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Green Notice: Interpol’s paedophile tracking system ‘compromised by privacy concerns’ following Edward Snowden spying revelations

The global system designed to track paedophiles is failing as nations refuse to share information following the Edward Snowden spying revelations, child protection experts have warned.

Suspicions of government “snooping” and potential privacy breaches have meant that countries have proved unwilling to hold and disseminate information on known and dangerous child abusers. Full Article

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  1. Katharine

    I doubt personal privacy issues are the only thing holding up the creation of SO registries in many of these countries. There are at least two other good reasons they may not want one. The first is monetary; it’s expensive to set up a registry and keep it current. They may simply have other things they’d rather do with their money. The second is that it only takes about five minutes of internet research on the US registry to see that it doesn’t work. It doesn’t reduce the incidence of new sex crimes. It doesn’t adequately target those who commit sex crimes. (Even with 800,000 people on the US registry, the vast majority of sex crimes are committed by people not on registries.) And, at least with a public registry, vigilante action by the public is a very real phenomenon, up to and including the murder of registrants and their family members. So, sure, they may have a more robust view of personal privacy protection than our government, but they also may ask, why spend money to waste money on something that doesn’t work and puts more people in danger than it saves from danger?

    • ab

      Let’s add a third reason: not every country views sexual misconduct in the same way. Some things are legal in the United States that aren’t legal elsewhere and vise versa. Despite supposedly international efforts to combat sexual exploitation, trafficking, abuse, and slavery there is no global consensus on what behaviors are inappropriate. Here in the United States a child is anyone under eighteen, in other places it is younger and in some countries way younger. Russia for example permits any person sixteen years or older to not only have sex, but appear in pornography. Logistically it’s not just about being weary of security breaches or privacy issues, it’s about a difference in determining who is or isn’t a predator.

      Very few cultures, if any condone sexual intercourse between a pubescent or post pubescent person and a prepubescent person. Though I doubt many known sexual predators are traveling enough to be of any threat. I suspect the real threats are not known by governments and continue operating in the shadows while expendable/compartmentalized third parties do most of the dirty work/heavy lifting leaving little or no trail back to the puppet master(s). Chances are some of the grand orchestras are merely providing the pickup, transport, and drop off services for others. Maybe snowden has shown the intelligence community that its not what is known that should cause concern, but what is unknown.

  2. Anonymous Nobody

    I note, this is a British report, and Britain has been in fanatic, severely hyped up frenzy about sex offenders for some time now. This report is simply feeding into that and distorted accordingly.

    For one thing, the supposed “global system designed to track pedophiles” apparently is not distinguishing pedophiles from any other sex offender — because, as is clear in the US, cracking down on pedophiles is not really what it is all about.

    All non-pedophile registrants in the US who have tried to travel overseas since last December can tell you so, as they apparently are all getting turned away at the border of the country to which they are traveling because of the information the US is sending ahead of them to the destination country — even if their offense had nothing to do with children, might even have been a misdemeanor, and might be ancient, might be decades old.

    From at least one report here at CA RSOL, the US is simply sending a notice something to the effect: convicted sex offender traveling to your country with the intent to abuse children. This apparently is what is being sent for any registrant, even if their offense was simply indecent exposure from 30 years ago. If the destination country is receiving information that you are a pedophile and actually intending to abuse children in the host country, how can they possibly consider letting you in — they apparently are not being told your actual offense, when it occurred, what your age was at that time (as in the comments above and lower ages for various offenses in the country to which you are traveling) or anything else that might lower the fear level!?

    Why are they even telling anything about registrants when they are not doing the same for people people of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, murder, car jacking, armed robbery and an assortment of other violent offenses? Is it really more important to make sure the world knows someone wagged his weenie 30 years ago, do not let him in, than to tele l;them about brutality, murder, aggravated assault, and other dangerous offenses from more recent years?

    Why is the US sending such information even if it is for offenses that the federal government does not even require registration, such as indecent exposure and other misdemeanor and many low level felonies or most offenses after 10 years?

    Civil rights activists and those defending registrants issues are wildly dropping the ball — again — in not going full throttal against this information the US is sending and that it is sending any information at all. They dropped the ball in the mid-1990s when they did nothing to fight registration when they should have sought to nip it in the bud, and they are doing it again now in not fighting tooth and nail against this advance of the Dark Ages from spreading across the world.

