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CA RSOL Meeting in LA January 19 [UPDATED]

Attorney Alex Landon will join California RSOL at its January 19 meeting in Los Angeles. Landon is a distinguished author as well as professor at the University of San Diego School of Law. He is a recognized expert on sex offender laws as is reflected in the book, “A Parallel Universe”, which he co-authored with noted journalist Elaine Halleck. Landon will make a short presentation during the meeting regarding current legal issues that challenge registrants and members of their families as well as describe why he wrote a book about registrants. The meeting with also include updates regarding recent court decisions and pending lawsuits that affect registrants’ rights to enter public places such as parks and libraries as well as private places such as arcades and movie theaters and residency restrictions.

The meeting will begin at 10 a.m. and be held at the ACLU building at 1313 W. 8th Street, Los Angeles. Free underground parking is available to meeting participants.

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  1. Janice Bellucci

    There will be much to discuss and to celebrate at the January meeting. Come join us for a time of sharing information and networking. Meetings are open to registrants, family members and supporters only. No press. No government officials.

  2. leanne

    is there a meeting in san diego? I am a wife of a registered sex offender that lives in san diego. and need help or resources to help me understand everything.

    • Janice Bellucci

      California RSOL met for the first time in San Diego in October. We expect to return in April. The date and location will be on this website soon. In the meantime, please consider joining us in L.A. on January 19.

  3. Sex Offender Issues

    We have created an event for this on Google+ in our new community, so check it our if you are on Google+, here:

    https://plus.google.com/events/cfu8983ruf5g7lmborr5oco74nk?authkey=CKfSk-vf_OKN4wE

  4. Lisa Murphy

    An idea for those that can’t come can we arrange a conference call? Touch base with other groups ?

    • Jeffrey M

      Sure. We could set up a Skype video conference call. It’s easy.
      Put a laptop at the meeting, say in front of the podium, and anyone can view/participate via Skype on their computer with a webcam and microphone…

      goto: http://beta.skype.com/en/ to sign up for Skype. It’s easy. And it’s free!

    • Janice Bellucci

      California RSOL has chosen not to “broadcast” its meetings for at least two reasons. First, we protect the identities of all who attend the meetings and that would not be possible if the meeting was broadcast. Second, we want to make sure that only registrants, family members and supporters particpate in the meetings. If we broadcast them, it is not possible to know who has joined us. If anyone knows of technology that can “solve” these problems, please let me know.

  5. Richard RSO

    If I happen to be in CA on Jan 19 I will be there. As Lisa said, let us know if there is a way to participate or get a summary of the meeting.

  6. JM

    Leanne,

    A few of us are in San Diego, and we have some what of a support group going, for family members of registrants.

    If interested, please post, and I will have Janice send you our email address.

  7. Pam

    I like Lisa’s idea of having conference calls. That way those of us that live far away from the areas where these meetings are held can participate and contribute.

  8. Victoria

    My husband has to register as a sex offender for indecent exposure, something that happened 12 years ago. Will there ever be discussion about repealing the required life time registration for those who made a stupid mistake with no violent intent to harm or touch anyone?

    • Joe

      @Victoria, your husband sounds like he is a prime candidate for a Certificate of Rehabilitation. https://all4consolaws.org/faq/ – #10

    • Janice Bellucci

      A person convicted of a misdemeanor who has no subsequent felony convictions of any kind is eligible to apply for a certificate of rehabilitation after 10 years. Please know however that application does not equal granting. If one is successful in obtaining a certificate, then one will be removed from the registry.

      • td777

        Is anyone ever actually successful? I’ve heard it’s not very likely that one would get granted.

        • Joe

          One should not confuse a Governor’s Pardon with a Certificate of Rehabilitation.

          A Pardon would wipe the slate clean completely and is, as the name implies, completely up to the Governor. To date there seems to be no record of a 290 registrant getting such relief. Zero. Zilch.

          Certificates of Rehabilitation are difficult, but possible to get for some people. They are an option for a very limited number of convicts and the burden of proof of a ‘moral and upstanding life’ is very high. They are entirely up to the Judge’s discretion and typically the DA will object and make a case against it.

