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Only corrupt, criminal regimes have $EX Offender Registries. The longer I live, the more and more strongly I understand that governments, organizations, people, etc. are rarely going to do what I want. People learn that early on as a child, of course, but I feel I find better understanding of that daily and it helps me to better deal with the world in general. It is easy to feel powerless with respect to the Registries and their harassment. I’ve mentioned many times that I’ve lost patience with expecting the criminal regimes or people in general to do the right thing.… Read more »

Care to share what specifically you did for yourself? Now what have you done for the rest of us to end registeries?

I can share most of it, but not all of it. And I’m a little short on time right now so I don’t want to go exceptionally long. But regarding the counterproductive part, that’s easy. You could use your imagination a bit as well. What would signify that the Registries were completely useless? I can think of a number of things. How about if someone retaliated because of the Registries, as they have, and murdered or raped some children? That seems counterproductive, doesn’t it? But for me specifically, I hang out with people and children very, very often where none… Read more »

Here is a quiz for Registered People: 1. If you are riding public transportation and see a “shady” person get on, clearly intentionally leave a backpack there, and then get off, what do you do? A) Tell the people around you and call 911. B) Because of the Registries, get off the public transportation ASAP. 2. If you are driving down the road and you see two cars in front of you crash and plummet off the side of the road, what do you do? A) Call 911 and stop to see if you can help. B) Because of the… Read more »

How about being open with those who you have established close relationships with, and then ask them to campaign for legislation to be changed? Share your story, facts and truth, etc.

Only way for registries to end is for the public to be truly educated about truth and facts, and not buy into the media circus, which is what politicians feed off of to continue to pass these laws.

@TP (https://all4consolaws.org/2020/01/general-comments-january-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-240306): Sure, that is 1 action of perhaps 500. I’ve been doing that and will continue. All people who I have a very close relationship with know about my past. But one of my goals as well is to not allow my Registration problems to affect my family, friends, etc. So I’m not going to talk to any close person about it unless they want to. All of them do, but usually only to some varying extent. Further, I’m not going to ask anyone to campaign. If some wants to campaign, then I want them to do it because… Read more »

@Will Allen I guess I have to be honest, in that based on what youve said all I see you doing is trying to lay low and look out for yourself…plus post on various RC related message boards complaining about how only criminal regimes have registries. I can understand and relate to not wanting to bother your friends and/or family asking for them to help change laws, but that is the only way laws are going to change is by the movement of the people. Those people need to understand the truth about individuals in our situations, cases, issues, and… Read more »

@TP (https://all4consolaws.org/2020/01/general-comments-january-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-240322): “lay low”? Too funny. I’m not going to bother to re-read or dissect what I wrote so I guess I just did a terrible job of expressing what I’ve done and believe. I’ve done the complete opposite of “lay low”. Again, I’m certain I’ve done more than at least 99.9% of Registered People (RPs) have. Certain of that. I’ve attacked the Registries from 100s of different angles, including ALL that you’ve mentioned. For over 2 decades. 20+ years. In fact, I am so frustrated by the lame, weak, and lazy non-response of most RPs to the Registries that… Read more »

As I read more articles about expanding not only offenses, but ages of those affected by them, I realize that this stone is turning into a boulder. It has reached a point where, if you are in bed with your wife and your child walks into the bedroom, you are susceptible to more than a few sexual offenses: Indecent exposure Child abuse Child porn ( if they climb under the covers and a family pic is taken ) and I’m sure others. All your kid has to do is mention this to another person ( even a relative ) and… Read more »

Hey guys this is a topic that comes up a lot. I was convicted in 2004 of 664/288(a) attempted lewd acts with child under 14. A police sting. Expunged in 2010. I’ve read a few success stories about getting a COR from some people on here. I filed with San Bernardino county public defender and 6 months later got a reply saying I was ineligible. I called Rose at the LA county office and she said that wasn’t true but I’m getting mixed answers. I’m in California. Anyone with any advice or experience in San Bernardino county? I need help… Read more »

RS I had the same 664/288(a) committed in 2001 and last month got my COR in Los Angles Country Superior Court; now, it does not stop registration or take us off Megan but it gives us the paper to use in 2021 to approach a judge to get off the Megan and stop registration. I worked with Miriam at the Public Defender Office in LA…she works with Rose…you will need 4 character reference letters and NOW a psychologist report that states you chance to re offend is very unlikely. The last item is now from the current DA in that… Read more »

@RS, I do not have any specific information about San Bernardino. However, like Mot, I received a COR in December with the same offense (664/288(a)). First a question, who told you that you were ineligible, the public defender? The DA? The judge? From the sound of it Rose should be able to give the relevant case which declares that an attempted crime is not the same as the crime itself which in essence makes us eligible for the COR. I believe the case is Lewis vs California. The answer to my question will dictate how to get the information to… Read more »

@interested party

Thanks for the reply. It was a generic letter from the PD clerk. Very short. Just said not eligible and to try for a gov pardon which I think is an absolute long shot.