  3. Tired of hiding

    The United States government is actively at war with a segment of the American population namely registered sex offenders. We registered sex offenders are being PUNISHED for actually following the absurd list of added punishments to the letter by providing the government with our information.

    The government is handing this information to foreign countries that we are legally trying to visit and part of the pursuit of happiness (travel and seeing the world that we have a human right to explore just like anyone else)!

    The US government is betraying our cooperation with their endless punishment. I am seriously thinking of NOT registering next year and waiting to be arrested. Perhaps then I could get a lawyer interested in helping to change this cruel and unusual punishment!

    • Timmr

      Amazing. You can’t get help through using this site. Something smells off. You and Bruce there on another post, who has proof of his innocence, he can’t get anyone interested? This is a registrant advocacy site. Where else do you go?

      • Tired of hiding

        Where else indeed…that is the question.

        Seems like there is no interest in seeing actual justice done. I am seriously thinking of contacting some investigative journalist who could help to expose the lack of opportunities for those who got caught up in the system and railroaded along…I would THINK that if nothing else a reporter would take it for a “human interest” piece which would at least get exposure – NOT only for those who are innocent BUT to expose the blatant abuse of the system against those very people who are trying their best to simply comply with it and the ever increasing complexity of the requirements place on us each year!

        A civilized society can not simply just “throw away” nearly 1,000,000 of it’s citizens!

        • Timmr

          I had a reporter mentioned she would take down my story, but really, I haven’t been adversely affected by all this as glaringly as many of you. No offense, but not as good a story as loosing $6000 because your government has slapped a label on you or having trouble looking into proof of innocence. Haven’t heard from her since, but I did hear she was being threatened for some of the articles she did. If anything else, I think these are stories of interest, and amazed that some professional with real journalistic curiosity would take the time to investigate. That’s their role as the forth estate of government, even though they personally don’t like us shouldn’t get in the way of exposing truth. Guess I need to get realistic.

      • Joe

        What kind of help do you envision getting on this registrant advocacy site? Free legal representation to the tune of thousands, tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars? Doubt it.

        A place to share experiences? Check. Connect with others in the same boat? Check. Non-professional advice? Check. Here is mine. Hire an attorney. Find others on this site and pool your resources. Can’t find an expert? I am guessing that there are no experts. All this is brand new and super secret. I am willing to bet that pretty much any attorney’s interest can be piqued with the appropriate fee. It is what they do for a living.

        • Tired of hiding

          It’s people like you who have kept things in the shadows for so long…people who refuse to say “this is not right and I am not going to take it anymore”.

          Of course, only those who are naive think that lawyers work for nothing. I am also assuming that you know that a lawyer or firm usually has multiple cases going on and that no one is asking for someone to dedicate their entire life or time to one case!

          It is also clear that there actually ARE those lawyers who do work pro bono and/or simply take on cases to test, challenge, and ultimately CHANGE the legal system.

          THAT my brother is what I am hoping to find! I hope it is clear for you now…as I stated this endlessly before.

          Someone who is actually interested in justice and is willing to take some of their valuable time to do what so few in the legal “profession” are willing to do…TRY TO MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE!

        • Joe

          If it is your contention that being a realist makes me part of the problem so be it. This is not the place for fighting or finger pointing.

          Best of luck to you, and do keep us posted.

  4. Robert

    The security and prevention offered here is an illusion. This is nothing more than the classic argument for the advancement of the preventive state – we must move from reacting to sexual violence to a proactive, preemptive, preventive mode. It is not Snowden who has caused the distrust.

    The preventive state promulgated by the United States in dealing with terrorists after 9/11 that the rest of world is struggling with, already exists through the registry for registered citizens. Many in the world are smarter than the mentality in America to know that it is a common mistake to assume that a Muslim is a terrorist because they Muslim, or that certain ethnic groups are criminals because of their ethnic or religious background.

    We are dealing with humans here – the species with free will and the proven ability to always change our minds even if planning or possessing to the ability to commit a heinous act. The right for every citizen to be safe from governmental intercedence should be fundamental as the expectation of civil liberty and the “idea” of innocent until proven guilty. For registered citizens, these fundamental presumptions no longer exist.

