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CA Sex Offender Management Board Releases New Statistics, Discusses Tiered Registry Bill

The California Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB) released new statistics regarding registrants during its regularly scheduled monthly meeting on October 20. In addition, the board discussed a tiered registry bill expected to be introduced in the state legislature in early 2017.

The total number of registrants is 104,369 according to CASOMB. Of that total, there are 16,294 in violation (about 16 percent) of registration laws. The total number of registrants who register as transients is 6,444 and of that total there are 1,575 (about 24 percent) in violation of registration laws. The total number of registrants on parole who are required to wear GPS units is 5,769 and of that total there are 5,505 registrants in counseling.

CASOMB stated it will sponsor a tiered registry bill in 2017 and the language of that bill is “set in stone”, according to Chairman Nancy O’Malley (also the District Attorney of Alameda County). The bill, if passed, would create three tiers that will allow some, but not all, registrants to terminate their registration requirements in either 10 or 20 years depending upon several factors.

The tiered registry bill would also provide for the “automatic” termination of registration requirements for registrants convicted before 1987 provided that they have not been convicted of a subsequent sex offense. CASOMB estimates that this provision would apply to about 10,500 registrants.

Individuals convicted in 1987 or later may or may not be eligible for termination of their registration requirements. For those determined eligible, they will be required to submit a “petition for removal” to the state court in the county in which they reside.

The first step in the legislative process leading to a tiered registry is an informational hearing expected to be held in December 2016. During that hearing, a video produced by CASOMB will be shown to state legislators.

Despite discussion of a tiered registry bill during the meeting, CASOMB refused to provide copies of that bill to the public.

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Pre 1987….Yeah! Maybe I won’t have to die to get off the registry if I can make it till then. Sorry to sound so selfish but I mostly want it for my young child who may be an innocent victim of the online shaming.

Great for you.

I was convicted in 1987. Crud.

A real bummer which reminds me of the TV episode where Magnum PI is waiting in a long line at the bank and when he finally reaches the front they close the teller’s cage. Everyone behind him rushes to the next teller and he’s forced to the back of the line again.
It was funny because it simulates how unfair life can be even for the good guys.
From reading your previous posts it seems obvious that you will readily be approved for removal and your petition should fly right though.
Assuming of course that this recommendation is made law.

What we need is to help the 120 members of the state legislature understand that we registrants are not without resources and have the ability to effect elections and change on the ground around the state. That is where I/we come in…I find viable candidates that are reasonable towards our cause and support them into office by harnessing local salons and barbershops and using social media to impact elections in the local communities on the ground. We are new at this but we are also focused. We have over 100,000 members and a list given to us to recruit from!!!… Read more »

I missed that episode of Magnum P.I. but it goes to show we can all feel like that at some point in our lives. Sometimes it’s extremely frustrating, but in the grand scheme of things, trivial, like the line at the bank, or has lifelong inplicatioms, like sickness or the registry.
Thank you for the mind words. From your keyboard to God’s ear.

maybe they could make it a rolling 30 year window.

NO! 30 years is WAY too long, do not ever say anything to support 30 years for ANY registrant. But don’t forget, that window even is the same for misdemeanants! This is a VERY devious proposal on a number of fronts, and that is only one of them. I thought how they might have chosen that number, and I realized something, something I had spoken about here many times in the past: 30 years ago is just about the very time they stopped allowing people to stop registration upon getting a 1203.4 expungement. That used to be the standard, not… Read more »

I don’t think it’s selfish to want to look out for your family, I’m in the same boat, especially when every tier proposal so far would have me registering for life because I was railroaded on a second case in which I didn’t do what I was accused of doing, and both cases were internet stings with fictional victims. All the while, my child has grown up without me in the home and my wife and I have had to deal with all the other repercussions of my registration. Until I see one which at least gives me a chance… Read more »

Those noncompliance rates seem like awfully inflated figures. As far as this “tiered” registration bill, something doesn’t seem right. Why would CASOMB “refuse” to release a copy of its proposal that is “set in stone?” CASOMB is a public agency that should be open to public transparency. Just exactly what is CASOMB hiding? I thought CASOMB was supposed to be our friend. Regardless, I remain opposed to any “tiered” registration scheme.

Pure government like speech for “we’re about to screw you”.

Sounds more like “we want no comments or public discussion of this, like what Congress did with IML” so we can ramrod (or screw you as stated above) it without due process and diligence.

Apparently, we are not worthy of public comment, not is our input worthy of consideration. Yet another confirmation of of “second citizen” status.

Exactly my thoughts. This tiered registry phoney baloney scheme has lots of parallels to how IML was dishonestly passed through “voice vote.” As far as a tiering scheme, the 17 year (offense-free) max registration argument seems fair. At least it will be 17 years MAX to everyone. Maybe less to others. Not a stupid 10, 20 and 30 yr scheme (in which most of us will probably fall into the 20 or 30 year scam). But whatever registration period: it does not obviate the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE showing “sex offender” registration in preventing recidivism in the first… Read more »

We should NEVER let CASOMB control any bill that is entered. Don’t forget, what they say is “set in stone,” well, they have ZERO say over it, they can’t introduce any bill whatsoever in the Legislature, only a legislator can, and the Legislature will decide what is or isn’t set in stone. That comment of “set in stone” is a very scary showing of a very bad attitude; they seem to think they are dictators. Yes, the reality is that someone will carry the “set in stone” bill CASOMB proposes and be too much of a wimp to consider changing… Read more »

While CASOMB may not be made up of “bleeding hearts” — a description used by a committee legislator and too often thrown around in the ACSOL meetings in effort to make us follow the kool aid — remember that it (CASOMB) is made up of about a dozen police, prosecutors, and pseudo psychologists. For me, this is good enough reason as to *NOT* trust CASOMB. Because as we all know, if there is anyone we should trust: it should be police, prosecutors, and pseudo shrinks (/sarcasm).

here’s the thing in my view–any bill that introduces a tiered system serves to mitigate our current standing. No public debate could be possibly because they know any bill to mitigate our standing would be unpopular and they just maybe are attempting to avoid controversy–a first, I know! The fact that they’d dismiss any pre 1987 is a victory in itself! Now we could argue that for many of us that goes too far back and many of us later should be included. Get real: how much risk is a disabled man of 61 years of age who got caught… Read more »

Makes me wonder what forces in ACSOL push to align support for CASOMB and its phony baloney tiered registration. CASOMB is corrupt. And their “tier” will hurt more people than help. Watch and see.

Since it’s currently lifetime registry in California, I don’t think any tiered registry can hurt us any more than we’ve already been hurt. That said, I’m still opposed.

Where can I find a report or meeting minutes containing CASOMB’s new statistics?

I looked on their website and no such link can be found, this isn’t classified material they are discussing here. They are subject to the Brown Act the open meeting law, they are a public board, and there are only certain exclusions for closed meetings.

Timmr, is this the same proposal CASOMB created in 2014?

Haven’t seen the new report.

According to CASOMB, “Our meeting minutes require Board approval and will not be available until after our next Board meeting on November 17, 2016.”

That’s legitimate, but where do you find them after that?