Need some help with my CoR documentation. I was recently reviewing the court order on my certificate of rehabilitation, CoR), and noticed an odd couple of things the court listed. I read the law and according to my lawyer, the CoR does not release me from having to register. However, the court order checked the box stating that the petitioner is no longer required to register. The court also stated that the DOJ had to notify the court and the petitioner if they believe the law does require the petitioner to continue registering. So the question is am I relieved… Read more »

Only the CA DOJ can officially terminate 290 registration. Someone I know was granted a CoR for a conviction that was eligible for registration termination, a week or two before his birthday. The granting judge clearly advised him to register within five days of his birthday unless the DOJ updated their records, documented by a written notice. Petitioner had to renew his registration one more time, post CoR, to be on the safe side, and the DOJ letter arrived a few weeks later. If the court submitted paperwork to the DoJ ordering ending your registration and they do not catch… Read more »

Does anyone know if NV does a CoR or anything like that??? This whole AWA thing has made my fiancee lose multiple jobs now and it’s just rediculous

Over the past 20 years, even while on supervision, I was politically active, was an active member of my religious community, served on the board of a non-profit, held a job, started a company, traveled, and built a relationship. Did being on the registry make all that more difficult? Without a doubt. Did it sometimes limit the level of my interactions or participation? You bet. Did I get angry and bitch and moan about it? Many times. I get it that being on the registry is a difficult thing. I’ve been playing their game for nearly 20 years. But, I… Read more »

Hey All,

is there anyone out there that can help with any sort of employment opportunities? I have applied all over my state (CT) and have had no luck with anything. Companies are not allowed to ask about criminal history in an application/interview but I am having trouble even getting to the interview stage. I’m sure a simple google search will reveal to the potential employer my sordid past. Any suggestions on where to go? I would even move states if it meant gainful employment. Running out of steam here…and I need something soon.

Try Sodexo Corporate Food Services. I’m in Colorado and have been with them for over 10 years, with my past never becoming an issue. I told my last manager because I knew him and felt he had to know. In fact he hired another RC as the dishwasher! He eventually got off the registry. But anyways, try them. Sodexo. No campus services or schools obviously. Look for them in high rise office buildings, have a satellite cafeteria on site. But only if your interested in kitchen work. Hope it works out for you. God Bless.

Thanks, I’ll have to take a look. A used to work at a restaurant many years ago so I know the world well. I’m praying hard each day that something opens up or I am able to start my own business and hire those with backgrounds. I appreciate the help! I would one day like to visit Colorado, like the skiing areas. I lived in Alps for a year and I’ve heard that parts of Colorado are similar.
Take care!

UPS used to hire registered individuals to work in their sorting facilities. I worked there are few years ago. Worth a try. I suspect that the union has something to do with this, so maybe seek out other union shops if this doesn’t work out.

What ever happened to the RC that posted as “David Kennerly?” I always enjoyed his comments and hope he is OK.

Oh, aren’t you sweet! Thanks for the compliment! I’m still here, lurking mostly these days. And I’m fine, thank you. I changed my name so as to appear more threatening 🙂 Still, no one appears scared.

Happy new year!!

OMG, D.I.K., that was you wearing the trenchcoat, hiding in the bushes??
If I had known, I would have said “Hi!”
As it was, I mistook you for a member of the Law Enforcement Registry Nazis, spying on the rest of us very real, very normal, very ordinary, regular human beings! 😁.
‘Glad you are okay, D.I.K. 👍😊

That’s my cape I’m wearing, not a trenchcoat. I reserve that for spying on our common enemies!

So glad to know you’re still among the living, old chum. 🙂

Alright it is 2020 what is the current status of the efforts to amend the tiered registry law that begins going into effect 01.01.2021?

@AB This is what I came to post about. As I understand it, there will be people who will be moved up in tiers with the addition of increased reporting requirement and exposed address. I guess it’s time to mount a (class action)? but I don’t know where to begin and what basis to challenge that, I was on the list of people who where in a county referenced in the first ACLU response to Jessica’s law. There is a phone call coming for that again but is there someone here that can provide the initial steps in how to… Read more »

There’s currently nothing in the new tiered registry that’ll require more frequent registration regardless of your tier. The only people that do and will continue to register quarter are those deemed as SVP. And to be an SVP requires a physiological evaluation with the conviction. I think most people are just assuming this’ll happen due to other states having different reg frequencies based on tiers.

@Will Allen

Pray tell us how the Registry has help you become wealthy and made you more successful than 99.9% of the Registrants which has made you happy as your writing obviously reflects.

Perhaps you could be our trailblazer and write a book on how you’re doing it so we too could be wealthy and bankrupt the system.

Hey why hold back? If there were 900,000 Will Allen’s we could bankrupt the whole nation.

Tell us how to really do it so we won’t be lame, weak, and lazy as you have most eloquently pointed out.