          I found the FAQ on this site (#9 and 10) to be of great help. https://all4consolaws.org/faq/

          Some additions to the response above:

          – a person convicted of a felony MAY be relieved of registration if the offense is NOT listed in PC 290.5 (i.e. 311 and 314 are not listed)

          – some felonies CAN be reduced to misdemeanors (PC 17b) if the sentence did not include a prison term (wobbler)

          – while the granting of the COR is entirely up to the Judge’s discretion it is fair to assume that ANY criminal conviction in the past 10 years greatly diminishes or wipes out the chances of getting one. Not just felonies.

          – Time and old age are your friend.

          I am not a lawyer. I have heard it is worth checking into if one might remotely qualify.

        • Fish In A Net

          I am eligible for a Cert of Rehab. But have not filed for a couple of reasons. First I live in Orange County, second it is expensive $5-10k. The Orange County DA does not agree with these requests ever. They “investigate” the individual very agressively. Neighbors are interviewed, employers are contacted, bosses are interviewed, if children are in the home protective services are asked to check things out. So if you are quietly on the list, this could get you off the list but what good does that do now that all your neighbors think of you as a sex offender and you get fired from your job? The general thought is that the OC DA is looking to get a charge (real or not) to then point to. I understand that while Certs of Rehab are not “easy” to get in LA or Riverside they are much more realistic, and by the lawyer qoutes much cheaper. Just thought I would add what I know.

        • Anonymous Nobody

          Fish A Net: You are SO right. The investigation itself is reason enough not to do it. Since applying for a certificate is technically how one applies for a pardon, you are investigated at the level of a pardon.

          Yes, they will contact your neighbors — you know, the ones who did not know your record because you were a misdemeanant so not subject to Internet posting. And your employers, past and present, and lots of others — say goodbye to nay good job reference you might have had, and maybe even to your current job.

          You can or will suffer a search of your premises. All this for a mere misdemeanor! God forbid they should find an old Playboy or something innocuous that you forgot all about 20 years ago.

          All of this defeating the purpose — because it will leave everyone who did not know about you now knowing! It will destroy your job prospects. If you apply, you better also be ready to move, because everyone around where you live will now know.

          The investigation can be worse than the registration! And for a mere misdemeanor. And in the end, there is NO standard to you meet that will entitle you to the relief./ The judge an — and they do — deny you for — well, pretty much capricious reasons. You could be god and still be denied, because even rising to the level of being god, that does not entitle you to the certificate. And all your neighbors now will know. And you will lose your job.

          The standard used to be mere successful completion of probation. 1203.4 relief following probation served to end your duty to register. But they have changed the law — and of course, make the change retroactive.

          And that retroactivity raises another issue. After going through all that bull—- of the investigation, even if you get the certificate, who is to say next year the won’t pass a law saying even a misdemeanant must obtain a pardon in order to stop registering, just like they did to all the people who had met the previous standard of getting 1203.4 relief now find the standard is changed and they must start registering again!

          BTW, did they now change the wait to 10 years? It was 7 years not oh so long ago! I never hard of that being changed to 10. Just a couple years ago it was 7 for a misdemeanor.

        • Joe

          @Anonymous Nobody – do you speak from personal experience?

        • Fish in a Net

          Here is a thought, what if every one of us that was eligible for a Cert filed at the same time? As part of the Cert you give a 30 days notice and even select the initial hearing date at the time you file. If every eligible RSO in Orange County filed a cert at the same time, what message would the OC court system hear? Most lawyers that do these Cert requests have set package. I am a little familiar based on my research. With a little legal advice from a friendly source we may be able to do a little “DIY” workshop (a lawyer is not required to file the request), then we all file at the same time… Keep costs down and give the system notice we are going to push on this. I got the idea from an article I recently read, an activist was asking “What if every accused individual ignored a plea offer and when to trial?” The message to the courts / legislators is “This is an example of what they are currently doing to law enforcement with the current 290 laws. Too many individuals on the list, never getting off the list. The system cannot handle the load. And the public is not served in any way, as any benefit is lost in the mess”.

