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LA: Too Poor for Freedom: Sex Offender Registry and the Fourteenth Amendment

If a school mandated uniforms and suspended a child too poor to afford them, there would be an uproar. Media would excoriate the school for denying the impoverished an education due to their financial circumstances. Many would wonder at the cost of a uniform relative to the school’s budget, suggesting that the school simply offer the child a simple uniform. As ever, our instinctive notions of justice and fair play seem to end at criminal court. In the state of Louisiana, a person required to register as a sex offender who cannot afford to do so, even if he or she turns himself or herself in to the police and asks for help, will be tried, found guilty, and sentenced to prison.[1] Inability to pay will not protect the sex offender from incarceration, nor will informing law enforcement and requesting aid. Under the current regulatory scheme, indigent sex offenders who have served their time have only prison in their future. Full Article

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  1. rick

    PRESS RELEASE ***please refrain from labeling your personal opinion a press release, or please source it properly. Moderator***

    In conjunction with the passage of the 28th Amendment today by an unknown group of legislators and the revision of the 14th Amendment States are not required to provide fugitive sex registry non-humans legal aid of any kind. Non-humans charged with sex offenses will be summarily convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned and denied any right of appeal. The writ of habeas corpus has also been declared off limits to those convicted. Do you want to know more?

    In a related deal, as a result of the savings in legal aid, all prosecutors and judges have received substantial raises and other benefits, including vacations to the Bahamas. Persons who bring charges resulting in convictions are paid 50,000 euro dollars for their time. Do you want to know more? Stay tuned.

    • rick

      I’m sorry, just realized it might appear as if ACSOL is responsible for what I have said in parody. It won’t happen again😇.

  2. Anon 23d384e21

    Luckily for a person on Parole in CA they can not DO ANYTHING If you OWE and DONT Pay. I OWE to RESTITUTION… MORE than a NEW car. This is for the ‘slush’ fund, not physical property damage.

    I am disabled and get less than 1K a month to LIVE ON.

    This wonderful state of CALIFORNIA will never see a PENNY. I do NOT have LAND/PROPERTY or anything like that. They can collect if I play the lottery, which I dont so Cant win something I dont play.

    It will SIT on their books the $$ I owe and they will NEVER SEE ONE RED CENT. I litterly keep a 0.01 in my bank account so if the SCUMS want to come after a bank account it will COST them 10000X more than they can get from the account.(Im sure they have to PAY to get a bank levy) and the LEVY is good for ONE TIME.
    I remember long ago the Franchise tax board went after my Chase Liguid PREPAID card for BACK DMV fee’s while I was locked up.. they got a whopping $0.61 ! Im sure it cost them more to get and do and process the levy than they got !
    Just as stupid as the direct mailers that sent me a prepaid envelope, I taped it onto a box full of bricks and sent it to them im sure they paid nicely for all that weight ! hahah
    My license can not be suspended (as it is is not child support/property damage restitution) and my case is long long over.)
    Funny thing court ordered it to be paid at something like $30 a month, never going to or will ever happen !
    Stupid judge knew my health situation and ordered it anyways. *RETARD ALERT* You cant suck blood from a turnip !
    Thanks god I was on PAROLE not probation. I dont ‘pay’ to register 290, I Didnt have to PAY RESTITUTION to ‘get off parole’ and never paid for a junk science poly. Unfortunately ive heard the opposite of probation, You have to PAY to get off, you have to PAY as a CONDITION and you have to pay for a junk science nobody to give you FAKE Science (POLY).

    This STATE is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY….
    I guess also thank god we really have NO RESTRICTIONS now that parole is over (residence parks,beach etc etc etc)

    • It is the about the principle....

      It is not about the money, but the principle of it all. They are already on the state payroll and must be paid to do work, so they find work to do regardless if they are going to get money because it is about the principle of it all. They may think they are going to make your life harder for the term, but in the end the taxpayer is actually the one who gets it in the shorts through misused and misspent taxes on efforts like this. That said, it is about the principle, not the money.

