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Trinidad establishes sex offender’s registry

Trinidad and Tobago has established a registry for sex offenders, but National Security Minister Edmund Dillon said it would only be available to the police. Full Article

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  1. Frank

    If these tiny shi*-hole countries must justify a registry…it’s for police eyes only. That part they have right. Isn’t that the way all registries in this country started out?
    That’s what I thought.

    • Timmr

      Well who in 1947 would have thought we would have what we have today? We had just defeated the fascists, didn’t we?
      It took about 20 years. Then crimes occurred anyway, people were harmed and instead of saying the Registry failed, they said it needs to be expanded to a publicly searchable list.
      It took about ten years. Then horrible crimes occurred anyway, more people were harmed and instead of saying the Registry failed, they said registrants’ movements need to be curtailed. Enter presence and residency restrictions.
      It took about five years. Then horrible crimes occur anyway. People are still harmed. 93% of the new sex crimes were committed by someone not on this registry. Then California applies Three Strikes and You’re Out law as a deterrent.
      Just a few years. Then it didn’t need a horrible crime to occur anyway to go further, the ball of punishment rolled of its own momentum, and instead of halting the punitive measures and approaching the problem from a different more inclusive but humane angle, they create a new name for the monster and call him sex trafficker and sex tourist and apply registration throughout the world.
      And when the next exceedingly rare but still horrible crime occurs anyway, or even if it is just imagined to have occurred, what will they propose next? Well if they follow the pattern, it will mean harming more people. California has once again been the leader and instituted One Strike and You’re Out for some crimes. How many more crimes will fall under that umbrella?
      When all the people convicted for sex crimes are in prison for life, the jails are over burdened and everyone is monitored or eliminated by an over bearing police infrastructure, the families left behind wards of the State, children’s education and health denied to pay for the prisons, and still a horrible crime occurs what will they do next?
      Trinidad, look to California and the US. The Registry was supposed to be a substitute, a preventative alternative to more incarceration. Now we have both widespread registration and longer prison sentences. Where does it end? Trinidad, learn from our mistakes. Can you afford to go on this path? Will the US pay for your prisons when it can no longer afford its own? Do not engage in what can only be described as chronic collective insanity.

    • Erwin

      I understand your frustration with the registries but don’t spread false information. Trinidad is not 3rd World. The country is one of the most developed in the Caribbean with a GDP per capita 20,000 a year. Even Mississippi has a GDP pretty close to Trinidad’s

      • Joe

        I have not been to either place, but saying Mississippi is comparable to Trinidad is not really a strong argument against the shi*-hole claim 🙂

        • Erwin

          Well, you got me there. But really, Trinidad is a nice place. My kin on my mother’s side is from there. I’ve been there a few times,and it’s just as much developed as wealthier Caribbean nations like the Bahamas & Barbados (where Rihanna is from). Now if you were talking about parts of Mexico, Haiti or the D.R…..that’s 3rd World

  2. Stephen

    You can bet our Justice Department had something to do with this. My hatred for our Government grows stronger every day.

  3. anonymously

    Look forward to the same problems caused by registries in the US. I wonder how the sex registry came to be there. Was it FaceBook or Lauren Book, or both, that got it going? I guess the former can be known by how soon internet identifier registrant mandatory self-reporting finds its way into these registries.

  4. TJ

    This entire sex offender registration industry has been fueled and probably funded by our government. It started here in our illustrious state in the 1940’s and this virus has spread around the world. It is truly sad to see where our country and the world is headed.

  5. Robert

    This has made in America written all over it.

    Pointless!

  6. Jason

    At least a third world country like Trinidad has enough sense to keep it out of the Public’s hand and in law enforcement’s hand only. We do have SOME stupid politicians here in America

    • Erwin

      Trinidad is not 3rd World. It is pretty developed by American standards

  7. Eric Knight

    Pragmatically, what’s the difference between a “police-only access” registry and a rap sheet? The cops have access to your felonies in any case. For the most part, when people hear of “registry,” they assume “Public Internet,” which in this case is exactly wrong.

    I am not in favor of registries, but let’s be blunt: Public, Internet registries are magnitudes worse in their effect than private, law enforcement-based registries.

    • Timmr

      I see the significant difference between registry and rap sheet is that we have to update our location information regularly. Failure to do so can result in long prison sentences. Also residency, travel and presence restrictions can be applied in a police only registry. Yes, there is a greater degree of security of person under the police only against public registry, unless the local law enforcement decides to distribute fliers with your name and picture in your neighborhood.

    • Joe

      What Timmr said…

      Did you really just compare the (even police only) registry to a rap sheet? Where to begin…

      A rap sheet is a historical snapshot – a record of a court proceeding, from the initial complaint to sentencing. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone who enters the criminal justice system has one. From the jaywalker to the serial murderer. It is public record, and anyone can go down to the pertinent jurisdiction and look up a case by case number or defendant name. I guess that is price of engaging in conduct which warrants an arrest, a formal charge and certainly a conviction.