    Legislation and laws must deal with facts not predictions. Trying to punish someone for what they might do will always leave room for mistakes. Jurisprudence cannot be created to fit the profile of all people because there is no way one can tell accurately what a person might or might not do. To believe that criminals and sexual predators must be disabled before they can strike is a faulty concept.

    The American people and the courts need to catch up with reality and get thinking about the future of jurisprudence in regards to individual rights. The legal system needs to catch up with what is already being done to sex offenders as citizens. The courts don’t know how to react, many just sit back and let the government do what it will, and be silent.

  5. B

    Ernie Allen, some sort of sex abuse expert said, “You lose some of your civil rights when convicted of crimes against a child.” I have an Article 5 problem with this. I certainly understand that our civil rights have been degraded, though illegally. We have many civil rights guaranteed by the Constitution and the Constitution defines how government goes about eliminating those rights: Article 5 defines how to amend the constitution. Our constitutional rights are not degraded by laws or statutes; not by initiatives; not by some fool like Ernie Allen. They may legally be degraded by amending the constitution. They haven’t done that (yet).

    • Timmr

      Besides prohibition, which was repealed, I don’t know of any Amendment that didn’t extend rights to more people. Of course, after this country swallowed the post 911 poison, and became ethically ill, who knows what will be vomited out of this nation’s political bowels.

    • Tired of hiding

      I don’t think that there is anything “special” about crimes against children at all and once a person has paid the “debt to society” then they are free. Someone needs to remind these people how our legal system works because they have forgotten. EVERY AMERICAN deserves a second chance – PERIOD!

      To say otherwise is to be anti-American. These useless anti-American politicians should be immediately thrown out of office to dereliction of their sworn duty!

      If someone kills with premeditation then that is something else…hardly comparable to some sex crime! These people who think otherwise really need a major reality check! They have children on the brain and perhaps THEY are the ones with the “problem” with this obsession of theirs.

    • Robert

      B, I too have wondered which rights Mr. Ernie Allen considers forfeited by registered citizens. It is seriously wrong that only 4 countries of over 100+ are the only ones doing this to their own citizens. The US appears to be leading with over 1700 notifications to 100 countries. Quite notable, is the claim “but it was not clear if countries acted on the information.” Meaning that the US government can only confirm that they sent these notifications but have no idea or has any system in place to know what happened to these US citizens after sending such harmful information on their own citizens to foreign governments. I seriously think the US government is on uncharted grounds with this notification/ instant deportation program, there are so many unconstitutional issues going on here.

    • Joe

      When you commit a crime you may lose certain civil rights for a certain period of time.

      You may lose your freedom for a period of time, as defined by the judge, you may lose your protection against warrantless search & seizure if on probation or parole, if your offense was at the felony level you will lose your second amendment rights (I never did understand why stealing something or writing a bad check causes you to lose your ability to ever again go hunting for the rest of your life, but I am not a gun fan and there are way too many of those and way too many people with them and I am still upset about Bambi’s mother, so oh well), in some states you will lose the right to vote for the rest of your life (I found out about that one fairly recently and was shocked!).

      These losses of rights are either temporary and inflicted by a judge, or outright unconstitutional (like felony disenfranchisement).

      The thought that you would lose, for the rest of your life, your Constitutional Rights because legislators or Ernie Allen decide it to be so and Joe Sixpack concurs is just bizarre.

  6. steve

    This past weekend I traveled to Ohio with my daughter to visit a college. On BOTH flights departing and coming home my daughter and I were both “chosen” for additional security checks. The TSA said “wow I’ve never seen two people traveling together get chosen for the additional check”. Makes me think that they are doing a little check even on domestic flights.
    The check was for bomb making material on my suitcase and my hands. The TSA guy had no idea why we were chosen.

  7. David

    I fly regularly to the Midwest from SoCal and have never received any heightened TSA scrutiny.
    I last traveled to France in 2005 (a few years after my release from incarceration) and, again, I received no heightened scrutiny at departures or arrivals.
    Apparently, that may change next time I travel internationally.
    Whatever happens next time, I’ll report my experiences on this website so others can use the info.

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