Spill it out man.

@Bill (https://all4consolaws.org/2020/01/general-comments-january-2020/comment-page-1/#comment-240366): You responded to SR but I saw my name, so I’ll respond. But first, let me give you some great advice that I always try to follow: 1. Don’t jump to conclusions. 2. Don’t be defensive. 3. Have an open mind. Anyway, I’ll try to be brief. When I was arrested and very, very briefly jailed, I lost a lot (of what I had at the time, it’s all relative). I lost a stable, long-term six figure job. Lost my marriage. Lost about $100K. Everyone seemed to turn on me, hate me, and want nothing to do with… Read more »

@Dram For those like CP who will be placed in tier 3 with their registry data being made available on the internet the new tiered registry is a real nightmare. There are/were several legal minds who posted on this site in the past who made their opinion that mounting a class action is an incredibly high bar to get a successful lawsuit. Alternatively gather a few people who can demonstrate harm and pursue a law suit would have a higher chance at success. The hardest part in my opinion is father funds and finding an attorney who would be most… Read more »

@AB Not sure what you are actually desiring in answer to your post. Recently this site announced the legal actions they are planning to pursue their n the overall goal. The legal action does not address your question or n the tiered law. Unfortunately, to get any changes to the tiered law will require a seated politician in California’s legislative houses to sponsor the bill and garner support. Per previous reports most politicians who have been supportive of efforts to revise the registry are in a wait and see more to see how the massive changes from the tiered registry… Read more »

Should have clarified: I have a federal conviction for possession of cp. Officially California does not have the words “possession of child pornography” as a criminal offense. It’s something along the lines of possession of indecent material depicting minors under eighteen. Federal law does have “possession of child pornography” as a criminal offense. Yes, both laws are referring to the same type of content, but legally they are different laws. Under the tiered registry the felony violation of the California law is placed into tier three. There’s a debate about whether or not out of state and federal offenses will… Read more »

The tiered registry has language for non-CA convictions. They’ll basically find the equivalent in CA law and place you as such. If there isn’t an equivalent, then I believe it’s up to the judge or something to figure it out. It’s probably a safe bet that your CP conviction will be treated the same as the CA version. The registry also goes into effect on Jan 1st, 2021. Then in the next six months the DOJ will be sending out letters to everyone to let them know where they’re placed. Then on July 1st, 2021 people can start to petition… Read more »

@ SR — I couldn’t reply directly to your post but.. “The one exception is for people who don’t have a Static-99 whose crime would otherwise have one were it committed since the Static-99 implantation. For these people, there will be an additional 2-year wait to be able to petition per the bill language, even if they would otherwise qualify to petition ASAP.” Where does it mention in the bill. I’m not well-versed on the tiered registry bill. If most people don’t have Static-99 score, doesn’t this mean it’s really a 22-year waiting period (minimum)? I’ve been to a few… Read more »

Oh, Geeze…SR, what you write is soooooo distressing to me, and I suppose, all similarly situated individuals. “The one exception is for people who don’t have a Static-99 whose crime would otherwise have one were it committed since the Static-99 implantation. For these people, there will be an additional 2-year wait to be able to petition per the bill language, even if they would otherwise qualify to petition ASAP.” ********** This makes me so crazy….I have a very old conviction, 1985, and having a full expungement and no further trouble, as I am certain is true for most of us,… Read more »

Here’s a link to the bill. The first mention of this extra wait period is in the opening paragraphs. From there, you can do a keyword search for “determined” to find a few more mentions. While they don’t specifically tie this to the Static-99 (some other factors might in include them trying to find an equivalent code for out-of-state convictions), one of the determining factors of being placed into any tier is the Static-99 since a score of 6+ can automatically place you into Tier 3 regardless of your actual conviction. Not having a Static-99 score for non-CP convictions is… Read more »

@ab. Finally someone in my shoes! Being Federal makes it so much more complicated! Although Janice and crew are great, I feel like I’m always asking for clarification since I live by two laws (Federal and State). Trying to figure out how my CP is going to fit into the new law is twice as frustrating. In my case the “victims” never had an age identified thus it further complicates things. I had no idea you could reduce or eliminate the CP at the Federal levels. And, first time I’ve heard CP possession didn’t get a Static-99. Do you have… Read more »

@Will 1)At what conclusion did you think I jumped? 2)”Don’t be defensive.”You ask the very thing from me that you yourself have been unable to do in this forum. 3)If I didn’t have an open mind I would’ve not asked you in the first place. Sure it was facetious but I was also curious. And frankly your writing is incendiary in a way that invites criticism. Expect people to respond in kind. And I’m sorry how your life was thrown into this mess that cost you your family, home, and a job. And thank you for clarifying how the Registry… Read more »

Yeah, not exactly a mic drop, but sure.

We could go back and forth with some of this for a long time I expect. That would be okay I guess but probably no need. I definitely have other things to do this weekend.