Good luck getting any new “reports” and/or “minutes” from CASOMB. CASOMB will flout (as it has in past) public records laws. Don’t understand why ACSOL would want to put CASOMB in good light… when CASOMB and its board members are complete scum bags. (I saw the scam artist Tom Tobin’s name on CASOMB’s board roster, so it’s safe to infer that CASOMB is a fraud.)

The California sex offender management board, lol. You mean the California slavery and misinformation association. Wow, you have a legal group of slave owners and bosses? Your state is a shining example of corruption, first class discrimination. Hope the droughts and earthquakes don’t drive you away, stay there and reap what you sow. Wow.

Remember Swartzeneggar? It is his creation. Their reports have some helpful information favorable to us, but being a political body, and one com posed mainly of law enforcement, there seems to be a disconnect between those report findings favorableto us and their recommendations. The discussion of the CASOMB tiering report and proposal on this site highlighted many of the disconnects.

Well, bear in mind that the members of CASOMB have their Prison Guard Union and their police officers’ unions to please. Easing any of the restrictions on us may reduce prison inmate numbers or reduce the number of police officers needed to vigilantly monitor us very scary sex offenders. The fewer of us on the Registry, the fewer cops needed to knock on our doors and harass us!

You hit the nail on the head.

most of the law enforcement types dont scare me as much as the dude with investments in therapy clinics–money is our worst enemy. Honestly I think even law enforcement is sick of this crap!

The ones with a for profit motive and the sociopath prosecutors are who to fear!

RE: Post 1987 RCs.

A petition for removal for those who are eligible is required? Even for those who would be tier 1? So that means we don’t automatically fall off? And that petition can potentially still be denied?

Looks like I’ll still be filing a CoR in 2020 for removal. I don’t trust CASOMB’s recommendation especially since they refuse to publicly release copies of the bill.

Ironically 1987 seems to coincide with around the AWA’s 27 year thing! everyone is getting their ducks aligned–they see the courts leaning against them in recent years along with the shear numbers they have created along with family members! I smell change! it may not be as soon as I want it but I believe it’s coming!

As with everything, the devil is in the details. Absent more of those, this is what I am reading… (a) registrants can petition for removal after either a 10 or 20 year period, depending on factors to be announced later. (b) for those not eligible for (a) there would be automatic registration termination IF not convicted of a subsequent sex offense in the past 30 years (2017-1987=30). They must be referring to a running 30 year period as it makes no sense to automatically terminate someone convicted in December 1986 but not someone convicted in January 1987. While the above… Read more »

I believe your statement parallels with what the CASOMB purposed previously. “POSSIBILITY of getting off after 10 or 20 years, but 30 years is the max for non-recidivists.” It would make no sense to let someone off because of a pre 1987 conviction and for someone (me for instance) with a 1988 conviction, expunged in 1995, never on Megan’s website etc. to remain for life and also, could have even been a lessor offense.

I think when the CASOMB states “set in stone” they will not let any legislator F_ _ _ with the bill.

Not knowing any of your specifics…. if you are required to register but not on the Megans Law web site, then there are two scenarios I can think of. 1. you were convicted of a misdemeanor (i.e. Indecent Exposure or Misd. Sexual Battery), or Child Annoyance and got the web site exclusion. I would imagine such a person with a misdemeanor conviction would be eligible for the 10 / 20 year petition process. 10 more likely. 2. you were convicted of a felony and qualified for the exclusion from the web site. Your conviction will not be one that is… Read more »

GRR
just curious why does someone like yourself feel as though you have a sex-offender requirement or label you must carry with you? if you’re as clean as stated, I personally wouldn’t think 2 seconds of sex offender issue with regard to myself. And F the federal government who never communicated to me in any way whatsoever of it’s thoughts on the matter. I’d feel accountable to no one!

Basically, because I still have to register. after 29 years of this, I’ve become paranoid all the time.

I know a tier systems is not justice but in my opinion its a step in the right direction.

I am against the registry, but I didn’t used to be. Over the last few years, it has really caused me some serious headaches, undue stress and serious hardships. Since those troubles, I’ve come to accept many peoples’ believe that the registry must come down. The very premise of the registry was well intentioned when it was first implemented, but it has been allowed and used as a tool of continuous and ever increasing punishment system. It is relentless in it’s nature. Thus, my stance that if someone is “dangerous”, they shouldn’t even be out. Clearly, the laws give X… Read more »

I’m just waiting to see when they will pass a house arrest legislative bill, forbidding us to leave our homes without permission, lol. They really enjoy this pass a law addiction, and the judges enjoy reading all of the lurid details of sex offenses. They get off on it, I think that’s why they love the registry. It satisfies their sadistic addictions. Its odd, they not only work for the state, but for agencies of the state as well. In my state they work for the state and the Dept. Of Corrections. I think this is legally impossible. A state… Read more »

Hey you know this thing about house arrest, the police here in California want you to think it is already law. These compliance guys here want you to tell them whenever you leave the house for a night, or answer the phone when they call, or they warn, “we might just do an audit and find you not there.” They want that to sound ominous, so that those will submit, who don’t know the law. Isn’t that true, any California registrants chime in? Have you experienced something similar?

To Timmr

You have compliance laws that permit people to come to your house. You mean while on parole or probation, or to any RC? Wow that’s crazy, California really is something, illegals have more rights, lol.

There is no law that specifies it. Suprised? They just do it. They set up a force involving several departments and go around and check to see if registrants are in their homes. As long as there is registry, there is license to do anything to registrants. They must be told to make contact, not just to see if you live where you say. They could do that simply by seeing me drive into and out of my driveway, but I see them parked and waiting for an opportunity to make contact. Please protect yourselves and avoid them as much… Read more »

The only situation I had similar to that was when I was on probation and my probation officer forbade me to leave my house on Halloween between the hours of sunset and 7 am. To me that amounted to de facto incarceration. If he could pick the arbitrary date of Oct. 31 why not just tell me I couldn’t leave the house on other dates as well? It seemed illegal to me.

I have not been issued any type of threat like that when our enemies conducted their Home Verification Raids upon me and my family. The raids are intimidating and they conduct themselves in a threatening posture, particularly the marshals. The locals are not too bad, but the State and Fed enemies seem quite full of themselves. The enemy has never called me except to reschedule the photo shoot of my new car once. It was an old car and it stopped running two days before the photo shoot and I left a message to reschedule and the enemy called me… Read more »

TIMMR, I spoke with ya once in email…. Im off this CRAP parole… putting up/in a RING doorbell… If this goon squad comes by Ill see them on video and will tell them to LEAVE. I spoke with Janice about this once, she said DONT Answer door turn up your music (LOL) (someone on last conf call brought this up off topic).. HOPEFULLY Janice will make this a conf call as to WHAT to DO AFTER PROB/PAROLE…. DO NOT COMPLY WITH COMPLIANCE CHECKS… it is NOT 290 LAW in CA. IT IS ILLEGAL !!! I dont believe they have ANY… Read more »

I’m the same way about email. Since they already had one email and phone number on file, I don’t bother telling them all the others I use in ecommerce. It’s none of their business and the law does not require that I do. I also don’t tell them all the places I “frequent” when they ask because it’s not required by law.