      Having to register until your last breath and having to submit current information is a totally different animal. Your current weight and address is NOT part of your criminal case. Your current employer or your spouse’s car is NOT part of your criminal case.

      Having one foot in prison for not reporting a facebook account or your daughter’s car is NOT what you were sentenced to.

      For online registries, sitting half way around the world and typing in a zip code and seeing all kinds of offenders is one hundred percent different from going to the courthouse with specific search criteria. Being on the other side of the country and being informed by email that a person changed their current information could not be more different.

      As just happened in the State of Washington, there is nothing easier than this ‘police only’ information to make its way into the public realm. And once the genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back.

      One would have to assume that you misspoke or typed carelessly – as you know your stuff. Because the difference between the two could not be more stark.

  8. jo

    Are people really this amazingly stupid? If its available to police only, that same exact information is already available to police when they run someone anyway. Unreal.

  9. anonymously

    The US registry started out as a price club application. These 2 registries will be like the US registries eventually. These 3rd World foreign governments are easily succeptable to corruption. The registry itself is cruel and unusual punishment that requires special rules and, punishments for breaking those rules, that do not apply to any other class and thereby criminalizes normal acceptable behavior for registrants. It is a punishment to have your criminal history given to a foreign government that is not bound by the US Constitution as to what it can do with that information. Foreign governments have been known to kidnap Americans. Think John McCain. Adding IML legislation to the registry increases the already cruel and unusual punishment of the registry.

    • Joe

      “Foreign governments have been known to kidnap Americans. Think John McCain.” – are you SERIOUS? John McCain was a POW in North Vietnam – shot down in his plane during a mission to drop bombs on targets in the capital of a sovereign nation that had NOT ever attacked the United States of America.

      How about this?

      “The United States government has been known to kidnap foreign nationals from their own countries, including CHILDREN as young as 14, hold them, against all conventions international and domestic, as uncharged prisoners while torturing them. Think Guantanamo Bay”.

      And to bring it into context of this site, read about the practice of “rectal feeding”. If that is not sexual assault – by the US Government – then I do not know what is.

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-rectal-feeding-detainees
      https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/15/prosecute-cia-interrogators-sexual-assault

      Sheeesh.

  10. anonymously

    I am aware of ‘anal rehydrating’ as I have heard it called. Just because the US Government was involved in that and waterboarding does not mean that foreign governments will not do much worse things to someone since those governments have been known to do that kind of thing and are not bound by the US Constitution or US law. Now I’m thinking

  11. anonymously

    I have heard it argued that what the US did to detainees was not the US doing it, even though it was uniformed serviceman and women doing it. It was evil individuals who happened to be in uniform. And there was like one fall guy for all of this that that they prosecuted and one woman who got a lesser punishment .In any case, as bad as that was and it was horrible, John McCain when taken prisoner was abused and they messed his hands up so bad, he allegedly can’t use the internet and never has. McCain was kept so long because of who his Admiral father was. McCain suffered a worse fate because of the prejudice against him. When McCain flew that plane over Vietnam, he was acting under orders. He did not fly that plane on his own volition. He didn’t figure he’ll fly a plane over Nam for the hell of it. So they thought he would talk and they thought he was a prize to abuse and the prejudice was because of who he was. Unfortunately, the Viet Cong knew who McCain was. But if they didn’t, it wouldn’t have been right for the US Government to tell them who McCain was so they could decide to abuse him as bad as they wanted. The IML does exactly this. It’s a catalyst for abuse. Even if we can’t trust our government, with the possibility of rogue agents doing these misdeeds or it came from higher up, we still cannot trust all foreign governments capable of worse. In the past, Iran took US citizens hostage and the hostage takers have been connected to the Iranian Government. Its hard to know how now much ISIS has infiltrated many foreign governments. I don’t think the US should be handing condemning information about any US citizens over to them. I also don’t think the US should be aiding North Korea in the abuse of Americans. North Korea have kidnapped foreigners in their country and in other countries such as Japan and South Korea. Kim Jong-Il had a Japanese actress and film director kidnapped, enslaved and forced to make propaganda movies for North Korea. North Korea allegedly hacked Sony Pictures because they were mad about a movie made which was a comedy about killing their leader. Foreign governments known to kidnap, hack or abuse Americans cannot be trusted to adhere to, or expected to adhere to, US Constitutional principles. The IML is cruel and unusual punishment.

    • Timmr

      Yes, we could be extraordinarily rendered to these countries for what the US officials wish they could do to us themselves.
      Ah,no, Americans wouldn’t do that to their own citizens…

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