But yeah, you are correct that my writing is incendiary and invites criticism. My thoughts and ideas are ugly and hateful. But that’s war. Everyone in Amerika must suffer from war unfortunately.

I hope you and all people who oppose Registries have a good day.

@Will Allen

I agree you do have other things to do…that is better than the divisive screed you put out on this forum.

I would like to know the difference in context between why the ACLU took up a challenge to Jessica’s law, barring it from implementation , and the tier registry change coming up if it increases penalties to some registrants? In the final outcome it was barred from applying to those prior to its passage?

⭐⭐⭐ Please, everyone in California, if you can join us for ACSOL Lobbying Day, in Sacramento, on February 11th 2020, please absolutely do join us!! A strong show of numbers – many folks like you and me – is important to getting the legislators to listen to us!! ⭐⭐⭐
⭐⭐ PLEASE join us if you possibly can! ⭐⭐

For those of us who cant, there must be other ways we can help in the lobbying effort, such as letter writing to state representatives, senators, and the governor!

What do you think . This organization ” ACSOL” has done more to help me deal with my situation than any thing else. There are over 100,000 others out there , many who don’t know about ACSOL. Getting more people involved will help us all. and help them also. I have thought about options on how to let other , members of our club , know about ACSOL. A thought is to ask the sheriffs office where I register if they would be willing to hand out a pamplet about ACSOL. to those who register. I have no idea how… Read more »

@Doug

YouTube videos outlining what is wrong with the Registry and how it doesn’t help prevent future abuses could help educate the public.

Forcing it into a national dialog is always a good start…

As one of the many on the registry, being placed on it in 2005 when they changed the laws, (my offense was in 1989), I served my 5 years probation with an SIS. I have been doing some research and found that being added to the registry 15 years after the fact, is indeed a violation of my constitutional rights of being punished twice for the same offense. They can twist it all they want, but facts are facts… Cornell university law states that putting a person’s past criminal history into a public forum, which the registry is, constitutes “public… Read more »

I have a charge for Indecency with a Child by Exposure (3rd degree felony) Took the plea deal 5 years probation, 10 years post registration (Deferred Adjudication). I asked on avvo.com if I could get off probation early and here are couple responses I got which is not the answer I was hoping for….. lawyer 1 – The Legislature recently made certain offenders of certain offenses ineligible for early termination. Yours is one of those crimes. It is that the crime was committed with “a child” that places you in a special group of offender. The law will have to… Read more »

Eli ~ You can check with Texas Voices. It is a similar organization to this one, and there is a phone number and e-mail address. I don’t think they have an actual forum for members, though, like we do.

Need a quick answer. My employer would like me to go to a conference in California, will be there for only 3 days if I go. Do I have to register if only for 3 days?

My employer wants me to attend a conference in California which will last 3 days. I am not currently required to register in my state of residence.

I have called two attorneys in California and both said I should be fine as long as I don’t stay over 30-days. However, the travel chart and other references say all offender shall register within 5 days of entry to the state, which is it?

My convictions are:
Article 120-B1 (2004) “Carnal Knowledge” which equals P.C. 261.5 (which I guess is not registerable)
Article 125-B1 (2004) “Sodomy of a minor” which equals P.C. 286(b) (which is a 10-year registration)

The age difference was 8 years, and I was convicted 14 years ago. I think I’m free from registration in California. Correct me if I am wrong.

Dear John Doe: As a practical matter, if you are sure you are good for 5 days, which I am certain is the absolute minimum before triggering anything…why not just be sure to be gone from CA within 5 days? Over Christmas I had to travel north from CA and spent a night coming and going in Las Vegas. LV is a 48 hour trigger and I was gone both times within 24 hours each stay….why chance the gods? as I say. ( I will note that on Saturday night, there seemed to be Los Vegas Police making busts everywhere… Read more »

Well, for those whom have been following, and those who haven’t, here is my last filing in the Ninth Circuit which is spawned from an accumulation of an almost three year journey and some devoted individuals who have been there the entire processes.
https://ufile.io/w6895al0
This is just a final rebuttal so it is short and to the points, the record is extensive in this case already.

@Mike r

Sending good thoughts, prayers, and mojo your away and the filing’s way as it goes through the system. May you finally get some relief of this in the end.

@mike r

Well written doc.

Wow, Mike, wow. Solid. Ignoring this pleading would/will demonstrate willful disregard for the court’s judicial duty toward you. Thanks for sharing.