“I worry though that someone getting off the registry would go out and commit a horrid sex crime only to have it revealed he/she was taken off the registry.” So do I. That is the mentality today. But when we get to the point we have real working and humane solutions to prevent sex crimes, people will stop thinking of the registry as a cure, but a hinderance , a diversion, an anachronism. It will be like blaming the lack of stocks and pillaries and a ‘T ‘ branded on his hand for a convict being able to steal a… Read more »

Timmr, I agree. I’ve had these jack-hole cops phone me at work saying that they have visited my house several times (read: once) and I am never home (M-F, 8:00 a.m. – 6:00 p.m. clearly indicated in my files as my work hours). They then either want me to drive home immediately to meet them because they are waiting at my door or they ask me to meet me at the house at 6:00 p.m., then they never bother to show up! Oh, and they have also stopped at my neighbor’s house and asked my neighbors to phone me! Nazi… Read more »

Nicholas wrote: ” I’m afraid that I won’t be able to get off the registry even after petitioning since at the time of my sentencing, the registry was considered “lifetime” and I had to acknowledge this fact before the Judge would accept a plea deal. Could they use that to prevent me from successfully petitioning the courts? That’s assuming I would even be allowed to petition the courts. ” California Constitution Article 1, Section 6: “Slavery is prohibited. Involuntary servitude is prohibited unless to punish a crime.” Point 1. Registration is not punishment. This point initiates the Involuntary servitude. Point… Read more »

THANK YOU!!!!

Nicholas Maietta

When I accepted my situation the registry was a CD ROM largely for police use. I too dont really have a problem with what I signed up for. And as far as I’m concerned that can continue forever. There were no websites or exclusion zones nor was it impossible to get a home to rent or a job! But as you stated it’s gone too far!

You’re right, the restrictions escalated after 9-11, a year after my sentencing. At worst the registry was an anonymous dot on a map, a general location and not a name or face. One could take your children to school, see their plays, etc., cops didn’t notify everone when you moved into a neighborhood unless you were of the very few that had the SVP designation. Indeed, now I look back on my probation officer as my friend, someone who wanted to help me succeed, not fail at every turn. I never thought I would say that. Then, truly, your own… Read more »

There needs to be a way for everyone to be able to get off this thing. No body should be punished for life just because some one thinks you could commet another crime. Even a SVP should have a way out. Maybe if we can petition the court’s . 10 years is fine for low risk, 20 years seem good for medium to high risk, and 30 for all the rest. At least give us a chance , if we commet another crime then by all means have life to register. I don’t under stand them saying if your crime… Read more »

My question would be when does the clock start ticking, from the time of your sentence or after you complete it?

I don’t think anyone needs to get all up in arms just yet. This boondoggle has a LONG ways to go. First, a lawmaker has to carry to bill (CASOMB can’t introduce a bill on their own). Then the committees get involved. Then it moves amongst the Senate and Assembly. And all along the way, everyone gets their chance to amend it. Maybe, eventually, possibly, but not probably, something lands on the Governor’s desk. And maybe, just MAYBE, he may sign it. Or not. The point is, absolutely NOTHING is in concrete. Not until the Governor signs something (if it… Read more »

Paul, it may not be in concrete, but it is set in stone (according to the CASOMB chairwoman).

Nothing is set in stone until the governor signs a bill. That also means that this group will have a chance to weigh in and lobby for amendments.

If the casomb and CDCR are so confident with the static 99R scam, how about they let all the “low risks” off right away? Oh, probably because the static 99R scam is not accurate enough.

That’s a very good question!

Especially when you layer the less than 1% recidivism rates, why have low levels on any registry?

It’s a monetary thing – job security for CASOMB and the cops.

What statute exist that first did not reside somewhere set in stone? What they need to say is that this Bill (whatever it is) is a stone fixed until we take a chisel to it to fashion out a reasonable object. In response to that stone we should sharpen our chisels and have them ready to work.

Will the Static-99R scam be incorporated into this fictitious “tiered” registry?

Take a look at who is on CASOMB: http://www.casomb.org/index.cfm?pid=1235 I count two prosecutors, five law enforcement (police, CDCR, probation), and three pseudo psychologists financed by the state and/or law enforcement. Arguably, 10 of the 13 current board members — or about 77% — of the California Sex Offender Management Board have a conflict-of-interest when it comes to determining laws that oppress individuals labeled a “Registered Sex Offender.” – The prosecutors have a motive in keeping harsh sex offender laws (increased funding, more jobs to help grow their organization, political popularity for their organizations). – Law enforcement have a clear motive… Read more »

That lack of transparency by an official body of government is censorship. They, CASOMB, carry with them statistical facts that any registrant can use in a court of law as well as any registrant can defer onto others, including the media, as a legal proven source. I recently tried to look for the recidivism rates and the trends on their website, but couldn’t find any. I just rely on what Janice reports here on this site. How can I link those stats anywhere if CASOMB isn’t listing those facts. CASOMB works for me since I do pay taxes. I want… Read more »

new Person: ” Is there a way Janice can get a FOIA request and we have those two charts made available on this site with links to CASOMB as the statistical body of reference? This way, I can write to media who continue to say, “these types of people have the highest rates of recidivism.'” no there is no way to get the information to be made public because to do so would mean to admit to the injustice and misdeeds they have inflicted upon maybe millions of people; because it would mean tearing down a system which now the… Read more »

I agree it is conflict of interest, just as if the board that regulates insurance rates is composed of a majority of insurance executives. Also, there is only one member of the “public” on that board from what I remember.

Best news I’ve heard in many years , The pendulem is actualy swinging our way.
Thanks Janace !

I tend to believe there will be more convolution to this fictitious tier than the tax code. Especially if they incorporate the Static 99R scam to determine the tiers. It was mentioned that the Static scam was never intended for individualized assessment, but for “triage of prison populations.” Let’s watch as California will be the first state to use the Static 99 scam in a way it was never intended to be used. Because according to the baffoons that want the Static scams used: non contact offenders will get higher scores (presumably leading to longer registration periods) than violent offenders.… Read more »

The question i have at this moment is what could this organization mobilize us to do to have an influence on this proposed tier system and the way it operates????

Hmm, maybe connect with those who want funding for education, for the environment, for health care, there is a long list of ways the money wasted on monitoring registrants can be spent, how about actully spend it on the kids’ welfare for a change? — but just going up before politicians and saying I think I should be off the registry is a questionable strategy.

I opposed this tiered system when CASOMB has empirically supported that the recidivism rate is below 1% for two consecutive years and no other set of convicts or ex-convicts do not share the same consequence? The automatic drop off is 30 years. The petition is 10 and 20 years. The only difference between what is current now and this proposed system is 30 years. That’s 30 years of service to the state of California. That’s longer than many careers! I am no longer a convict since I earned my 1203.4, correct? CASOMB has proven the recidivism rates for the past… Read more »

There is a strong argument to make that anyone who has lived “in the community” for 17 years and has not committed a subsequent sex offense should be removed from the registry. That argument is based upon the results of many decades of research conducted by Dr. Karl Hanson who is recognized as “a” if not “the” expert on this topic. If that argument were adopted, no one would be required to file a petition for removal from the registry and instead removal would be automatic. The results of Dr. Hanson’s research were included in the CASOMB report about the… Read more »

Janice, I hope your 17 year offense-free argument prevails. (Most would likely agree that 30 years is still too excessive.)

