convenient for politicians and corrupt law enforcement at any given time. This is why California’s “Tiered Registry” put so much emphasis in hiding the Static-99R under “SARATSO tool,” to be interpreted by the “Coding Rules.” This was not a mistake by whoever had a part in writing and pushing the Tiered Registry. In the end, this was done to keep the registry alive – as well as to protect the many special interests who leech off of the financial and political benefits of keeping, expanding, and complicating the sex offender registry.

    • David

      @Will Allen: In fact, the Registry itself does nothing to improve public safety. This new NV law is just State-sanctioned harrasment, nothing more. 😡

  2. JM from wi

    I’ve registered into Vegas many times. It takes 3 and 1/2 hours. they finger print me each time. I’ve asked the data cop why each time, I was told in case of changes… I asked “like what” she responded “like if you get a finger cut off or something”. If they do all resident registrants every time, it is indeed lots of xtra time. Reminds me of the dentist trying to pay off the x-ray machine.

    • TS

      @JMfromWI

      Are they fingerprinting all of the digits on each hand or just the index finger?

    • AO

      @JM, why does fingerprinting take so much longer? When I was doing weekends, I had to be printed every time I was leaving and they did all the fingers plus my palms. Took about 2 minutes. And this is after they try 3-4 times to do one finger in particular that just never seems to want to take. It’s not like it’s major surgery that they have prep for.

      • JM from wi

        I sit and wait 30 to 60 minutes in line . I do paperwork with data cop for 30 to 40 minutes. I wait for 30 minutes, do fingerprints 5 minutes, wait 20 minutes, get picture taken 1 minute ,… my record is 2 hours +, my worst was nearly 3.5 hrs

        • CR

          JM from wi, that is a crazy long time.

          I register in TX every 90 days. They only took my fingerprints the first time I registered.
          Since the it has rarely taken more than 15 minutes, and is usually less than 5. Plus a 20 minute drive there and back. If it took as long as you described, it would affect my work. I’d probably have to take a vacation day.

          Here, it is done by your local police, or the county Sheriff’s office. They let me make an appointment at a time that is convenient for me. Maybe I am just lucky. But even so, it is an unjustifiable burden.

          These registration laws are unconstitutional. They must end.

        • AO

          @JM – Sorry to hear that. Sounds like a nightmare. So far, my process has been as quick and easy as CR’s. Though it seems to be a city-by-city thing as plenty of other people in CA have described your nightmare as well.

  3. Unintended Consequences

    This is one of the unintended consequences to a “tiered registry.” While a tiered registry may *seem* like a better alternative to a previous (lifetime) system, it also has the potential to “reclassify” people to seem more of a “risk” and/or “danger” than the previous system—while also requiring more in-person appearances at the police department—when said persons’ alleged risk or danger are either based on years-old conviction(s) and/or a bogus risk assessment instrument (i.e. Static-99).

    In the end, a tiered registry only grows government corruption and adds to law enforcement budget because more personnel are needed to “reclassify” registrants, process in-person registrations of registrants, prosecute registrants who are not compliant, and oppose “petitions” for relief. Subsequently, more vested, usually personal (career) interests are invested into the legitimacy of the registry itself—and we have the growing monster that we have now.

    These “tiered” legislative schemes are designed only to very cleverly grow and legitimize the registry itself.

    • Will Allen

      Great analysis. Way too many people have a vested need to pretend that the Registries are not worse than worthless.

      Tiers are not an acceptable solution. The only acceptable solution is a destruction of the Registries. Wage war.

    • Tired of this

      “It also has the potential to “reclassify” people to seem more of a “risk” and/or “danger” than the previous system—while also requiring more in-person appearances at the police department—when said persons’ alleged risk or danger are either based on years-old conviction(s) and/or a bogus risk assessment instrument”

      This is exactly what happened to me – under the old system here I was Tier 1 and not publicly listed, updating my registration annually by mail. Under this new scheme, I am suddenly more dangerous after all these years; I have been bumped to tier 2 which entails in-person updates every 6 months and public disclosure on the website. Visiting the cop shop is always nerve-wracking as it is, with the ever-present fear that I’ll be arrested on some kind of technicality. And now having to walk into the lions den every 6 months…you know, after dealing with registration-related bs for over a decade now and among three different states, I’m honestly not sure how much longer I can deal with the stress and anxiety of this nonsense. I’m getting to a point where it doesn’t seem worth it anymore. It is a rigged game and they can keep changing the rules and moving the goalposts whenever they wish.

      I’m still holding out some hope for a successful challenge of this law, though.