@ Mike R, I like how you’re not trying to overturn Smith v Doe, but using it as the foundation that the current implementation of the registration goes beyond Smith v Doe, which is what Michigan’s Doe v Snyder compared (which also included in-person registration as going beyond Smith v Doe). I also do like how you identify current laws that are still being implemented that are unconstitutional as ruled by the California Supreme Courts. Rather than piecemeal one law out, you’re actually applying it to the whole registry. If one part is faulty, then the whole regime must be… Read more »

So I did my yearly here in California a couple of weeks ago and I noticed something I hadn’t seen before. I mean, I’m sure it’s always been there I’ve just hadn’t really paid attention. In the list of the items and conditions you need to read and initial, the very first one says “Duty to register is for life except as provided in 290.5 or 290.05 [I think that’s what it said] or by court order.” “… or by court order.” So… how does one go about getting one of these magical court orders that removes their duty to… Read more »

Jesus H ~ That part has been on the paperwork, and it is actually 290.005 and 290.5. 290.005 refers to out of State convictions. 290.5 shows both the before July 1 2020 registration law (before the new Tiered Registry) and the future law (after the Tiered Registry goes into effect). I am not 100% sure, but I believe the court order remark refers to a COR or Pardon maybe? On another note, in reading the article on 290.5, it says that a person can petition to be removed (once the tiered registry is in effect) IF they met the requirements… Read more »

I’m not on the public registry and just this past year got my offense reduced and expunged. It was a 288.2.(a)(1)

Not sure where that’s going to put me on the tiered list. I’m halfway to my 10 years though so I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.

Heck, hopefully before then people will come to their senses and strike this whole thing down.

JesusH: I’m in the same boat as you. Only difference is mine was a 288.2(a)(2). I’ve also been reduced and expunged. As you know, misdemeanors mostly are supposed to be tier 1, but as you also know, our offenses are named by code section as belonging in tier 3. But, as you also know, our sections, even as felonies, are not considered serious or violent felonies as described in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5 or subdivision (c) of Section 1192.7. Where does that land us? Heaven knows. Regarding your question about “court orders,” there was a time when a judge… Read more »

Curiouser… Tier 3? Really? I did NOT know that. I have tried looking through the bill and couldn’t figure it out so stopped trying. I just figured there’s now way this could be as effed up as that and of course I was in Tier 1, I’m not even listed on the website! Does tier 3 mean I’d be listed on the website? If so, that just can’t be right. I carefully weighed all the options when I took the plea and decided it was the best course of action for me and my family. Not listed, no jail, etc.… Read more »

INTERNET EXCLUSION APPLICATION Has anyone every applied for this and been successful? It comes from California Department of Justice. I have a Certificate of Rehabilitation /
Thanks

@Mot

Can you elaborate what the
INTERNET EXCLUSION APPLICATION is? I never heard of that…

After I got my Cert of Rehab I still have to register and am still on Megan so I checked and found out only the CA Dept of Justice can remove me now. SO I emailed them and got back a REQUEST FOR INTERNET EXCLUSION APPLICATION ; so just asking if anyone has tried and got this?

@Mot

If you do an internet search for California Megan’s law exclusion, there are a very specific set of offenses for which one can request the internet exclusion.

Basically its felony sexual battery, misdemeanor child molestation, and any offense that did not involve penetration or oral copulation where the victim was a close family member.

If I remember correctly under the new tiered registry for tier 2, if you have completed 10 years with no additional offenses you can be removed from the internet (it’s been awhile since I looked at that closely so I might be wrong).

Has anyone traveled to Puerto Rico for a short vacation and registered (or didn’t) with the local police? How did that go? My wife and I are going in February and I will be registering my change of address at home before I leave and I assume the police here will call the PR police to let them know I’m coming, so I will have to register when I arrive there. What are the procedures?

Why do you have to register a change of address? Just go to Puerto Rico and follow their rules.

I was supposed to go to Puerto Rico during the holidays until I was advised by my attorney NOT to go since an RC is required to register within 3 days of arrival and it is unknown if they remove anyone from their list once they leave the island. So I went to Seattle instead (Washington is 10 days before registering kicks in). My mom went ahead to P.R. and talked with the authorities and she was told that even for a short visit, an RC is REQUIRED to register within 72 hours. So that registry list of all 50… Read more »

stop demanding stuff like anything is owed to you. im sure laws changed and it does take time to update… that is a friendly advisory

Very interesting information to hear, thanks for sharing. I just find it so shocking that too many people think it is acceptable that if a person who has fully completed a legal sentence travels to another state or territory that he/she actually has to report to the law enforcement criminals (LECs) that he/she is there. That is not acceptable. Even if we pretend that the Registries are acceptable, reporting to LECs for even very limited travel is not. It would be a tiny bit more acceptable, but still not, if the limit were 72 hours. Even better if 1 week… Read more »

P.C. 288.2 is tier three as the law is currently listed. Not that it really matter, but a number of people have been talking about 664/288(a)s and 288.2s getting reduced or expunged. These must be for those that did not get prison but only county time and/or probation, correct?

I did receive a Certificate of Rehabilitation for my 664/288(a) in Los Angeles County Superior Court; my offense was 18 years ago and required 4 letters of character reference and a letter from a psychologist showing my treatment and “very unlikely to reoffend” used Public Defender for the court. I did serve 22 months in prison

“These must be for those that did not get prison but only county time and/or probation, correct?”
For the 1203.4, yes. For the CoR…as Mot indicated, that is not the case.