Yea and then once dropped off you will have to figure out every other states registry if you travel and then there is sorna. It would be good only for that particular state…right?

And strong thanks for your comment Janice Bellucci.
Very much an important element of argument & strong point.
After seventeen years tooooo many…People Need to be OFF this registry automatically.

WHAT ABOUT OFFENDERS THAT HAVE MOVED OUT OF STATE. WE CANNOT BE ROEMOVED IF WE LIVE IN FLORIDA UNTIL LAWS CHANGE IN CALIFORNIA. FLORIDA MAKES EVERYONE REGISTER FOR LIFE AND WILL NOT LET ANYONE OFF WHO HAS TO REGISTER IN ANOTHER STATE. IF YOU DONT HAVE TO REGISTER IN ANOTHER STATE, YOU DONT HAVE TO REGISTER IN FLORIDA. WHAT ARGUEMENT DO WE HAVE. IM SURE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MOVED BACK TO THEIR HOME STATE AFTER TROUBLE IN CALIFORNIA. PLEASE CLARIFY.

I think it will be the same as obtaining a certificate of rehabilitation which states you must live in California 5 years prior to submitting for a COR.

IT REALLY DOESNT MAKE ANY SINCE TO HAVE TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA FOR 5 YEARS TO GET OFF OF THE REGISTRY BECAUSE OTHER STATES WILL MAKE YOU CONTINUE TO REGISTER BASED ON A CALIFORNIA CRIME. THEY WILL KEEP YOU ON THE REGISTRY AS LONG AS CALIFORNIA SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO REGISTER. THIS SHOULD BE RETROACTIVE FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE MOVED TO OTHER STATES AS WELL.

But what do the numbers show when broken down by type of crime? If 17 years is the average of all sex crimes before being as much a threat as any citizen, but specifically violent sex crimes against strangers takes them 25 or 30 years until they are as much a threat as a normal citizen, then wouldn’t that prove the need for a tiered registry with the lower end getting 10 years and the upper end getting essentially life? I can see where these numbers should come out to definitely be better than the current situation, but how do… Read more »

Chris F wrote” If 17 years is the average of all sex crimes before being as much a threat as any citizen, but specifically violent sex crimes against strangers takes them 25 or 30 years until they are as much…’ I think the statistic stated refers to 17 years being the maximum time it takes for even a so-called high risk sex offender to be at the same risk of offense as someone in the general public. High risk offenders or level-3’s, those classified by the Static-99 as such, are at the same risk after 17 years as non-registrants of… Read more »

The 17-year term makes the most sense. But it might be too honest and straight-forward for the many dishonest crooks in government.

I hope you can get them to adopt a 17-year maximum registration period. If not, President Trump will fix this mess.

(I was not serious about the Trump comment, BTW.)

Yes 17 years makes sense, but then 0 years makes sense also, because they can’t prove the registry reduces recidivism at any year. Or can they? I’m not up on the studies there. If the registry doesn’t reduce recidivism, what rational basis is there for it? Think of some other way. But it definately doesn’t make sense to apply it after the recidivism rate is at that of the general population.

Janice, CASOMB stated it is “set in stone”.

This is a dictatorship that disregards their own research work with statistics that reveal less than 1% recidivism rates.

They really don’t care for our opinions nor their findings.

Janice, so the tiered registry, that they want to introduce in early 2017, is the same as the one they
created in april 2014?

There is a problem with having low recidivism rates over a recent period of time. It’s what keeps these sociopaths in business and in power: they will merely use that information to state how effective sex offender management has been.

Nothing is as it appears! America the world’s greatest experiment of why the human race could only be at its worst under any circumstance

1985 Felony, waiting to have a life back that was gone during my latent teenage years(My Boyfriend, that I am STILL friends with, he is now straight and married with children). Thanks SCOTUS for CONTINUAL PUNISHMENT, may since Scalia passed we will get an educated Democrat and RC’s will all get a chance to hold a job, a home (even the new builders ask have you EVER been convicted), residency stay., and poss. off the iinternet in part, atleast MLS, not the housing for sale site. National AND State. They (SCOTUS) needs to REVISIT how RC’s are treated and REALIZE… Read more »

Good Point New Person and David and David H.
Maybe more qualified people will come to work on the CASOMB.
It’s just better than what we have at this writ.
It STILL needs reform AND actual rehab besides charging for Counseling/Therapy (Group or not).
This is not the end with this Tiered System upcoming, just a step above current, that’s all.

Let’s see after their Nov. meet what the minutes from Oct 20th really state before jumping the gun.

I’m pretty sure part of what the 6th circuit decision was that they couldn’t go back and re-classify, change sor’s tiers after the fact. As I have said before California already has a “system” that people are placed in. Low risk, serious offender (probably most of us) and svp. There is no doubt they will try to create new restrictions for the higher tiers which is bs and why many here are against the tier registry. Ohio also had the same issue and court ruled they couldn’t change the tiers.

Last meeting someone brought up a point that the max registration period should be 17 years for someone who remains offense free during that time. Why have 20 and 30 year levels? Max should be 17… maybe 20 if it makes the crooked politicians and the phony hacks at casomb feel better about themselves.

I think the major stumbling block for the tiered registry will be that people just don’t understand science, that it is not absolute truth, but proportional. Absolute truth is belief and untestable. If they find one example of a registrant getting off the registry and commiting a crime it will cast doubt on the 17 year guideline. A little doubt invalidates belief. It is the snow ball in Congress or the 110 year old cigar smoking whiskey drinker to prove that global warming is a hoax or that smoking is harmless. Take away that security blanket of absolute belief, people… Read more »

I live in a state that has a tiered system, it’s about as flawed as it gets. The whole system is broken, no matter how it’s managed. There is no need to discuss it as an option, since you are never off it no matter what. It affects you everywhere you travel. I suppose it would be nice for those who get level 1, but 2 and 3 are literally indistinguishable. In my state you face multiple stages of threat right from the beginning. First you get convicted, then before you get out you face a civil detention hearing with… Read more »

CASOMB made the same recommendation a couple of years ago and nothing happened. My hopes are not up.

where are our civil rights leaders???? what are they waiting for?????who are these others that janice talked about????why isn’t the justification for these laws being challenged????how come our civil rights leaders aren’t challenging the courts in every case to justify these laws?????

To which civil rights leaders do you refer? Classical “civil rights” leaders have no interest in touching this issue as it is not profitable to do so either financially or politically. Most civil right leaders fight for issues where victims rights are infringed upon through no choice or fault of their own (such as race and sexual orientation). Since all of us classified as SO’s or on a SOR got here by breaking a law in some way, they believe our rights were forfeit.

