ACSOL’s Conference Calls

Conference Call Recordings Online
Dial-in number: 1-712-770-8055, Conference Code: 983459

Monthly Meetings: Nov 21, Dec 19 – Details / Recordings

Emotional Support Group Meetings 2020 (Phone only)

California

CA: New California law to make it easier for former inmate firefighters to turn pro

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new bill Friday that will accelerate the process for expunging the felony records of formerly incarcerated volunteer firefighters.

The new law is designed to make it far easier for them to earn an emergency medical technician certification, the first step in becoming a professional firefighter in most cities and counties. Full Article

From AB 2147:

1203.4b. (a) (1) If a defendant successfully participated in the California Conservation Camp program as an incarcerated individual hand crew member, as determined by the Secretary of the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, or successfully participated as a member of a county incarcerated individual hand crew, as determined by the appropriate county authority, and has been released from custody, the defendant is eligible for relief pursuant to this section, except that incarcerated individuals who have been convicted of any of the following crimes are automatically ineligible for relief pursuant to this section: …

(A) Murder.
(B) Kidnapping.
(C) Rape as defined in paragraph (2) or (6) of subdivision (a) of Section 261 or paragraph (1) or (4) of subdivision (a) of Section 262.
(D) Lewd acts on a child under 14 years of age, as defined in Section 288.
(E) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state prison for life.
(F) Any sex offense requiring registration pursuant to Section 290.
(G) Escape from a secure perimeter within the previous 10 years.
(H) Arson.

Join the discussion

  1. SR

    Why include parts C and D when they already fall under F?

    • New Person

      @SR,

      Exactly. Why include the C and D only to encompass it with the registry just reveals the blanket enforcement of the registry.

      There are some charges where some convictions get probation because it’s a misdemeanor or a wobbler. So if you’re able to get your wobbler reduced to a misdemeanor or earn a 1203.4, then you’re ability to reintegrate into society is scarred with being omitted from all these laws to help convicts reintegrate into society better.

      Are misdemeanors more dangerous than other misdemeanors? 1203.4 should give one the same equal benefits, but omitting a set of convicts who earned the 1203.4 or had a misdemeanor is unconstitutional. It’s akin to excluding registrants from the benefits of Prop 57.

      • G4Change

        “… but omitting a set of convicts who earned the 1203.4 or had a misdemeanor is unconstitutional.”

        I’ve often wondered if it isn’t an equal protection violation to let several felonies be expunged but not certain misdemeanors. I think it’s a major equal protection violation in my opinion.

  2. Brandon

    I take it the mentality of lawmakers is, ” Look folks can be raped while their house is on fire, so people forced into slavery need to be excluded.” Seriously there needs to be a competency test for lawmakers.

  3. Facts should matter

    (H) Arson.

    Well, duh?

    Yeah, don’t want to let the chief into the kitchen.

  4. A.D.A.T.

    Wouldn’t it be easier to just say, “ No one is allowed to hire a Registrant for ANY job, no matter their qualifications or offense”. In fact let’s go a step further. Let’s make ANY described sex offense a capital crime and be done with it. That’s really what they want to do, but their “compassion” won’t allow them to publicly say it.
    On a side note, why post these things on the site when all it does is re enforce the fact that we aren’t wanted or considered valuable to the community.

  5. Saddles

    Interesting about this fire fighter issue. I have a little confession to make with much of this going on this. I had never been around a firefighter until I started my business. Course all thats over as I gave it up many years even before I being involved in this issue, and yes I was around kids. Matter of fact I use to entertain kids.

    Yes I had write ups in the newspaper, took penelogy and learned a bit about government along the way which we all should understand plus a bit of constitutional issues. Even much of this internet issue is mind boggling.

    I use to be a magician. Did some first night’s, girls night out for the girl scouts events, magically introduced Santa Clause for a first night event, taught magic, sold magic also. One of my friends I had met had a business and he was in the hobby shop business. He happened to be a retired firefighter.

    I managed to impress on him about my magic, my first night events and other things at the time and he gave me some space for my magic shop in his store. Course he was into the training and model cars building model train layouts and things of that nature.

    One of my brothers was into that in jr. high and high school during the early 60’s. After a year or so he moved to a new location and was about ready to give my small business up myself as I had accomplished my goal which was to actually do a D.A.R.E. program which I did.