Is there a conflict between the COR and 1203.4? Which is considered the better to have? I keep getting conflicting reports but have been told that is 2021 my COR will get me off Megan and off need to register

In the lifetime scheme and updated law in 2007, to potentially get off the registry (if the conviction qualifies), a person needed to earn the 1203.4 first before applying for the CoR. The CoR carries far more weight when it comes to registrants. Typical probation levied is about 3-years. Complete it successfully and you earn 1203.4 automatically. To earn the CoR, you need to wait at least 10 years to petition. Earning this should carry a lot of weight going onto the new tiered system as a judge already passed judgement that you’re rehabilitated by law. Good luck in mid… Read more »

@mike r First, keep up the battle glad to see you are still fighting the legal war. I can not speak to the 288.2 For 664/288(a) there is strange loop that allows someone to get a 1203.4 and then get a CoR. The California courts ruled an attempted crime is not the same as the actual crime. With that ruling the 664 (which is attempted) became eligible for the 1203.4. To get the CoR one must first get the 1203.4 … so that loop allows an attempted 288(a) to obtain both. The wording of the law states only that those… Read more »

mike r: If you’re referring to me, my 288.2 offense was a wobbler (charged as a felony of course) with a formal probation sentence. I was actually charged prior to the re-write of 288.2 which was changed to encompass the “sexting” thing. My offense involved sending non-cp material to a minor via electronic means. As soon as probation ended, we sought and obtained 1203.4 expungement and 17(b) PC reduction. Obviously, the tricky part is, as you pointed out, that the 288.2 section wound up in Tier 3 after the revamp of the bill. Of course, this creates a contradiction within… Read more »

It’s happened. Someone used the registry to try to shame a completely innocent business owner.

Several letters were sent to surrounding businesses claiming to be the New Jersey AG or its office warning about a man who owned a business. The police have indicate it’s a hoax, and they are going all out to find out who sent the letters.

Too bad real registrants who receive far worse harassment only get the “file it and we’ll get around to it maybe” attitude when we file a complaint.

https://abc7ny.com/5829913/

Yes. We’re shamed 24/7 ~ infinity and no one gives a flying F.

The hate against us is normalized and considered reasonable and acceptable!

I don’t foresee a new age of enlightenment happening anytime soon, so it looks like we’ll forever be at the mercy of public opinion. People are easily led with fear and ignorance when it comes to their kid’s safety.

I saw on a different forum recently that someone called an RP a “Citizen Required to Register”. I wrote the following in response to that: I’ve been reading and writing a LOT about the illegal Registries for over 2 decades and I can’t actually recall seeing that label before! I find that surprising. I think that it is very, extremely, critically important to brand the people who are listed on the Registries with some good, accurate label. “Registered Citizen” and “Registered Person” is being widely used. Those work fairly well for me. But I’m not too keen on the “citizen”… Read more »

So, it appears you can only get a 1203.4 if you did not receive a prison sentence only probation. In order to get a CoR you must first get a 1203.4, so since I fought it and went to prison it appears I am stuck with it. Correct me if I am wrong.

@mike r Apparently, Mot was not eligible for the 1203.4 as he went to prison, but was eligible for a CoR. The CoR was an outlet if one was not able to get 1203.4. I suppose this attempted conviction fits that criteria. Mot went through a public defender. He’d be the best person to acquire the necessary info upon this. According to a san diego CoR pdf, the only sex crimes ineligible for the CoR are 286(c), 288, 287(c), or former 288a, 288.5, or 289(j). Thus, Mot was convicted of attempted 288(a) which is classified as 664/288(a). So therein lies… Read more »

But @Mott stated,
“I did receive a Certificate of Rehabilitation for my 664/288(a) in Los Angeles County Superior Court; my offense was 18 years ago and required 4 letters of character reference and a letter from a psychologist showing my treatment and “very unlikely to reoffend” used Public Defender for the court. I did serve 22 months in prison”

So I am confused with the prison aspect.

And what exactly did the CoR do for you?

I have been told that once he Tiered goes into effect I can present the COR to a judge and be relieved of registering and Megan Website…I had hoped and been told that it would be NOW but the last I heard it is not until 2021

Mot,
No, a COR will not automatically get you relieved from registering once the tiered system takes effect. A COR will only help you convince the judge you are rehabilitated and no longer a danger. This makes it easier for the judge to grant you relief from registering.

@ mike r I am not a lawyer, so that’s my caveat. I read the law the same as you that if you went to prison as a sex offender you are denied access to the 1203.4 and because of that also the certificate of rehabilitation. There are a few limited benefits of obtaining the certificate of rehabilitation as a person required to register. The first benefit is that your status as having to register can not be used as the sole reason to deny you a state license. Second, the CoR is the court declaring you fully rehabilitated and… Read more »

Does anyone know if NV has anything like a CoR or a 1203.4???