Whom – just WHOM are you speaking of? What ‘civil rights leaders’? What ‘our’? You want someone to fight for your rights? Fight for your civil rights? These angels exist. They are called attorneys. Their services can be retained. For a fee. Because like you, they have to make a living. You have not hired such person? THAT is how the violations of your civil rights are not challenged. No other reason. The only people who OWE you anything are your elected officials. The government. The ‘enemy’. So pleeeease… let’s get over the notion that any volunteer ‘owes’ you, and… Read more »

A positive thing, the CASOMB is not made up with RC lovers and/or advocates and the information that they are sending out is a serious poke in the eye of the status quo. There is a rule what trends in California, trends in the rest of the Country.

I would disagree w/ your comment that “poke in the eye of status quo.” A bit of a naive comment considering that CASOMB will not publically release details w/ regard to its tiered proposal scam. I don’t know how CASOMB is “poking” the “status quo” by thinking it is somehow exempt from transparency. Remember, CASOMB is the same phony/corrupt government agency that wants to continue registration when no academic data show registration schemes as preventing recidivism. So CASOMB is not making its policy recommendation on science, as they claim. CASOMB makes its POLITICAL recommendations to support the not-so-clear agenda of… Read more »

I think this is wonderful news. We all must remain confident! My only concern is, what’s the petition princess? Is it similar to a Certificate of Rehabitatiom? Or, is it black and white (no arrests/10-20 years passed/granted). I attempted to obtain a 15 year old (expunged battery/summary probation/model citizen) and the DA of OC made me out like this case was murder etc.

For the love of God – will you stop with the ‘battery’ bit? A conviction for ‘battery’ does not require registration as a sex offender. Can we please call it what it is? ‘Sexual Battery’. And if I recall correctly, you were pleased to report that you also got a 17(b) reduction with your 1203.4 dismissal (which you can also put in your pipe and smoke). So ‘Felony Sexual Battery’ it is. As long as I have been on this site – probably 4 years now – you have expressed your belief that the registry is legitimate and that many… Read more »

I live in a state with a tiered system. I’m torn on the issue. I can’t really sit here and say with a straight face that I do not support it since I’m a level 1. I’m off of it in a year, I knew when this process started that I would have a light at the end of the tunnel but so did people in New York who had to register for 10 years and than 20. I’m never really confident that even if when I’m done registering that somehow the government won’t change the rules. But knowing that… Read more »

Moderator, please start monitoring the comments better. Joe, I was unaware you controlled the comments. People aren’t interested in your poorly constructed comments. You sound very angry. As noted, has anyone got off the registry via a tiered system? Thank you

I looked at the 2014 tiered proposal and can anyone explain what this means:
“The above criteria would be applied to all current PC290 Registrants as well as to individuals convicted of a registrable offense going forward.”? would this be retroactive or would have to start fresh?

That comment means the law will apply to current and future offenders

From Michigan case regarding new tier levels.

“The court said a registry that does not include individual risk assessment cannot meet the state’s professed goals of public safety.”

After giving consideration and thought to this information we have so far on the tier proposal, I have come to a conclusion. I will wholeheartedly oppose this proposal, this is evil, this is a diversion. This was written by the prosecutors, and that shows at every turn, at every detail. Yes, the prosecutors are the ones writing this — even their attitude — this is set in stone — reeks of the wrong, bad attitude, that of a prosecutor (and dictator). The people proposing this are NOT our friends — too many people at this site seem to think they… Read more »

I won’t take the time to comment on each of your paragraphs, as most of it seems to be stemming from your own made up guesses and opinions of how it will play out and really just come off as anger and stubbornness. Am I correct in assuming that a tiered system won’t likely benefit you? Because it seems that most of the people that argue against a tiered system are the ones who won’t benefit from it. Well, for some of us, it would be of benefit. As of now, we’re all stuck for life as registrants in CA,… Read more »

G12

The problem is, as we have seen thoughout the entire country, is that MORE people get screwed (placed in a higher tier) then it helps. So, great for you (and maybe even me) but it’s not worth the risk to me to be seen as a tier 3 when I am not.

So, you’d rather be a lifer on the list, with no end in site than take your chances of being labeled a tier 1 or 2 and get off within 20 years? I respect your choice in that, but I’d rather take my chances of getting off. Now, if you were to tell me that the whole RSO thing is becoming old news and there may be reason to believe they’ll do away with the registries, then I’d prefer that route. But that isn’t the case…at least not right now.

Chances are very high the tier registry will help a small percentage while the rest get screwed and become a HUGE target because they have now been labeled a tier 3 with additional penalties neighbors and friends will go crazy because all this time you were never considered dangerous ..hence a shit storm. I’ve been through too many already and finally have some quiet. If it is done were people get evaluated first then I might have a different attitude. if you are a repeat offender tier 3 is probably where you belong but one time offenders should be given… Read more »

I agree with Steve. I don’t like tiered registry either. Sometimes I think it is better if California’s registry just becomes so bloated that there becomes so many sex offenders that we become a protected class… just like LGBT, disabled, etc. At least in this regard we can continue to fight for OUR civil rights as a whole and prove that the “sex offender” label has been foolish all along. When more and more Californians are labeled ‘sex offender,’ it becomes less of a big deal to the public. And it also increases our political (voting) power to regain a… Read more »

I understand your stance on it and reasoning behind it. However, what that means is that people who would actually benefit and come off the list, would then have to continue suffering so that there’s a hope later that it actually has the effect that you’re describing. For someone who won’t benefit and come off the list, it sounds more appealing to keep everyone on, but to someone who can benefit, why wouldn’t they want to take advantage and be free’d from it? There won’t be an agreement across the board, because some will benefit and some won’t. I’m merely… Read more »

I don’t agree with you. Obviously, you don’t understand how advocating for a “tiered registry” may hurt — more than help — in the long-run. The mere fact that CASOMB’s Nancy O’Malley is not allowing the public privy to the tiered proposal is one red flag that ought to tell us that there may be something wrong with what they (the government) want passed. Whoever is left on any “tiered” registry will just seem high-risk when they are probably not. I don’t know how that helps the cause to help labeled “sex offenders” as a whole.

That’s fine, you don’t have to agree with my opinion of it. But, don’t act as though you have more knowledge on the matter than I do because you disagree with me. It’s not “obvious” that I don’t understand…It’s more like, right now this would be the only option available. (If it even goes that far) First of all, none of us know what writing is in the proposed tiered system. It’s very possible that I could not agree with it once I see the details. Or, you could find yourself agreeing with it. Nobody knows at this point. However,… Read more »

BTW, Neil…how can you make a statement such as, “Whoever is left on any “tiered” registry will just seem high-risk when they are probably not.”? I would be willing to bet that a lot of people that are left on it are left because they are specifically high risk. I’m not talking about the people who are unfairly rated on the static 99 test. There are plenty of people registered who committed horrific crimes and are very high risk.