  3. rick

    Nice, cost them money, bankrupt them even further. Like the one about the prepaid envelope. Wonder if that worked, lol.

    • Anon 23d384e21

      Im pretty sure it worked as a month later I did another one clerk at the postal window said NO this is for MAIL reply only not to be taped on a box… that BRICK box was like 40LBS ahha 🙂 Id return the envelopes (for credit card offers) empty, they stopped sending them.

      A lil off topic but I HATE Jury notices, I replied once… IM A FELON, STOP, they replied WHAT DATE WHEN WHERE ETC…. and SIGN FORM…. I THREW IT AWAY, now when I get a jury notice I just toss em in file 13 (TRASH) If they HAUL ME in and then they will see im a felon, and dismiss it, another waste of time , IM all for WASTING the GOVT time and $$ now 🙂

      Ill tell you this IF I COULD be on a jury and it was a 187 case Id DEF find them NOT guilty after all the LIES the DA did on me and also coercion of my so called victim (all cases are different and mine was total BS)..
      (*stepping off poppet*) sorry if my rant offends anyone ;(

  4. rick

    Lol, some states, cities, and towns can’t provide anyone poor legal assistance, but they can waste millions on Sora’s. It’s beyond explanation anymore, maybe it’s true, the end is near. The rich have all the money.

  5. G4Change

    Can someone please explain to me how they can require someone who has completed all of their sentences to register and then PAY FOR REGISTRATION and if they don’t pay, they go to prison????
    HOW IS THIS LEGAL?????
    Forget if the person is indigent or not. I don’t care if the registered citizen is a millionaire. He/she should not have to pay a dime beyond his/her original fine.

    • New Person

      Because no one it tying this to involuntary servitude. Involuntary servitude is prohibited unless to punish a crime.

      Allow me to present the japanese internment camp wiki page tidbit here:

      The decision in Korematsu v. United States has been controversial.[2] Korematsu’s conviction for evading internment was overturned on November 10, 1983, after Korematsu challenged the earlier decision by filing for a writ of coram nobis. In a ruling by Judge Marilyn Hall Patel, the United States District Court for the Northern District of California granted the writ (that is, it voided Korematsu’s original conviction) because in Korematsu’s original case, the government had knowingly submitted false information to the Supreme Court that had a material effect on the Supreme Court’s decision.

      The Korematsu decision has not been explicitly overturned although in 2011, the Department of Justice filed an official notice[4] conceding that the then Solicitor General’s defense of the internment policy to be in error. However, the Court’s opinion remains significant both for being the first instance of the Supreme Court applying the strict scrutiny standard to racial discrimination by the government and for being one of only a handful of cases in which the Court held that the government met that standard.

      Now, I would like to point out that the Supreme Court used ERRONEOUS INFORMATION to be placed upon those convicted with crimes related to sex. The verbiage “frightening and high” is factually written on several policies against registrants.

      Here’s a dissent opinion for the Japanese Internment Camp case:

      Justice Frank Murphy issued a vehement dissent, saying that the exclusion of Japanese “falls into the ugly abyss of racism,” and resembles “the abhorrent and despicable treatment of minority groups by the dictatorial tyrannies which this nation is now pledged to destroy”. He also compared the treatment of Japanese Americans with the treatment of Americans of German and Italian ancestry, as evidence that race, and not emergency alone, led to the exclusion order which Korematsu was convicted of violating

      They key phrase here is “minority groups”, to which registrants are considered.

      So we have established that all these registrations and subsequent laws were created on false information, like Japanese Internment Camps.

      Now, the internment camps terms are far different than from registration. In California, it’s nothing or LIFETIME of duty to register. Duty is a service. Camps are like prisons. So there is a distinction.

      Convicts who finish their term are sill being forced to do work for the state or receive a felony penalty. This forced duty is for life. There is no reward for doing said duty for life. If you do not comply, then you will be hunted down, be put into prison, and once out, continue to register.