On a different note altogether, MIT is making a big fuss over Jeffrey Epstein donating money to them and visiting the campus. Epstein is dead, so what is this…self-flaggilation for the error of their ways?? And with regard to Epstein visiting my their campus, so what?? He wasn’t there regularly, he was neither a professor nor student, so is every PRR (Person Required to Register) to notify every college/university every time they step on campus? If I go to a college for a community townhall meeting, am I supposed to register with campus police? For being there one hour?? Surrounded… Read more »

It reminds me of the misguided outrage people had over ART on display at a campus that a SO had created. Society has a conniption over anything “sex offender” and subsequently deems everyone guilty by association and “judged by the company that you keep.”

You shouldn’t hate people who’ve done nothing to you simply because they belong to a group, but this behavior and mindset is not only condoned, but encouraged in America.

Megan’s Law is actually worse than racism.

Florida lawmakers want their addresses and phone numbers hidden from the public — but they’re more than willing to put OUR information on the internet ….. and never ever take it down since you can never leave the Florida registry. They want all privacy and we get none?

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/01/22/florida-lawmakers-want-same-privacy-as-cops-and-judges-but-why/

🤣🤣🤣 Hahaha!! I knew it was just a matter of time! And if it saves one car from a collision, it’s well worth it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ten-Oh-See!! 🤣

https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/proposed-tn-bill-would-create-tbi-registry-for-repeat-dui-offenders/

Wait, no specially marked License Plates?? No Driver’s Licenses emblazed with “DUI Driver”?? What gives, 10-O-C??

Really 😆 lol DUI list

Meh, it’s a very, very lame Registry. Why only recidivists? Why for only 2 or 5 years? Every single person convicted of a DUI should be Registered on the first offense and for a minimum of 10 years. A second offense probably ought to be 30 years and then life after that. Those criminals recidivate like crazy. What will we call them? “Impaired Offenders”? I have a right to know where these people live and work. I have a right to know if they might be driving my children or near my children. Further, they certainly need to be restricted… Read more »

Hmmm. 🤔 Yes, cannot operate a vehicle within 1,000 feet of a school, playground, or other places children congregate. Etc. Etc. I think there’s a bright future for this DUI Registry and all its future restrictions, requirements, etc! Something to keep lawmakers busy. Oh, and let’s not forget:. We need to make it retroactive!! 🤔

@Will: “Message to Registry Supporters/Terrorists…”. Yet you support a DUI registry? Or are you being sarcastic?

Well, there can be 0 Registries or there has to be 100+. It’s that simple to me. And not these lame, local, 2 and 5 year Registries. Nope, they must be national, public, lifetime Registries, with ALL of the extra harassment. Impaired Offender Registries make as much sense as $EX Offender Registries ($ORs). In many cases, they make a lot more sense. For example, it certainly makes a lot more sense to keep Impaired Offenders away from schools, parks, etc. It certainly makes more sense to confine those people on Halloweens. Unlike a large percentage of people who are listed… Read more »

My guess is most/many that aren’t on a registry, or have a family member or close friend on one, don’t have a problem with registries. If asked, many would probably also assume that they make the world safer (thanks in big part to misinformation in the media, LE, etc). While I wouldn’t wish registration on anyone, I also believe that nothing would collapse registries quicker than having them for this, that and the other. DUI’s, animal abusers, people that have been convicted of neglect, home invaders, dead beat dads and moms that fail to pay their court ordered child support,… Read more »

@MS you might be on to something here. Best case with fighting the SOR’s on their own they get scaled back but never go away. Maybe the way to end the sex registries is expansion by promoting and advocating for their implementation for every other crime. Even chronic speeders need to be on a registry.

I’m all for it! I have a right to know who I’m sharing the road with when I take my kids to school. I’ve a right to know if the parent offering to give my kids a ride home from extracurricular activities is a lush behind the wheel of a 3000 pound deadly weapon!
I have a right to know if the fucking blabber mouth bitch (sorry, was that out loud?) living on my street has a record of putting the entire neighborhood at risk whilst selfishly imbibing in alcoholic beverages. Registries for all!

@C: where is this “right” listed?

We definitely need this and by the way Minnesota has special license plates for people’s cars for DUI offenders.

We also must have a public registry for thieves. Their recidivism rate has to be darn near 100% and I really do need to know who might steal from me before I live next to them or do business with them. And they need to stay at least 1000ft from any retail eatablishment at all times.

@M C:
“We definitely need this and by the way Minnesota has special license plates for people’s cars for DUI offenders.”
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This is only partially true. While the “whiskey plates” (how appropriate!) used to be only for DUIs, many years back they were expanded to other “high crimes.” Pretty much any offense that leads to a suspension of one’s driver license can yield a W plate in MN, including non-driving “crimes” like non-payment of child support.