There are also many people who are labeled “high-risk” and they are not high risk. That is what a tiered registry exposes many people to. How are you so certain that you, me, or anyone else for that matter will not end up in the 2nd or 3rd tier level? In the 6th Circuit case, most of the Plaintiffs were placed in the higher, most “dangerous” tier level when it was clear the Plaintiffs were not at all ‘dangerous.’ Nor were they even high risk. BTW, has anyone every defined “high risk?” It sure sounds ominous; but I suspect there… Read more »

I agree, some are labeled incorrectly. The system is setup unfairly. But, what you’re arguing is that those who actually would benefit and come off the list, should “take one for the team” and instead of standing behind the proposed system and coming off the list, they continue on as a RSO and continue to have their lives ruined repeatedly. If someone could see the future and see how that would play out, perhaps it might be easier to do. But, with no end in sight to this horrendous label, I for one, would take my chances and hope that… Read more »

I haven’t seen a definition of risk, either. I am wondering if it is the propensity to commit more crime or is it the repugnance people feel for the crime that was committed. If the latter, is the risk greater because it shocks the conscience more? The risk is viewed as proportional to the level of fear and disgust people feel about the crime. Both views have been presented in this forum, and the latter is irrational, since there is no way to quantify peoples fear and disgust. Doubtful there is any reliable way to quantify propensity to commit a… Read more »

Excellent points, Timmr!

I think we know the real answers to those questions. It’s all mindless savagery masked in the cloak of rationality and justice.

To Timmr I’m sure you are familiar with the saying, once an animal tastes blood, it won’t stop looking for it. This is the foundation of static determinations. They also do not consider the effect of punishment in regard to risk. I’ve always argued that the state receives the benefit of both a punishment and a mental health determination through an SO conviction, but only the punishment is legally recognized. It’s magic law, as I’ve said numerous times. And even when you receive a positive determination from a psyche evaluation it is given no weight. End result, static evaluations are… Read more »

Sorry to say I didn’t care about losing my freedom because I had gotten to the point I valued so little of it and myself and had broken the threads that held me to those around me. Years in prison isolated from everyone? Heck, I had already created a prison of my own in my own mind. It was not much of a factor. Simply stated, the crime woke me up to my stale attitude, and I decided I didn’t want any part of hurting anyone. They could have locked me in a concrete box or put me in a… Read more »

I’ve known three men who were designated “SVP” for the purposes of keeping them locked up in California’s “Coalinga State Hospital.” None of those three are violent in any way in which the term is commonly used. They were not even accused in the original criminal complaints used to convict them of having committed violence or using coercion in the commission of their crimes. That’s because the only criminal offense necessary to categorize someone as SVP today is that the victim had been under fourteen years of age. That’s it. Sure, actual violence or coercion can also be used to… Read more »

It’s clear G12 has not read the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeal’s Doe v. Snyder opinion. Because had he read it, he would have read that there were many (not just a “few”) citizens stuck at the highest lifetime registration tier when they were not at all “very high risk.” So G12, other than the fact that you’re a gambling man, what makes you think California’s tiered registry will be any different? In fact, name one state with a tier that has had good results. The way I look at, tiered registration just puts us a step closer to… Read more »

Lester ~ So now, to discredit my opinion, you’re going to misquote me? Show me where I ever said there would only be a “few” people who are labeled incorrectly. I never said that, so don’t misquote me. I do understand the problems with how people are mislabeled, as should have been clear in my actual previous statement, “I agree, some are labeled incorrectly. The system is setup unfairly.” That surely doesn’t equate to me saying only a “few” people are mislabeled. I also don’t appreciate being made to not have any knowledge of what’s going on, as your comment… Read more »

To G12

I suppose I would have to agree with you to some degree in your opinion. Relief for some is better than relief for none! Makes sense in a sort of win-loss analysis and I can’t really argue with it, but it still stinks to high heaven. And all of their stats are nonsense.

Rick…I agree completely. I think the whole registry is a terrible idea and nobody should have to suffer from it. Like I originally said, if someone is that bad of a threat, they shouldn’t be set free to begin with. It’s punishing someone who’s already served their debt to society. With that said, whoever can get themselves free from it, should be allowed to do so without having to be told they’re wrong or made to feel bad about it.

G12, You say our objection to a tiered registry “seems to be stemming from [our] own made up guesses and opinions of how it will play out and really just come off as anger and stubbornness.” Really? Ironically, your support FOR a tiered registration seems to “stem” from “your own made up guesses and opinions.” Specifically, how unreasonable is it for one to object to a tiered registry when CASOMB — and CASOMB leader Nancy O’Malley — has failed to release the details of their tiered registry bill? It should be an obligation for a government agency to be transparent… Read more »

Freedom~ You must not have read everything I wrote, because if you did, you’d notice I’m not being hypocritical at all. I never said I agree with the proposal that’s already set in stone. I specifically made the comment, “First of all, none of us know what writing is in the proposed tiered system. It’s very possible that I could not agree with it once I see the details. Or, you could find yourself agreeing with it. Nobody knows at this point.” In principal, I agree to a tiered system, because right now, that’s all there would be to give… Read more »

Freedom, you have a point. I thought of this. The government always has a problem with nuance and complexity. The bureaucracy would find it more difficult to manage a tiered registry than a one size fits all. Not only that but it could spawn lawsuits. Misdemenors getting off for crimes very similar to one that are felonies and end you up on tier 3, especially factoring in the Static 99. Then, something may happen like on Michigan, the changes amount to after the fact punishment for some who have there lives changed by the new order. We don’t know how,… Read more »

It seems Anonymous Nobody is saying we shouldn’t just accept whatever they throw at us, but look at it critically and have some strong proposals of our own. I agree. I think it is dangerous to think in binary terms. Kill the registry or nothing. Accept this tiered registry or nothing. It would be great if we could at least advocate for getting people off the registry, especially the public registry, while making sure those that remain don’t become fair game, now that they are considered “the worst of the worst” and now the state can do anything it wants… Read more »

And i would be getting off next year. But who knows if that is the same proposal. I’m guessing that was a template.

If that is the proposal, it would definately be for my good. For the greater good, I would first get nearly all off the public registry, because the public shame list has the most evidence going against it. It just foments disorder and puts people’s lives at risk. A civilized society does not encourage vigilantes. If it can’t be shown to prevent even a repeat offender from repeating, it is a waste of the people’s resources.

