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MO: Proposed ordinance would keep sex offenders from serving liquor

To serve alcohol in Kansas City, you need a liquor card. The public safety committee is considering a new proposed ordinance that would change that, but some agencies are concerned.

The Metropolitan Organization to Counter Sexual Assault, or MOCSA, is speaking out. Victoria Pickering, Director of Advocacy for MOCSA, said, “The goal is to prevent individuals who have a history of committing sexual offenses from being able to work with alcohol which is the number one drug that’s used to facilitate sexual assault.” Full Article

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Worried about Sex Offenders serving alcohol?

Abolish the registry.

There will immediately be zero Sex Offenders serving alcohol.

How often does this pattern need to be posted for it to click?

The registry is a train wreck, dumpster fire of a policy and need to be reversed, immediately and irrevocably, forever. The longer I am on it, the less appropriate it feels.

Any policy that names and shames anyone who commits a crime, no matter how heinous, misses the mark that members of humankind are fully capable of reflection, remorse and change.

O_M_G! What next? Oh wait, I know:
Because alcohol is “…. the number one drug that’s used to facilitate sexual assault”, those previously convicted of a sexual offense also cannot work or be present at any establishment that serves or sells alcohol (including grocery store, convenience stores, restaurants, and bars)! 🤡🤪

(I imagine this “restriction” will be trending after the accusations against SCOTUS nominee Kavanaugh.)

My god whats next? Just when I thought just maybe we had seen it all…

This Victoria Peckering must be a real dingbat for coming up with such a ridiculous idea a this ! People like her shouldn’t be aloud to be the head of anything.

When are city’s and munisapalities, going to get it, ordinances are NOT LAWS, and they certainly are NOT BINDING PUBLIC LAWS. Ordinances ONLY to employees and employers of said city and or munisapalities. The ONLY ones allowed to pass so called laws are state legislatures. PERIOD.

All over the US, cities, towns, municipalities, pass ordinances that apply to the people within their jurisdiction. They are granted local governing authority by their state legislatures.

I have never heard someone make this claim before. If I am not misunderstanding you, then I think you must be mistaken. However, I have an open mind. I would like to hear why you believe that ordinances created by local governing bodies don’t apply to anyone other than the governing authority itself and its employees.

I agree with you. I know in the state where I live, towns and cities can write ordinances themselves and they are laws. Just as good as if the state had written them.

I would like to hear this person’s reasoning about ordinances in Missouri.

@CR: Someone tossed out this claim a number of months back on here. IIRC it was specifically about Texas. That person was enthusiastically ‘educated’ by many on here, yours truly included. @Invisable: I challenge you to give your premise a try. Consult your town’s Ordinances, pick a few to blatantly violate (in front of LEOs if possible), and see how things come out for you. Play loud music after curfew for a week. Don’t mow your lawn…and then refuse to pay the assessment when the city mows it and puts a lien on the property. If not a felon, get… Read more »

taooflaw.wordpress.com,. It’s all right here, just look up your state. To answer one question for you. Let’s say you get pulled over for loud music, because of a so called ordinance. Well who says the music is loud?. the cop ? Does he have noise meter with him that told him the music was to load. I highly doubtful it he is guessing, who is he or the city to determine what decipals are to loud. They can’t because again ordinances are NOT LAWS and certainly are NOT BINDING PUBLIC LAWS. People need to read their state constitions, and you… Read more »

@Invisable:
My challenge to you stands.

Here’s another one to try: drinking alcohol at a park or other similar place where it’s prohibited by those “illegal” Ordinances. And let me guess, your next revelation to us will be that we don’t actually need driver’s licenses to drive on public roads. That tired and blatantly false claim has been on here before, too.

I’m a bit confused. The headline screams about RCs not being allowed to serve liquor, but nowhere in the article is that actually mentioned as being proposed. If anything, the article talks contrary to such an event. The hair-on-fire MOCSA is obvious about their agenda, but the other quotes and statements are rather equivocal. I suspect a bad editing job chopped out some key pieces.

The answer to the whole ting is staring you right in the face:

Each such city and village shall have
power to adopt resolutions and ordinances relating to its municipal concerns, property and government,
SUBJECT TO THE CONSTITUTION and law.

So, to WHOM does the state constitution delegate the power to make binding public law, to ONLY the legislature or to the legislature AND municipalities and counties? ONLY the legislature, right? So, to whom then can the muni or county apply their ordinances IF they constitutionally CANNOT create binding public law?

Not sure what state statutes you are quoting, but it is not Texas. Texas statutes are very clear and expressly allow municipalities to adopt ordinances to regulate the public and expressly authorize enforcement via the use of fines or jail time.

@lovewillprevail
taooflaw.wordpress.com Go here look up ordinances and Texas. The person who created this blog is actually a former Deputy Sheriff from the state of Texas, his name ids Eddie Craig. He has been studying this stuff for more then 25 years now.

“He has been studying this stuff for more then 25 years now.”
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And after 25 years, the best he can do is a blog on wordpress? Yup, sounds like solid legal footing to me.

AJ, The reason why you know it is credible is that it comes with animated gifs.

@Notorious DIK:
Yes, animated GIFs make all the difference. And now that he’s taken down the fraud known as municipal Ordinances, he’s, “trying to design an upcoming greenhouse aquaponics project.” O. M. G. This guy is amazing! Both the sharpest legal mind going *and* a Master Gardener! I bet if Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston had consulted with him, they truly could have achieved peace in the Middle East (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1445155/After-Tony-and-Kofi-fail-Brad-and-Jennifer-try-Mid-East-diplomacy.html).

Are you just making a philosophical argument? Like “they shouldn’t be allowed”??

If not, please do tell us a specific city (including state) that has ordinances that you believe people do not have to follow.

Man I can’t wait for SCOTUS to get a real case hopefully challenging the registry on the issues I’ve brought forth. They are going to be like, are you kidding me, and you people have some kind of skewed vision that is so bad ypu actually think these laws are constitutional. I really think they are going to ream whomever tries to defend these laws like that one court did where they told the attorney they need to go read the constitution laughing as the left the bench. We are living in the frigging Twilight Zone or a Doctor Who… Read more »

After my conviction, bartending was the only job I could get. It worked out well until the state added me on to the public website years later. Once I was posted on the internet, the drunk patrons made sure to make my life miserable. And most bartenders are too busy serving drinks to get the opportunity to take advantage of anyone. They should be more concerned about everyone else that is drunk in the bar.

This is nothing but a blatant attack on people on the registry, pure discrimination of a minority group. So can people on the registry go in to bars and drink? But they can’t get a job serving. Ok, got it.

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