      See… that’s called involuntary servitude. So when Chief Justice says it’s like filling out a membership card, he did not realize that filling out a membership card is a service. If it is not punishment, then a person need not abide to do any service as well as not receive any punitive reproductions for it – by definition of involuntary servitude.

      The courts must take the layman’s perspective in respect to laws. You cannot compel someone to do a service for a lifetime without pay and with felony penalty if they do not do said service because it is prohibited in CA Constitution and USA Constitution. How all the court justices missed they are compelling free people into involuntary service baffles me.

      Everyone is trying to get at cruel and unusual punishment as well as equal punishment, otherwise it’s a blank check. Well, compelled service such as registration is prohibited if it not punishment. This simple concept has gone amiss.

      So if Frank Lindsey does not register this year, then he will be put into jail with felony punishment, although his punishment custody ended decades ago. Registration is a duty. That phrase is in Megan’s Law’s website. Duty is a service. They take away an hour or more of my time a year along with compliance checks to wake me up at 6 am or 11 pm.

      See… our forefathers were smart enough to include “involuntary servitude” into the Constitution. In one succinct sentence stating, “Involuntary servitude is prohibited unless to punish a crime.” Thus, if registration is not punishment and a person has finished serving their punishment custody, then any compelled service upon said person is prohibited.

      One sentence destroys registration because it is not punishment!!! Can we use this one sentence to call registration unconstitutional? Also, b/c it’s California, it violates the inalienable right to obtain privacy in its constitution! Which also plays into part of not divulging any information to any entity outside of California, rendering Angel Watch and IML violators of California Constitution.

      grrrrr I’m just so frustrated. I did my time and SERVED. I completed it and awarded the 1203.4. Yet I still have to serve the state for the rest of my life without pay, but with penalty if I choose not to serve the registration duties??? How in the hell is that not involuntary servitude? BTW, Slavery has its own sentence. Thus making it absolutely clear that involuntary servitude is about “compelled or forced service under terrible terms with punishment above losing pay or losing the job (to register ha ha ha ha)”.

      every aspect of registration checks the box for involuntary servitude! and now with the knowledge that japanese internment camps case also used false information to create internment camps, that parallel basis helps registrants! ugh

      i’m out.

      • 72FLH

        New Person > great post ! and thanks for the light on this subject

        • wonderin

          When people like you and I were sentenced to lifetime registration many years ago it carried with it a certain spectrum of shame and discomfort as we went through the booking process on our birthday or when we moved. It also carried with it a misdemeanor punishment for failure to comply as directed.
          Like many others I accepted that mild and occasional hardship as part of my overall sentence and it basically only affected me; But, as we both know, that sentence has increased immeasurably over the years as it tears into our ability to function well within our family and our society.
          What’s even worse is how a mild hardship sentence imposed on us has now morphed into a major human rights issue for our family who never saw it coming and have little chance of escape as they struggle to maintain family values and relationships.
          That once mild and occasional hardship is now punishable as a felony for making a mistake which could force our dependants into dire circumstances.
          I can only take solace in knowing many more people than me and my family have life much worse.
          Yourself for example. I hope things can improve for you and your family as people learn empathy for people struggling to overcome less than perfect lives and childhoods.

      • Timmr

        Can’t anyone challenge the evidence produced in Smith vs. Doe? People get exonerated all the tome for council being inept or evidence being looked at again and be found to be heresay. This decision condemned hundreds of thousands of individuals to adverse government actions on false evidence that if Doe is a convicted sex offender, and the reoffense rate for convicted sex offenders is “frightening and high”, then Doe’s chance of reoffending is also frightening and high. The logic is insupportable in itself, because it doesn’t consider Doe an individual but a class, and the premise itself being false makes the conclusion even more rediculous. The claim is in itself unverifiable. How does one quantify frightening? How does one draw the line when the rate of an incident is high?
        An intelligent government representative will just craft another “formula” to support the idea that registration is not servitude, unless evidence is independently and scientifically verified and basic logic is adhered to.