I appreciate your response, because most of the people who argue the point, seem to want everyone to stay on the list if it doesn’t help themselves. I will also repeat what I have twice already…I understand that the proposed system could be terrible once we see the details. But it could also turn out to be the most reasonable progress that we’ve seen or will see anytime soon and that’s what I’m staying optimistic about. I don’t fault anyone for their own opinion, but I am against someone saying that we should all just stay on it to help… Read more »

G12, I hate to pick on you again. But you say: “I don’t see how anyone can argue why someone with a less severe crime shouldn’t be given lesser time, so to speak.” *IF* the tiered registry proposal incorporates the Static 99R scam, the Static 99R scam scores “non-contact” sex offenses with greater severity. See Question 7: http://www.static99.org/pdfdocs/static-99rcodingform.pdf So logically, you’d have people with (generally) less severe ‘non-contact’ crimes with higher static scam scores. And following this logical inference, you’d have a disproportionate amount of ‘non-contact’ offenders stuck at the higher tier levels (and thus, presumably longer — perhaps lifetime… Read more »

Freedom ~ I already acknowledged in one of my other posts that there will be some that are scored unfairly. I do understand that. Heck, I could be one of those people for all I know. But my position is that because there’s no end in site for this registry, we might as well accept some progress in the right direction rather than nothing at all. Let’s face it, California is one of the strictest states with RSO’s and for them to (IF they do) accept a tiered system, then that’s a huge step in the right direction. Even if… Read more »

You’ve thrown a lot of words at this but, frankly, I’m underwhelmed at your level of understanding of the fundamental issues. I will just say this: there are legitimate reasons for supporting a “Tiered” Registry but you haven’t made a very good argument for them. For the record, I am deeply ambivalent about a tiered registry and would see it as far less than ideal but consider that it may be a legitimate transitional phase on the road to complete abolition of the obligation of registration as well as the maintenance of a list of degraded citizens, in any form,… Read more »

I’d like to clarify what I mean when I say that “a” (i.e. one form of a) tiered registry might be acceptable and, while it’s not the one likely to be enacted in California: The tiers would not be based upon Static 99 or R (which are, after all, wholly inappropriate for this use [or any other, for that matter]) but on the length of time crime-free in the community, preferably without regard to the original offense, although that would probably be asking too much. It would let everyone off the Registry after (the shortest time achievable) being offense-free. That… Read more »

It also has the distinct advantage of not throwing anyone under the bus and ‘dividing and conquering.’

It also gives something that the present system is in great deficit, a reward for being good citizens.

The primary issue here is that we are approaching this in a very negligent manner. WE are being unbelievably negligent about this! We are letting the enemy, the prosecutors, write the proposal rather than writing one ourselves to challenge their proposal! We are never going to get a decent proposal from the prosecutors! We are looking at taking any piece of garbage they propose and supporting it like a bunch of mindless cheerleaders, even as they set it up with checkpoints that have nothing to do with relief, are only in there to try to nab anyone they can for… Read more »

I like the “cheerleader” analogy, Anonymous Nobody. Because that’s precisely how too many of us are treating the upcoming fictitious “tiered” registry. Cheering for any change at all. Many are so eager for tiered registration because maybe of fatigue of having been on the registry for too long. But like “Obamacare,” I think many of us will end up disappointed. Just like how many of us voted for Obama with “hope” that he would “change” things. In the end, we got shafted when Obama signed laws like International Megan’s Law. Now he supports Hillary Clinton — whose husband signed the… Read more »

I agree w/ “Anonymous Nobody.” Just to add: the tiered proposal, in my opinion, is nothing but a law designed to “divide and conquer” our civil rights goals. The way I see it, the government creates “tiered” schemes in effort to keep us from uniting toward doing away w/ registration schemes altogether when they show no empirical value.

The value would be for people who would actually be able to get off the list over a given period of time. As it stands right now, everyone is a lifetime registrant, here in CA, at least.

G12, we are going to get only ONE crack at this. IF we don’t get it right, that’s tough, we will suffer under that wrong plan forever more. If we get the Legislators to do this once, its incredibly naive to think they will ever touch it again in our lifetimes — really. This is the ONLY increment we will ever get on this. WE make the third rail of politics that Social Security is look like childs play. They are NOT going to ever touch it again if they do it this one time. And again, we aren’t even… Read more »

Hi Art. I want to say that you might have a valid theory regarding the divide and conquer strategy. The one time I spent a year in jail/prison for my only crime, they had us segregated into different races like it was the 1950s. Whites couldn’t help blacks, asians, latinos, etc. So instead of fighting the corrupt Los Angeles Sheriff Department’s practices, we were all distracted with tension and drama amongst ourselves. Blacks vs. white vs. mexican. I hear it is the same in General Population prison. I always suspected that the legalized segregation was something furthered by the jails… Read more »

My significant other and I are concerned w/ regard to how much of the Static 99R scam will be used into this very questionable “tiered” registry. If the science says 17 years should be the max period, then why does the corrupt CASOMB want otherwise? Especially when no academic evidence show sex offense registries preventing recidivism in the first-place!!!!

The Michigan decision states the tiers and registration does nothing. Conflate that with CASOMB’s finding of under 1% re-offense rates, then something smells awfully fishy here! That’s what I would counter with CASOMB and wonder if they believe in their own stats b/c apparently, they’re using some other stats to come up with their own tiered system. Again, this is the akin the Static 99 scam. If you’re high risk, you get penalized more. If you score low that by law you are not allowed to be put on a website, but you still get lifetime registration makes absolutely no… Read more »

Cindy, exactly! These tier lengths are insane! “Science” says recidivism drops to a very low level for any offense, sex or otherwise, by the five-year mark — that’s why a COR is at the five-year mark for most offenses — but not sex offenses, because hype and BS and prejudice decided to take them out of the 5-year time frame for a COR back in the 1980s! Gee, we are talking of 10 years as the minimum for even the most minor of misdemeanors now — and fools here are cheering it on! We should be fighting for much shorter… Read more »

G12: I also happen to be a minority of us that think a tiered registration bill is foolish. It does nothing than perpetuates the idea that sex registries are effective when they do nothing but create unneeded fear, suffering, homelessness and unemployment after a person has paid a sentence. G12, you say: “I would be willing to bet that a lot of people that are left on it are left because they are specifically high risk.” G12, what facts do you make your “bet” on? Have YOU read the tiered proposal? G12, how do YOU know the tiered registry bill… Read more »

Toby ~ First of all, let me start by saying, I’m against a sex offender registry, period. My stance isn’t to create a tiered system, but keep the registry for some people. I think it should be gone for everyone. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with it. Because of that, anything that they’re willing to push our way that might change that lifetime status to something less, I’m willing to give it a look and support it if it looks like it might be of benefit. I’m not trying to recite facts as far as high risk offenders being left on the… Read more »

G12… you are under the impression that “high risk sex offenders” deserve to be subjected to Megan’s Law/290? What evidence do you have that shows Megan’s Law reducing or preventing crime? Do you also understand that even so-called high risk sex offenders are generally not likely to sexually reoffend? In California, the “high risk” Static 99R label is only about 20 percent accurate WITHIN a five-year period. After five-years, at 10 years, the dubious ‘high risk’ label is only about 5 percent accurate. Then at 17 years — at least for a high risk sex offender who remains offense free… Read more »

Jonathan ~

What are you going on about and why are you posting those stats towards me? Show me where I’ve ever said that I agree that anybody should be on a registry. In fact, I’ve clearly said, in more than one of my posts, that I don’t think there should be a registry and nobody should be subjected to it. I love how you all keep misquoting me simply because I’m open to the idea of a tiered registry when it differs from your opinions.

So a few benefit, while the rest that remain are targeted as more “dangerous?” No thanks G12. Just say NO to a tiered proposal.

This will be my last post on this subject. It’s clear that when you have a minority opinion on this site, that you get misquoted and attacked for not agreeing with the rest. I’ve been a RSO for almost 19 years now, and have endured many of the hardships and shame that go along with it, so I have every bit the same right to my opinions as any of you. I have the right to be open to any proposal that may allow me to go from being a lifetime registrant to coming off the list. Because it seems… Read more »

Nobody is attacking you they are just offering their opinion of your opinion. Seemed like a civil discussion to me.