        • Janice Bellucci

          Yes, I know of a registrant in El Dorado County who was removed from the registry last month. It is difficult but can be done even in a conservative county like El Dorado. The registrant by the way committed a single misdemeanor and live an exemplary life for 16 years.

  9. USA

    I’m glad this is a topic of conversation. I live in the Orange County area as well and actually processed a Certificate of Rehabilitation around 4-5 years ago. First, I filed the motion and OC is terrible. First, they came out to my home around 7pm at night (Investigators) and asked me a few questions. I was honestly caught off guard by there showing up. They began to be a little rude (they didn’t have anything bad to say about me) and I eventually asked them to leave. I later found out they even recorded our conversation? Then, they came out and asked a few neighbors what type of neighbor I was (great).

    Please note that if I’m not mistaken, only a few offenses can now receive a Certificate of Rehabilitation (Sexual Battery or Indecent Exposure). Furthermore, if a Felony, it must be a wobbler and reduced/expunged. This was the case for me. Furthermore, I plead now almost 17-18 years ago and at the time, 12 or so years had passed. In summary, the investigators can’t mention anything about being a sex offender since this is a Non Disclosable Offense. My neighbor asked me what was going on and I simply responded I was applying for a job or ect.

    Anyways, the DA of Orange County was out of control. Rude, arrogant and trying to portray me as something I wasn’t. I received Summary Probation for my crime? In the end, she wanted to put the victim on the bench and cross examine them? The judge told her he didn’t have time for this and he didn’t think anyone else would listen to this as well? When it was all said and done, he looked through the paper work and stated he couldn’t find one reason to deny the motion, but it wasn’t enough? Motion denied. OC doesn’t fight fair and its very disturbing. I have heard that if you reside in LA, its much easier. Good luck.

    I’m not holding out for California to institute a Tier System so I can simply fall off the system. I spent a considerable amount of time in OC researching this, sat in the Court Room, talked to the Public Defenders and even spent some time with the woman who processes these requests. Its hard. I might recommend contacting the Public Defenders Office and asking them about this. Oh, I might ask around regarding Judges as well. When I initially processed this, an Asian Judge was on the stand and seemed to let the DA do whatever she desired. Then, the New Year began and a Judge with the first name starting with B got on the stand and conducted himself in both a very professional and understanding manner. THe DA was out of control. The supposed victim was allowed to almost confront me in the hallway and even make comments to me with the DA’s presence? I found this very disturbing since the alleged victim had been found lying? OC is truly a very disturbing place. Just play by the rules and act professionally at all times. Good luck.

    • Joe

      Thank you for sharing. I was under the impression these Certificates could be had… your story is amazing. What could possibly motivate the DA to go to these lengths to keep someone on this list – after a sentence of probation and over a decade (of probably moral and upstanding living – as required by the COR)?

      Is this good use of tax payer dollars???

  10. USA

    I posted an error above. I’m now awaiting a Tier system that will eventually allows those with minimal offenses to fall off the registry within 10-15 years. I have no doubt this will happen soon/especially with all the silly laws trying to be passed! Not everyone is in the same category.

  11. MM

    Thank you for an informative, energetic and caring meeting this morning! Compared to the last two we attended I can’t believe so many people showed up … If we all keep sharing with those around us on how these laws affect the lives of registrants …. Maybe, just maybe the voice of the unpopular will finally be heard. Thank you Janice & the TEAM!

  12. Troy H

    I was wondering if by chance there will be a meeting in riverside,ca if so please email me and let me know , because i have some very big conserns on my case. i was convicted of a crime i didn’t do and i have tryed to talk to many people to see if they would give me some answers to the questions i had and it was no use, they just gave me the run around and i feel before i go to the press i would like the answers to the questions i have … so if anyone can help me out in this matter please contact me asap,,, i think if some one who is a attorney would be stuned at what i have to show them ,,, and also if there is a attorney out there who would take my case on a pro bono i would sure make it worth there while once i get a civile case over with … 🙂

  13. saxxxx

    Is there a resource or can we start one such as a database or links to laws and facts in other countries that could help facilitate leaving the US permanently?

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