      • Nicely said....

        short, succinct and to the point with sharpness that a knife would get jealous of…this needs to go forward in the court system, IMO, and be run!

  6. mike r

    so right new…it boggles the mind that there has been no real challenge addressing the false facts and the real issues such as what you have there…the justification for these laws are a real issue along with everything else we all have stated on here…..

    • Joe

      What boggles the mind is that you clearly know EXACTLY what the REAL issue is and what the legal response is to this real issue which is GUARANTEED to bring down the whole scheme – yet you have done nothing to get this done.

      Please, by all means – prove all of us wrong and end sex offender registration in this country. You would be a hero to millions. Until then…

  7. Joe

    1. A FEE is monies I ELECT to pay in return for some benefit or permission to do something.

    (Elect…. as in… if I do not wish to pay the fee for a marriage license, I can elect not to get married. If I do not wish to pay the fee for a contractor license, I can elect not to work as a contractor. If I do not wish to pay the fee for a Driver License, I can elect not to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Heck, if I do not wish to pay taxes I can elect not to generate taxable income, not own real estate or only purchase tax exempt goods).

    2. Having to pay monies as a result of a prior transgression, under the threat of prosecution is a FINE.

    (like the fine for a speeding ticket or court ordered fines at sentencing).

    3. A fine is PUNISHMENT.

    4. Punishment after the fact is EX POST FACTO punishment.

    5. Ex Post Facto Punishment is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    How is that difficult?

    • Nice set of dominoes....

      Like that…..they fall in line as they should in clarity…..easy to understand…..any questions?

    • Timmr

      Yeah, I am wondering when I can choose to not be a sex offender anymore and be done with my service. Selective service ends at 26 years old, for example. This doesn’t have an age limit. I can be be flat in bed tubes running out of my nose and still have to do the service. Apparently it doesn’t have anything to do with how I act. I can do anything and I will still be obligated to do the service of the registrant. Wonder why they wasted everyones time in therapy and structured supervision, trying to correct my behavior in the first place, if they thought I could never be anything but a sex offender?

      • O.A.L.

        I think about that too. ” yes , your honor, I think he has grown from this experience and has done all that is needed to be released from this court. No your honor, he is still a deadly menace though and much be constantly supervised. I know this is hypocritical your honor, but how else can we make a living. We have no one else to hassle.”

      • rick

        To timmr, response to supervised release post above.

        I made that argument in my lawsuit too, lol. I said that since I have no “presumption of innocence”, and I am labeled a danger and likely to reoffend, then I should have been exempt from punishment because they have imposed a mental health designation on me. You know, when so called mentally ill people are considered a danger the designation is not provided to the public. In fact state and mental health laws prohibit it’s release. But sex offenders are subjected to public scrutiny and discrimination even with a criminal mental health label.

        I would appreciate a legal answer to this question, if you are designated dangerous, likely to reoffend, and violent and you commit a crime, wouldn’t it be a mental health defense, since you obviously have been designated as a person who cannot control themselves and that it would negate men’s rea or guilt, see Clark v. Arizona 584 u.s. 735 (mental health evidence is only admissible if used to show that the defendant knew right from wrong). So if you commit an offense, and you claim you were powerless to stop because you didn’t know right from wrong anymore, you cannot be prosecuted criminally. I mean really, the law behind these Sora’s is so absurd, it defies any reasonable explanation. It has made a total and complete mockery of the entire judicial system and they love it. It’s criminal, plain and simple.

        Further, what was the purpose in supervised release, it’s supposed to be for reintegration. And so if you complete it then why do you have to register. Just another irrational part of the entire Sora process. Like I said so many times before, we’re just slaves for their amusement. These judges must go home laughing and snickering, sctewed them again, and again, and again, it has to be their greatest laugh of all time, lol.