To G12

Good points and don’t let criticism stop you, that’s what debate is all about even when you are misquoted, misunderstood, or just being picked on.

I just come here, occasionally, to see if I still need to register. 🙂

Please keep posting. I appreciate you and your thoughts. This site has so much emotion built right into it. We all have our own hells that we live every day. This is the only place i can come and feel psrt of a family. Families argue, and they also love. I use the support and kbowledge of you veterans of this fight to keep me alive. Please don’t let me go.

Never let anyone interfere with you stating your opinion.

As long as you stay civil, screw anyone that tries to mistreat you or cause you to want to leave.

Silence and stealing our voice and opinions is exactly what our opposition is trying to do. We don’t need that going on between us here. If you can’t keep your backbone intact here, then you won’t have a chance outside our virtual walls, so keep posting!

Except that no one IS interfering with G12 and his/her right to voice an opinion.

No one is silencing G12 nor attempting to steal his/her voice.

Let’s not turn this into a trigger-free “safe” space. This is a forum for the serious discussion of real and contentious issues. People get to say things and others get to respond to their words. Get used to people disagreeing with you. It will never be otherwise.

No one is saying that you don’t have the right to speak. Why are you suggesting that we have? We’re engaging with your words, some of which seem to contradict one another but which includes: “I don’t think any of us would need facts to agree that true rapists and child molesters or repeat offenders would be considered high risk and therefore left on the list.”

Your right to speak does not mean that you have a right to not have your words criticized.

G12, You started your posts to “Anonymous Nobody” with the following response: “I won’t take the time to comment on each of your paragraphs, as most of it seems to be stemming from your own made up guesses and opinions of how it will play out and really just come off as anger and stubbornness.” Then you take the ivory tower position of haughty preacher and say things like: “I don’t appreciate being misquoted nor attacked for my opinions. It’s an open forum so we’re all given the right to our own opinions and beliefs. If you don’t agree with… Read more »

To G12: the ‘minority opinion’ actually seems to be opposing a tiered registry bill. When I went to an acsol meeting, everyone clapped for the tiered bill like a bunch of starry-eyed fans cheering at a Justin Bieber concert (or a bunch of over-idealistic college students from 8 years ago HOPING that Barack Obama will CHANGE things back in 2008). That is even though NO ONE knows the specifics in the tiered registry bill. So people were essentially cheering for a tiered bill no one knew the specifics to. A strange thing happens on this website though. On this website,… Read more »

I favor a tiered registry because at least it’s a start. It is as if we are trying to attack and dismantle a great wall: we remove one brick at a time, if necessary. And we have to stop the bricklayers at their work. And we have to shut down the manufacturers of mortar. We have to battle this Jessica/ Adam/Megan/Registry on every front that we can.

There are different dynamics in a group and in an anonymous forum like this. Meetings tend to function generally like cheerleading sessions, it is a leader’s platform to inspire, raise awareness and donations. These online forums attract those who are more likely to analyse stuff — sometimes ad nauseum — and need time and space and lack of distractions to do that, but it is means for individuals who are more critical and whose voices are often drowned out in a crowd to find a voice.

“… and the language of that bill is ‘set in stone.’”

Absolutely nothing is set in stone.

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“Lester A.,” above, said: “The way I look at, tiered registration just puts us a step closer to being an Adam Walsh Act state… which would not be good.” This is a very troubling point. So let’s say our state legislature passes whatever “tiered” bill that partitions labeled “sex offenders” into three levels (which is exactly what the Adam Walsh Act does!). Assuming the ‘tiered’ registry passes, how far-fetched would it be to expect that the next logical step for California to take would be to introduce legislation making California an Adam Walsh Act state? The way I see it,… Read more »

Tobin’s Tools 2.0: Ba-da-bing! Exactly what NV is fighting tooth and nail right now. AWA moves thousands from tier 1 to tier 3. As a tier 3….AWA has no provision whatsoever to be removed from a lifetime on the list. Now in NV the tier 1 & 2 citizens are allowed to petition the courts for removal at an semi-acceptable term . Personally, I feel “Removal” should be automatic. They have your records. They can easily see you have been offense free and compliant. However, under AWA, the retroactive punishment is multiplied. So unconstitutional to retroactively continue to add new… Read more »

Interesting. So a tiered registration bill might be setting us up to be an Adam Walsh Act state? The theory would seem to be the next logical step, as prerequisite to becoming an Adam Walsh state, a tiered system is required. By the way… Adam Walsh states require lifetime registration every 90 DAYS for “Tier 3” offenders … and registration every 6 months for “Tier 2” offenders. So if CA were ever to become an Adam Walsh state, it would TRULY make our current yearly registration system look more like membership at ‘Price Club.’

Actually as long as you a life time state you already are compliant with adam walsh act. there doesnt have to be tiers becouse you excède what they want.

I don’t know if what you are saying is true. But for sure, ALL Adam Walsh tiered states requires registration every 90 days. I used to live in Adam Walsh tiered states. That means going to police station every 3 months to register. When I moved to CA, I was relieved to learn only once a year registration.

Under AWA….If I recall correctly, for transient it’s every 30 days you must check in. Tier 1 once per year.
Tier 2 at 6 months, and yes, Tier 3 every 90 days. What an absolute pain in the A**. If that was agreed as part of your Plea Deal, then so be it. It sure wasn’t part of mine. Registration needs to GO AWAY.

This is why the 6th circuit ruled it unconstituional. Those that rare registry lovers claim we are on the list and we got our due process at the time of our conviction. Changing people’s tiers and assigning a level of dangerousness after the fact is unconstitutional. So says the 6th.

Well, I’m not sure what to say. I will admit, many of you write some very long responses/I’ve lost interest. As noted, everyone clearly hates being on the registry. Although, there are some of us who have been on for years and for some minor offenses that have long ago been expunged. We have elderly on the registry/first time offenders and people who have gone on to lead stellar lives! I totally concur with no one liking the registry/including myself. Although, if anyone opposes the tiered system, they are either high risk/repeat offenders or newly put on the registry! You… Read more »

Apparently you’ve missed quite a history about tiering, how they tier, how it fits with the AWA. Low level tiers are bumped to the highest. There’s also history of adding another decade to your low level tier as they did in NY when the first decade expired. The big picture you’re missing is by allowing tiering, then you’re allowing registration to be legal when it is not. Registrant are being segregated like no other groups. This is unconstitutional. Registration is a cruel and unusual punishment. But it isn’t called punishment, therefore it cannot be. So what can it be if… Read more »

No I’m hearing it is a hostage situation to him. And who can argue with that. Negotiate with the kidnappers to get someone off, anyone, someone like “me, look I’m not like these other guys.” It’s like getting the woman and children, the old and the mentally feeble out the door first, and letting the tougher ones remain. Those clever fakers, too, slip out. But who can blame them for wanting to.
It’s not like getting everyone out of the back of the bus, this is a system for assigning seating arrangements.

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