      • GRR

        I just moved back to California. Hopefully the tier system here is better than the AW bullshit. Nevada is no place to be. Way more liberal towns here in California but need to pick the right area. Hang in there.

        • Tired of this

          @GRR: From CA originally too, but ever since I heard that the new tier system in CA will classify anyone with a cp possession conviction as Tier 3, returning is a no-go. Anywhere where I’d be posted on a website in any way, shape, or form is a no-go. Our neighbor to the north is looking better and better.

    • Trish

      Tiered system is just another way to excuse/allow the Government to have power over the punished people RCs…!!!…but who really cares ! ….CONSEQUENCES! Are what the RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITES PROFOUNDLY EXPRESS ! WHILE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RCs JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ! Boo boo ! Right ! THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE….this site and others like this will continue to play around for many years while adding there worthless 2 cents into the mess pot of life, while going there own selfish routes with Law, Courts …etc. Etc. until RCs Pay! Pay! pay! And time will pass and everyone will forget what happened to those OFFENDERS ! and RCs will carry this Life burden until another issue in life takes president!

  4. when will it end

    We’ve had the same problem in Reno. They won’t want to take information and dont know the laws we are trying our best to comply with. We call the case worker at the Department of Public Safety and she makes sure to answer our questions and keep my boyfriend up to date. Went from 0 to 1.He has not done the classes yet. Does anyone know a good therapist in Reno. Want him to get something out of it if possible. Its been close to 30 years. California didn’t tell him to register, he started 11yrs ago in Nevada. We need a good attorney in California ,any advice. We are going with McLetchie and Shell in Nevada.

  5. when will it end

    Its crazy. Constantly changing laws, having to petition in each state. My head spins, get anxiety and panic attacks.

  6. Dave

    I already moved out of state to Oregon, where it seems they have a more sensible approach to the SORNA law. I was Tier 1 when I moved; I could not hack it if I was listed as a Tier 3, with the 3-mo repeat visits to register. I don’t have a job yet, just kind of waiting so there might be a successful challenge to this draconian law, but I am certain, at this point, that it will go into effect on Monday.

    The implementation of this law sent me into fight or flight mode; I literally quit my job and fled.

    • GRR

      Me Too. Fu ck the Feds and the red neck Nevadans. In Reno, I raised my son as a single dad, own a home and lived next to an elementary school for over 15 years, involved in the community, volunteer, never on the website, and now they say i’m a pedophile.

      Quit a 6 figure job and moved backed to California.

      But whom I’m really pissed at is the senator shooter because he didn’t take shooting practice before he went to softball practice.

    • Tired of this

      @Dave: I’m considering following suit. How was the registration process there? Was it at all difficult/nerve-wracking? Do they ask for “internet identifiers,” etc.? I’m getting bumped from 1 to 2 here in Reno and even that’s enough to make me seriously reconsider staying here.

  7. GRR

    Me Too. Fu ck the Feds and the red neck Nevadans. In Reno, I raised my son as a single dad, own a home and lived next to an elementary school for over 15 years, involved in the community, volunteer, never on the website, and now they say i’m a pedophile.

    Quit a 6 figure job and moved backed to California.

    But whom I’m really pissed at is the senator shooter because he didn’t take shooting practice before he went to softball practice.

  8. AC

    First time poster, but have been following this site for a long time. It really does take about 3-3.5 hours to register in Las Vegas where the location is like a CA DMV. You draw a number only to wait forever to get called unless you are in line early in the morning. Normally there is only 1 window serving registrants. Once you get to the window, the admin takes forever to update your information. You can easily be at a window for 30-45 minutes, then they want you to get back in line to be called for the fingerprinting, which again can take a lot of time. This is just downright ridiculous as I have registered in other states and cities and am in and out in about 20-30 minutes. Reno and Sparks to the north are much more efficient in the process.

    Like another poster here, I am currently a tier 1 in Nevada, but will be moved to tier 3. I am glad I moved out of that state to Oregon, although they currently still control me on parole here as Nevada added lifetime supervision on top of my sentence which is another BS issue.

    • Tired of this

      I’m looking into moving up there. How was the registration process in Oregon? Do they ask for online identifiers? I’m not on paper and I was tier 1 but just got bumped to 2.

      • AC

        Yes they ask for online identifiers, but so does Nevada if I recall correctly. Registration process is annually and is a pretty quick process.

  9. USA

    None of this makes any sense! It increases their workloads, increases the chances of re-arrest (I can barely remember my registering date) and in the laymen’s view, creates a feeling of fear wondering why now people must register more often?

    • AJ

      @USA:
      “…increases the chances of re-arrest…”
      —–
      I think you answered your own question.

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