        • Timmr

          Yeah, I suppose out of one half of the forked tongue they say we need punishment to teach us right from wrong, and out of the other side of the forked tongue they say we then can’t be left on our own.

  8. From Louisiana this comes....

    I find it interesting that this comes out of LSU School of Law where in the state of Louisiana, it is a rough rough life for the one who is an RC there, but no one seems to care. Kudos to LSU for publishing this in hopes someone in Baton Rogue will read it and maybe make some headway on it. Hopefully they wake up and provide a good intention slush fund to pay for an honest effort as noted since they are supposed to be a big Christian state, but don’t bet on it. They will turn on you faster than a gator getting the bait dangling in front of them.

    • Brian

      It is rough here in La., but it’s rough everywhere. It’s just different.
      Probably the roughest part is the requirement to carry both a drivers license and state issued ID (both emblazoned SEX OFFENDER in orange letters under my photo) and to renew them in person every year–at full cost. Even though its only valid for 1 year, I still pay as though I get 6 years of use, about $80 per year combined.

      • rick

        I haven’t had a driver’s license or state I’d for over 14 years, lol. And I would get one if it said that on it. I would leave state first. And I suppose that’s why they do that in louisiana, hoping you would leave. They might as well just put it on your arm like they did the Jews. Yup, good old nazi doctrine, still around in in a lot of people in this country. And slavery is in their blood, you see all you have to do is see the laws they support to know what kind of crimes they like to commit. Because they are criminals, just legal criminals. You have to understand psychology, it reveals a lot about a person. It can tell you if a person has a fair character, understands the flaws of humanity, or has a character based upon weakness and inequality. Good character means a person who got rich understands that everyone can’t be rich and will try to make things better for the less fortunate, while weak character shows disdain for poor people. They will say things like why can’t they get rich like me, and no one helped me. Some people actually think it is a strength, but not really, it just demonstrates their criminality and hatred.

        I have never met a person who didn’t possess a talent. They may not be able to read or write but they could make you laugh, tell a great story, put things together others couldn’t, etc. That’s why I never judge a book by it’s cover, unless they keep the book closed. When it’s closed, you know their weaknesses, fear of someone for whatever reason, disdain for them, fear they might have better talents than them, etc.

        I’ve heard and seen and done a lot in my lifetime, lots of jobs, overseas, military, college, marriage, kids, sports, and yup prison. I met some pretty good people in there, people I would have no problem hanging out with out here. Saw some messed up stuff in theretoo, but it never happened to me, seemed like the biggest problem was the co’s, some of them were really angry at everyone. But the majority of people I met just wanted to do there time and get out.

        You know what’s weird is that when your in the joint, they don’t publicize your crime publicly. Their policy is not to reveal that to prevent a person from being harassed, or harmed. But, some co’s tell inmates, and now they can find out through the internet at visits. But out here, they want everyone to know, despite the danger of harassment and harm, weird huh. It’s just ironic, that they can get sued in the joint for not providing safety or publicizing a crime, but out here it’s the opposite, lol.

        I mean it’s not enough that you can be found instantly on state conviction sites, but they have to double or triple down on it with a registry and public notification. Man, including all of the administrative stuff involved with these Sora’s it must be costing a fortune, and you know someone is putting the money in their pockets, like usual.

        Yea, the hypocrisy is so obvious that I can only say it’s like wanting to go swimming in a river everyone but you knows is full of sharks, with a sign saying swimming allowed. But in America it could happen. What a world we live in, good luck to us all.

      • The postcard notification though....

        Understand Brian, but it would seem the postcard notification to those around you would end up expensive as has been documented by those who have had to try and do it with limited funds. That could be a lot of postcards to “Dear Resident,……”

        • Compelled or coerced government speech?

          Isn’t the forced announcement to the area around you via postcards compelled or coerced government speech? It is like the sign in the front yard. It would seem so and thus unconstitutional because it is making the RC perform this action, not as a punishment of course as the government would say, but in the name of safety, like the registry. A legal expert should look at that in my opinion.