Oh Tennessee, I forgot that you also have a State animal abuser registry!
LOL 🤣 Forget “The Volunteer State” – Tennessee will soon be “The Registry State”!! 🤣🤣🤣

“”Sullivan County Assistant District Attorney Blake Watson said if the bill passed, the online registry could be enormous. “This list could grow astronomically, potentially,” he said. Watson said the Tennessee Highway Patrol arrested more than 7,000 individuals for DUI in 2017 alone, and the number of offenders could make the registry difficult to maintain. “You’ve got a large, large number of individuals. The other complicated factor, unfortunately, is recidivists, so you’re just going to be going back and adding these same people,” said Watson. The bill calls for offender’s names to be on the list for two years after a… Read more »

With DUI drivers, recidivism and public safety really ARE significant! 😠 How often do police or EMTs have to contend with a non-cooperating or “consenting” victim of a DUI accident? That’s not even a real question. Unless the other driver/victim is ALSO intoxicated, then they are truly an innocent victim!

Personally, I DO think a DUI Registry is a very good idea for public safety because of the exceptionally high rate of DUI recidivism. Why should DUI drivers get a pass …. just because “Oh, it could happen to o anyone.”?? (Yes, I am being serious, NOT sarcastic.)

And, yes, we also need a DV registry, a weapons offense registry, and an assault registry.
I genuinely believe the more Registries, the better. And here’s why: As more and more people end up on registries, eventually, the public will have to start paying serious attention to registries and whether or not:
1. Are registries punishment?
2. Do registries truly provide any public safety benefit at all?
3. Should we even have public registries at all??

@David

Only when someone that someone else knows or loves or themselves has been placed on one will what you excellently say become possibly applicable. Until then, ignorance is Bliss.

And for the record here as I’ve mentioned previously, Ohio has a driving under the influence registry but it takes 5 convictions from that issue for them to have to register.

I say a list for everything from unpaid bills to full on murder make everything retroactive. That way we are all under one umbrella. I would love to see this. Cuz stuff would change fast and people would then understand how much harm it dose. Hey if they do make a list for DUI some politicians will be on there most likely lol

I’m thinking someone who routinely puts the lives of others in danger by knowingly driving while intoxicated is significantly more dangerous than a guy who peed in public, but hey, that’s just me.

CA is a prime SB destination every so often.

Super Bowl Sex-Trafficking Myths Return
And they’re just as wrong and dangerous this time around.

https://reason.com/2020/01/10/super-bowl-sex-trafficking-myths-return/

In Defense of White Vans: They are Not Coming to Kidnap Our Kids, No Matter What it Says in Your Facebook Feed

https://letgrow.org/in-defense-of-white-vans/

There could a an Urban Legend section related to topics we discuss here that are myths….

Just read an article (that I won’t provide here for reading by the masses, but in Iowa (only in Iowa…)) a man who molested numerous children is released from incarceration because he was deemed to be not a threat after identifying as a woman (you can research it yourself if you’d like to read it).

We can discuss assessments for being identified as non-threats, but to identify as another gender is a new way (to get out of incarceration no less) and one I’m not sure will be seen in the long run as viable.

Update on being removed from the obligation to register. Nearly 2 months ago I successfully earned my CoR. About a month ago I posted on here because I noticed my paperwork said I was no longer obligated to register. Per advice I received I expected the CA DoJ to object and that I would have to continue registering until implementation of the tiered registry. Today I received a phone call from my local sheriffs office, and they informed me that the DoJ had notified them that I no longer was required to register. My wife checked Megan’s Law webpage and… Read more »

@Interested Party

Congratulations! I’m so happy for you and your family.

Thanks for sharing your story. It gives me something to look forward to!

I am wondering what the “Therapy” portion of my probation was supposed to achieve. I was unvolved in a group program, but the other 4 individuals were more or less sex addicts( cheating on wife, solicitation, hanging out at rub n tugs) mine was a misdomeanor cp charge stemming from a “good guys” reporting when I had my hard drive cleaned. Since They didn’t prove I had downloaded the photos (12 img) they gave me a felony possession with reduction to misdomeanor upon successful probation. I was not participating in mandated group therapy to the proctor’s satisfaction( I simply couldn’t… Read more »

I don’t mean to dismiss your problems, but you have many first time offenders on this forum who comitted the same offense you did AND went to prison for many years, plus they have felony records, supervision, can’t be on the internet posting comments, and have to attend 2 hr a week mandated group therapy with facilitators telling you in front of a group that your cp possession offense is just as bad as the other person in the group who raped their 9 year old niece. So your state really gave you a 2nd chance with misdemeanor probation. You’ll… Read more »

@Waste of my time, I think you’d find varying degrees from people who have been to therapy as far as what it has done for them. I found treatment / therapy to be a useful exercise, at least for me. At the same time I don’t believe that it reduced my likelyhood to reoffend either because I can guarantee a reoffense would never have happened therapy or no therapy. So in that regard it was unnecessary, expensive and time consuming. I don’t think thats the same for everyone. I knew people in it was very useful for and probably had… Read more »

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