    Right now that train and hobby person is ready to give his business up and retire, yes he was glad to see me again. Course I told him about my ordeal a year or so before and he was very sympathic to me. Sure we are around kids daily when we go shopping and other ordeals. The main ordeal I see about this whole issue is the internet debauchery. Even one of the gals I met the other day I told her about my ordeal and she said she had heard about these internet things. So who’s doing the good, bad, and the ugly in many cases?

    One wonders what Paul did in real time situations in the Bible or was the stoning of Stephen government approved for a safety reason or public safety. See two wrongs don’t make a right.
    Yes I have my scrapbook of my time as doing entertainment in my area. Guess one might say it was for community service. Much of the internet is just a communication and if one doesn’t listen well they can get caught up in this ordeal. Why did I not go down that First night. Why did I perceive that they would be on their the second night to entice me.

    Yes the many experiences of this registry are not really sound. Those government agencies will trick one into all this and use the excuse of public safety to justify much of their means.. Now if I have offended anyone on ACSOL forgive me. At times we don’t know what we do and at times we all can be lead astray by crafty means.

    This firefighter issue out in CA is a good ideal to redeem one’s character and self worth or is the invitation only for some that qualify in good spirit.

    • Underdog

      Saddles, I appreciate your musings. They give cause to stop, think and consider an assortment of scenarios. It’s important to remember that battling the Registry and all connected stipulations isn’t just about overcoming legislation, it involves defeating a pervading mindset that is rooted in baseless hysteria. While I was on parole in Connecticut, a probation officer at one of my SO treatment sessions said, “Remember, if you have a minor stipulation and walk by a house that is on fire, you should make no attempt to rescue anyone. Since you don’t know if there is a minor inside, you should remove yourself from that area immediately.” Whether or not saving a minor from a fire would potentially constitute a violation is up for debate. However, the fact that the probation officer said it spoke volumes for the general attitude towards sex offenders. Untangling this knotted thinking will take time, but it’s certainly a worthy endeavor.

  6. Detroit

    They allow them to be firefighters for $2 a day but won’t hire them as firefighters for a livable wage. This won’t make any difference. First they won’t want sex offenders as firefighters, then they won’t want anyone with a drug conviction, then they won’t want anyone with a theft conviction, then they won’t want…

  7. Matt

    This is a “feel good law” that will do absolutely nothing. When positions for a professional firefighter career open up anywhere in California-Stan, thousands of qualified, competent men and women apply; every single time. There is absolutely no chance that any department, anywhere, would hire a person with any kind of criminal record when there are literally thousands of choices to pick from that don’t have a criminal record. The professional liars know this. They are doing it to say that they “are doing something” about criminal justice reform, even though they know for a fact that not a single individual will get a job out of this. It’s similar to when the California-Stan Department of Corrections added ” & Rehabilitation” to their title, and spent millions of dollars to change their logos, patches, etc. It’s all totally absurd and complete nonsense. Change will come when enough people decide to stop getting curb-stomped and choose to fight back at the federal and supreme court level. That’s the only way. It has always been the only way. You can’t force professional liars to do the right thing by trying to show them the difference between right and wrong. They don’t care. They never have and they never will.

Leave a Reply

We welcome a lively discussion with all view points - keeping in mind...  
  • Your submission will be reviewed by one of our volunteer moderators. Moderating decisions may be subjective.
  • Please keep the tone of your comment civil and courteous. This is a public forum.
  • Please stay on topic - both in terms of the organization in general and this post in particular.
  • Please refrain from general political statements in (dis)favor of one of the major parties or their representatives.
  • Please take personal conversations off this forum.
  • We will not publish any comments advocating for violent or any illegal action.
  • We cannot connect participants privately - feel free to leave your contact info here. You may want to create a new / free, readily available email address.
  • Please refrain from copying and pasting repetitive and lengthy amounts of text.
  • Please do not post in all Caps.
  • If you wish to link to a serious and relevant media article, legitimate advocacy group or other pertinent web site / document, please provide the full link. No abbreviated / obfuscated links.
  • We suggest to compose lengthy comments in a desktop text editor and copy and paste them into the comment form
  • We will not publish any posts containing any names not mentioned in the original article.
  • Please choose a user name that does not contain links to other web sites
  • Please send any input regarding moderation or other website issues to moderator [at] all4consolaws [dot] org
ACSOL, including but not limited to its board members and agents, does not provide legal advice on this website.  In addition, ACSOL warns that those who provide comments on this website may or may not be legal professionals on whose advice one can reasonably rely.  
 

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

.