        • Brian

          “That could be a lot of postcards to ‘Dear Resident,……'”
          Oh, don’t worry… I get to pay Watch Systems to do that for me. Last time (2 years ago) it cost me about $500. Everything hit at once, too: the postcards, the ID and DL ($80 total), the fees for the sheriffs in the parish where I live and the parish where I work ($60 each). I had a good job at the time and could handle it, but don’t anymore.

          Under the law at the time of conviction, I had to register for 15 years, reduced to 10 without a new felony–which would have been third quarter of 2014. But the state bit on the AWA cash cow, and I went from 10 years to 25–until September 2029.

          I know they say “Freedom isn’t free”, but damn!

          Of course, the flag on my driver’s license and ID as well as the postcards are compelled speech and unconstitutional. I’m also banned from social media, with a definition so broad that virtually EVERYTHING is “social networking”. This is patently unconstitutional, even under Louisiana’s law. The Louisiana constitution (Article I, Section 20, second sentence) says “Full rights of citizenship shall be restored upon termination of state and federal supervision following conviction for any offense,” and that “No law shall curtail or restrain the freedom of speech or of the press. Every person may speak, write, and publish his sentiments on any subject, but is responsible for abuse of that freedom.” (Article i, Section 7)

          I’ve contacted the Louisiana ACLU several times with no success.

        • Maybe LSU School of Law?

          Brian – have you looked at LSU School of Law and a student who is willing to work on the case as you outlined? Maybe some student needing to see the big picture and work some law case? Just an idea

  9. rick

    Response to New Person and request for response from Janice B.,
    from Rick

    By the way I tied it into involuntary servitude nearly 2 years ago. In my lawsuit that was denied with prejudice, and the appeal I made but decided not to file a simple document that resulted in its dismissal I chose to do, because I really expected no legitimate response from the 2d circuit u.s. CT. of Appeals since they have denied all petitions involving registration for one stupid reason or another, and I was frustrated.

    But in that case, I used slavery and involuntary servitude as numerous causes of action. If Janice B. Is interested in seeing the extent of the denial of justice in the case, all she needs to do is use her PACER account and look up the case that was denied at the end of April 2016, northern district of new York.

    In that case I argued I was unlawfully in the custody of the NYS Dept. Of Corrections, since the law was implemented as nysdoc sex offender registration. In the custody argument I raised the scrotus case, Hensley v. Municipal Court, 411 U.S. 345, where the court held, “applying that principle, we can only conclude that petitioner is in custody… First he is subject to restraint’s not shared by the public generally” Jones v. Cunning ham, supra 83s.ct at 376. “That is, the obligation to appear ‘at all times and places as ordered by (a)my court or magistrate of competent jurisdiction”. “He cannot come and go as he pleases. His freedom rests in the hands of state judicial officers who may demand his presence at any time with a moment’s notice. Disobedience is itself a criminal offense. The restraint on his liberty is no less severe than the conditions imposed on the unattached reserve officer who we held to be ‘in custody’ in Strati v. Laird, supra, at para 12.

    I don’t think I need to tell you how often you must appear at particular places and times and at any time to comply with most Sora’s. Although the cases above were used for the purposes of establishing whether or not the person could utilize a writ of habeas corpus, in which they could because they were clearly in custody. It is also clear by this standard that all RC’s are in custody as well. We will be in custody for the rest of our lives, whether you are a 1, 2, or 3. Because even if you get off in one state, it doesn’t mean you are free from other states or the federal govt. This slavery is until death.

    I also claimed they had no right to have control over me, and I submitted numerous cases to support it. One in particular was, Fuentes v. Bd. Of Education. Et al. 12 NY.2d 309, 314, 2009, NYS CT. Of Appeals. The NYS CT. of Appeals ruled that under state law a noncustodial parent is not considered a parent during the special education process. The court therefore ruled that a noncustodial parent does not have the right to make decisions for his child unless he is afforded such a right in a custody order. Simply put, you have to get a custody order from a court to make decisions about someone’s life you don’t have custody of. But Sora’s allow these people the right to make us do anything they want based upon some ridiculous ‘duty’ that does not exist, and has never existed, and they claim we are not in custody. If that is the case, then why must we comply. The law clearly states we do not unless they have custody of us.

    The 2d. Cir. U.S. CT. Of Appeals says that a compelling interest allows them to search and seize us anytime they want without a warrant. But in Marshall v.Barlow’s Inc., 436 U.S.307, the U.S. Supreme CT., said, “Even in that context a warrantless search is only reasonable if it meets three criteria, there must be a substantial government interest that informs the regulatory scheme pursuant to which the inspection is made, warrantless inspections must be necessary to further the regulatory scheme, and the scheme, in terms of the certainty and regularity of its application, must provide a constitutionally adequate substitute for a warrant. This means, that with the exception of emergency situations, they must have a court or other legal body providing some form of a warrant or order before they can search or seize us. But instead, they just tell us to appear.

    I also used chapter 77, 18 u.s.c. 1589 FORCED LABOR statute to describe my enslavement and involuntary servitude. The statute states, Whoever knowingly provides or obtains the labor or services of a person by any one of, or by any combination of the following means, 1. By means of force, threats of force, physical restraint, or threats of physical restraint to that person or another person, 2. By means of serious harm or threats of serious harm to that person or another person, 3. By means of abuse of law or legal process, or 4. By means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause the person to believe that, if that person did not perform such labor or services that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint.

    Now after reading just these four cases of support that Sora’s are illegal and don’t realize that we are just slaves, I would be in shock. I used hundreds of these kinds of cases in support, and even though the lower court is supposed to by law go by u.s. supreme court precedent, , they didn’t mention any of them in their response.in fact, the court fought for the two names defendants, who had to make no arguments whatsoever.

    Seriously, when a law is wrong you can find all kinds of legal holes in its ruling and application. I could have destroyed their arguments when I was 12. This so called government by the people and for the people is a sham. All you have to do is look up corruption of judges on Google and YouTube and you will know how it is. It’s disgusting. So yes, involuntary servitude was tried, and completely ignored. All the judge said in the dismissal with prejudice was, “the plaintiff asserts that the NYS Sora is a form of involuntary servitude”. He also tried to claim that I asked for special solitude in my case, even when the entire preliminary order for injunction filed with the complaint used the cases cited above and the slavery and involuntary servitude causes of action.

    It’s clear to me, that if you don’t have a lawyer representing you, you have no chance.i even used more stay, the case you cited above. If you live in Cali ask Janice B. To file a class action lawsuit using the argument. I can’t see why she wouldn’t. She should have run for state Senate, she would get all of our votes.

    • New Person

      Oh wow!

      thanks for the info, Rick!

      I found a some Minnesota Law review that focused on Involuntary Servitude. (That is completely different from slavery and shouldn’t be in the same sentence.)

      The four conditions that the Minnesota review found, through historical cases, are:
      1. The state of the promisee on the contract.
      2. The payment of the service.
      3. The term of the service.
      4. The domination of the primisor over the promisee (by hunting down and returning the promisee to service).

      Now, in California, all we have is lifetime registration. That alone should cause a RED FLAG to go up for condition #3.

      1. There really isn’t a contract. A registration was imposed and attached to a crime.
      2. There are no benefits. (We’re basically serving for FREE not under custody nor punishment.)
      3. LIFETIME TERM. There’s no effing way California can overlook that aspect for involuntary servitude.
      4. The state will hunt me down, punish me (felony punishment/fine), and then return back to service of registering for life.

      That’s the historical test for involuntary servitude under that Minnesota Law Review pdf that I read.

      Another aspect of involuntary servitude is the consequence. Anything above loss of pay or loss of doing the job constitutes involuntary servitude. The state is threatening any registrant that if he or she does not register, then there will be felony punishment for something that is not punishment.

      California Constitution Artile 1, Sec 6 and US Constitution, Amendment 14, both state:

      Sec. 6. Slavery is prohibited. Involuntary servitude is prohibited except to punish crime.

      and

      1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

      2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

      There, both state it clearly. IF THIS IS NOT PUNISHMENT, THEN IT IS PROHIBITED.

      Since I am no longer in custody and have earned my 1203.4 dismissal, why am I subject to more duty when it is not a punishment? Answer: I shouldn’t b/c it’s unconstitutional b/c it’s involuntary servitude.

      There’s your way around punishment!

  10. rick

    If Janice B. Wants a national level media event, I would gladly participate in an assembly in front of the u.s. supreme court in 2017 anytime or day in the summer. Because this is an all or nothing issue. If they want to increase punishment, extend supervised release, oh well. But this registration process has to go. It’s time to go national, period. If the request is made, you will see crap happening. One thing they hate is to be embarrassed and proven wrong. Please consider this Janice, your really our only hope. It’s not about supporting sex acts, It’s about the constitution, and this nation.

  11. rick

    You know, it has become obvious to me that the registry is here to stay for a while. Oh sure, the courts will give some leeway to a lawsuit here and there, but they won’t let this new power go away. Maybe if another supreme court like the Warren Burger and Thurgood Marshall supreme court somehow shows up it might have a chance, but until then I find it highly unlikely. Just ask Janice, I’m sure she tried but no luck.

    I will say this, if anyone ever bothers me again, or threatens me, or puts something in my yard and I find out who they are they will be lucky to walk away alive. I don’t care what these people say about their registries, I have a right to defend myself from predators on my property who put me in fear of my life. Like anyone else, if you are threatening my safety I have the right to destroy you. As far as I am concerned every so called normal American is a threat to my safety, and you can take that to the bank.

  12. Rick

    Ok, I’ve said all I’m going to say about the illegal side of registries. Now I want to talk about alternate solutions. Because, I want to make it clear, I do not support the abuse or harm of people. Even if I am guilty of some, just as is every person in some way, shape, or form.

    People want to feel and believe they are safe from sex offenders of every kind they define as such. So they have created a registration system that essentially enslaves people, and will send them to prison that every other citizen and criminal offender can do freely, and without fear of loss of life, liberty, and property.

    So here’s what you can do legally, 1. increase the duration of punishments. 2. increase terms of supervised release. 3. Maintain their public registry of sex offenders, but eliminate the participation of sex offenders, since conviction sites are also public. 4. Pass a law requiring all persons in the united states to provide DNA samples to prevent any further serial crimes, or limit them as much as possible. 5. Create a public media network that provides awareness of behaviors that may alert people to possible crimes, and to provide information about the laws of the state and to educate the public about the constitution.

    These are some solutions to prevent the violation of human rights, and that will help in the prevention of further harm to our society. If you have better ideas, I would like to hear them, as long as when you are released from your sentencing contract, you are a free person again.

    • Devastated

      I work in Lousy-ana, and they are very harsh in this state. I guess it worked and they accomplished what they want, which is that I live in another state and commute 3 hours to work in the oil industry.

      When I was looking for work, I had to come by and register because I was going to be spending time in a hotel in Lafayette while I was looking around for an opportunity. The deputies mostly treated me humanely, but one detective insisted that if I stayed in a hotel I had to get them to sign a form from the Sheriff’s Office stating they understood I was a sex offender. No hotel, even the sleaziest ones, would accept me.

      So I lived in my car while looking for work. And there’s no shower or changing room in my car to get ready for a job interview. I’m not sure how this made anyone safer.

      But I live in a different state and commute because not only will the sheriff send out notices to everyone within a mile or two, they make YOU pay for it which runs into the $thousands. It seems that this is compulsory speech which is a violation of Amendment One.

      So, they got what they wanted. This dirtbag lives elsewhere yet Lousy-ana gets their taxes from my paycheck.

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